Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Thelonious Monk

Again, with China, this whole thing is a global issue. Because we are a small country doesn't matter, we are part of the destructive system currently in place. We buy things from China fuelling their destructive economy, the same way people all over Europe and USA do. We're about to export sh*tloads of beef to them, the production of which damages our own environment.
Everyone and every country needs to make changes.

dont bother

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Again, with China, this whole thing is a global issue. Because we are a small country doesn't matter, we are part of the destructive system currently in place. We buy things from China fuelling their destructive economy, the same way people all over Europe and USA do. We're about to export sh*tloads of beef to them, the production of which damages our own environment.
Everyone and every country needs to make changes.

well we are not going to.
so how about that.

you's can all preach all you want. but no. it wont happen.

Thelonious Monk

dont bother wrote: »

well we are not going to.
so how about that.

you's can all preach all you want. but no. it wont happen.

Am I preaching?

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Again, with China, this whole thing is a global issue. Because we are a small country doesn't matter, we are part of the destructive system currently in place. We buy things from China fuelling their destructive economy, the same way people all over Europe and USA do. We're about to export sh*tloads of beef to them, the production of which damages our own environment.
Everyone and every country needs to make changes.

So that's makes what China is doing alright then? As another poster said a great bunch of lads altogether. What is sure we can all turn off the lights tomorrow, sit in the dark and use dock leaves for arse wipping paper and it won't make one bit of difference with China et all merrily burning coal to beat the band. We're fuked.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

easypazz

NIMAN wrote: »

I have read enough to know that climate and atmospheric conditions on Earth are measured over hundreds of thousands and even millions of years.

Not 12.

The human race are but a blip in history. The Earth and humans will be here in 12, 100, 1000 years time. Will the Earth be different? Very likely, but barring an asteroid strike the end of mankind is a long, long way away.

Things will change, maybe millions might die, but the Earth will survive.

200 years ago, population 1 Billion. Today population 8 billion.



Evolution has always been gradual and species adapted over thousands of years, this worked fine until about 200 years ago.


But this is different. Its no longer natural evolution. Sea levels rising 3.6mm a year. Doubled since 20 or 30 years ago. Its accelerating. That's huge.

NIMAN

easypazz wrote: »

200 years ago, population 1 Billion. Today population 8 billion.



Evolution has always been gradual and species adapted over thousands of years, this worked fine until about 200 years ago.


But this is different. Its no longer natural evolution. Sea levels rising 3.6mm a year. Doubled since 20 or 30 years ago. Its accelerating. That's huge.

As I said, we might have phenomena that kill off millions, but rest assured the planet with survive, as will mankind. Sad thing is, it'll be the poorest that will die around the world.

Again you talk about 200 years in a planet thats been around 4.5billion.

As for your last line, don't quite get the facts. Have you any links to verify them?

dont bother

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Am I preaching?

yes

dont bother

easypazz wrote: »

200 years ago, population 1 Billion. Today population 8 billion.



Evolution has always been gradual and species adapted over thousands of years, this worked fine until about 200 years ago.


But this is different. Its no longer natural evolution. Sea levels rising 3.6mm a year. Doubled since 20 or 30 years ago. Its accelerating. That's huge.

WHO CARES!

dont bother

Petroleum Guzleum wrote: »

Does she say much about the harm the India and China do to the environment?

no, she only wants to go after countries that have large swathes of their populations already brainwashed into this kind of thinking.

she wont go after the other places because they would laugh her and her kind out of the room

Micky 32

dont bother wrote: »

WHO CARES!

I'm starting to think this way, every effing time you put on RTE It's climate change every 5 mins.

Look lads get the vaseline ready......

CrankyHaus

gozunda wrote: »

So that's makes what China is doing alright then? As another poster said a great bunch of lads altogether. What is sure we can all turn off the lights tomorrow and it won't make one bit of difference with China et all merrily burning coal to beat the band. We're fuked.

That is a huge cop-out.


We are part of the EU which can collectively commit to a greening of economy and society and develop green technologies (this is actually already kind of happening with renewable energy advancing substantially due to early adoption by many EU countries).

The EU is a major economic bloc and its impact on pollution would not be negligible.
The technologies and methods could then be applied elsewhere, once proven and economised within the EU. In fact the EU could benefit economically in the long term by being a leader in the sector.



China is a centrally planned state with a slightly longer viewpoint than the 4-5 year election cycle (Zhou Enlai's famous statement about the French Revolution was misunderstood, but still). They have major exposure to climate change and will come on board in time. This is generally true of the rising (or risen) Asian economies. In any case much of the pollution generated there is from production of goods consumed by us, so reductions in consumption over here have an impact.


I don't believe 16 years olds in super yachts with tax-haven aristocrats have real answers to offer in addressing climate change. But there are certainly answers. Complacent, selfish, fatalism is not one of them and is entirely inimical to the human spirit.

joe40

NIMAN wrote: »

I have read enough to know that climate and atmospheric conditions on Earth are measured over hundreds of thousands and even millions of years.

Not 12.

The human race are but a blip in history. The Earth and humans will be here in 12, 100, 1000 years time. Will the Earth be different? Very likely, but barring an asteroid strike the end of mankind is a long, long way away.

Things will change, maybe millions might die, but the Earth will survive.

Everyone knows the Earth will survive, it is the millions dying that is the problem.

Why do people keeping putting forward this argument when no one is disputing it.
Global climate changes over 1000s of years, no one is disputing that. No one.
The issue we are facing is rapid change in global climate and the ability of human society and populations to adapt in time.

Do people really not understand this or is it just a disingenuous excuse to do nothing.

easypazz

NIMAN wrote: »

As I said, we might have phenomena that kill off millions, but rest assured the planet with survive, as will mankind. Sad thing is, it'll be the poorest that will die around the world.

Again you talk about 200 years in a planet thats been around 4.5billion.

As for your last line, don't quite get the facts. Have you any links to verify them?

3.6mm is from article below. Sea levels rising by 2 metres a year in a couple of hundred years. Mankind may survive to some degree, but your talk of killing off millions will be billions of people, not millions.

All man made this time rather than gradual evolution. My view is that humans are the biggest rodents of all and a mass cull is required. A few billion dying is the only way to reduce emissions in a meaningful way.

https://news.sky.com/story/dont-buy-coastal-properties-un-scientists-issue-stark-warning-on-climate-11819030

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

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Everyone knows the Earth will survive, it is the millions dying that is the problem.

Why do people keeping putting forward this argument when no one is disputing it.
Global climate changes over 1000s of years, no one is disputing that. No one.
The issue we are facing is rapid change in global climate and the ability of human society and populations to adapt in time.

Do people really not understand this or is it just a disingenuous excuse to do nothing.

Why is it a problem?? We are a virus and the earth is counteracting it. Do you honestly think humans are so important in the grand scheme of things??

joe40

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why is it a problem?? We are a virus and the earth is counteracting it. Do you honestly think humans are so important in the grand scheme of things??

yes

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

yes

You are deluded so.

easypazz

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why is it a problem?? We are a virus and the earth is counteracting it. Do you honestly think humans are so important in the grand scheme of things??

That's it in a nutshell. We are destroying other species to get ahead.

Its not just the climate. We are polluting rivers killing fish, clearing jungles destroying species, vacuuming fish out of the oceans which cause dolphins and larger species to starve and become extinct.

dont bother

weldoninhio wrote: »

You are deluded so.

no im not.

you are deluded if you believe in a little girl dictating the end of the world

joe40

dont bother wrote: »

no im not.

you are deluded if you believe in a little girl dictating the end of the world

He was talking to me, I'm deluded because I would like the human race to continue

dont bother

Micky 32 wrote: »

I'm starting to think this way, every effing time you put on RTE It's climate change every 5 mins.

Look lads get the vaseline ready......

haha not just that.
i dont watch it at all really anymore, unless it's left on or whatever.

rte have a rota of the misery they want to portray:

Brexit, Mortgage, Cancer, Homeless crisis, Travellers, Climate Change

they rarely step outside of this narrative.

Dakota Dan

dont bother wrote: »

god only knows.
one thing's for sure - something is definitely OFF with it all.
it's very cloak and dagger conspiracy theory territory.

like any famous "stars" - they're all there to push some agenda.
this creepy fully grown adult posing as a child "greta" is just the face of this climate change nonsense.

they obviously wanted a "child", and one with a condition such as aspergers say, so that people on the oppositiion would feel less inclined to argue in a manner that they normally would.

it's ridiculously obvious.

now you have all the naive ignorant fools following every word of it - why?
cos they see "celebrities" like leonardo di caprio and rita ora putting gretas image on instagram and telling braindead masses to "get behind it" when in reality, they're told by their handlers to do this, as it pushes the agenda more.

it's a sick sad world we inhabit, and it wouldnt bother me in the slightest if it exploded in 11 years like all these nutjobs are saying

Just like their last puppet, a man in a wheelchair almost a vegetable and they had people believing he was some sort of genius doing Trojan work up to the day he died, and the fools lapped it up, this Thungberg is a carry on from him.

While she blasts greed and money she has a net worth of $146m and made $46m alone last year for her activism, nothing but a hypocrite.

weldoninhio

dont bother wrote: »

no im not.

you are deluded if you believe in a little girl dictating the end of the world

I think Greta is laughable. Her parents need to take a long hard look at themselves. She'll be in a padded room by Xmas.

dont bother

weldoninhio wrote: »

I think Greta is laughable. Her parents need to take a long hard look at themselves. She'll be in a padded room by Xmas.

oh.....

Dakota Dan

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I suppose you don't watch weather forecasts either? Sure how would those idiot pink haired snowflake scientists be able to predict anything?

There’s a big difference in following weather patterns 3 to 4 days ahead to predicting climate in 50 to 100 years filmed with doom and gloom.

SafeSurfer

Dakota Dan wrote: »

dont bother wrote: »

god only knows.
one thing's for sure - something is definitely OFF with it all.
it's very cloak and dagger conspiracy theory territory.

like any famous "stars" - they're all there to push some agenda.
this creepy fully grown adult posing as a child "greta" is just the face of this climate change nonsense.

they obviously wanted a "child", and one with a condition such as aspergers say, so that people on the oppositiion would feel less inclined to argue in a manner that they normally would.

it's ridiculously obvious.

now you have all the naive ignorant fools following every word of it - why?
cos they see "celebrities" like leonardo di caprio and rita ora putting gretas image on instagram and telling braindead masses to "get behind it" when in reality, they're told by their handlers to do this, as it pushes the agenda more.

it's a sick sad world we inhabit, and it wouldnt bother me in the slightest if it exploded in 11 years like all these nutjobs are saying

Just like their last puppet, a man in a wheelchair almost a vegetable and they had people believing he was some sort of genius doing Trojan work up to the day he died, and the fools lapped it up, this Thungberg is a carry on from him.

While she blasts greed and money she has a net worth of $146m and made $46m alone last year for her activism, nothing but a hypocrite.

Can you share links to your source for her bet worth and income? Interested.

gozunda

CrankyHaus wrote: »

That is a huge cop-out.We are part of the EU which can collectively commit to a greening of economy and society and develop green technologies (this is actually already kind of happening with renewable energy advancing substantially due to early adoption by many EU countries). The EU is a major economic bloc and its impact on pollution would not be negligible.
The technologies and methods could then be applied elsewhere, once proven and economised within the EU. In fact the EU could benefit economically in the long term by being a leader in the sector.China is a centrally planned state with a slightly longer viewpoint than the 4-5 year election cycle (Zhou Enlai's famous statement about the French Revolution was misunderstood, but still). They have major exposure to climate change and will come on board in time. This is generally true of the rising (or risen) Asian economies. In any case much of the pollution generated there is from production of goods consumed by us, so reductions in consumption over here have an impact.I don't believe 16 years olds in super yachts with tax-haven aristocrats have real answers to offer in addressing climate change. But there are certainly answers. Complacent, selfish, fatalism is not one of them and is entirely inimical to the human spirit.

Oh no it's not!

The bolded bit bit is highly debatable imo. By the time and if they do - it will be well after any of the IPCC predictions for significant global temperature rise.

Of the EU - there does seem to have been some significant developments in reducing Greenhouse gases emissions. However much of that has been achieved through offshoring production.

I would however beg to differ on your conclusion with regard to the huge rates of pollution in China etc

In any case much of the pollution generated there is from production of goods consumed by us

It takes two to tango. A significant proportion of the pollution has been shown to be as a result of a number of factors including massive population, lax anti-pollution laws and lack of regulation which favour economic activities over environmental standards and most importantly a huge reliance on outdated means of energy generation. There is also the issue that such economies are attempting to emulate and in some cases exceed western rates of consumerism.

Also pleased note the "we're fuked" comment is a verbal device and not an example of "Complacent, selfish, fatalism" . It was included to highlight that despite the present wave of hysteria and call to arms - the current proposals will not be effective. So back to the drawing board ...

Edit: I note the usual 'backslappers' (sic) are in operation on your post. Never a good sign tbh. Be careful you dont disagree with any of them. They can get nasty

Dakota Dan

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Can you share links to your source for her bet worth and income? Interested.

It’s not public information for obvious reasons as they want you to believe she’s a poor little girl from Sweden. She one of the highest activists on 2019 and has plenty other business interests.

alastair

Dakota Dan wrote: »

It’s not public information for obvious reasons as they want you to believe she’s a poor little girl from Sweden. She one of the highest activists on 2019 and has plenty other business interests.

Seems like an entirely legit and plausible claim. 🙄

joe40

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Just like their last puppet, a man in a wheelchair almost a vegetable and they had people believing he was some sort of genius doing Trojan work up to the day he died, and the fools lapped it up, this Thungberg is a carry on from him.

While she blasts greed and money she has a net worth of $146m and made $46m alone last year for her activism, nothing but a hypocrite.

That comment really takes the thread to gutter level. Not surprised it got a few thanks as well.

Any evidence on the 46 million from "activism"

SafeSurfer

Dakota Dan wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Can you share links to your source for her bet worth and income? Interested.

It’s not public information for obvious reasons as they want you to believe she’s a poor little girl from Sweden. She one of the highest activists on 2019 and has plenty other business interests.

No evidence. No links.

You will understand if I am sceptical about those claims.