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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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    #3782
    Professor Moriarty
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    Interesting ad hominem attacks on Greta. Great way to deflect from the core message.


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    #3783
    ToBeFrank123
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Interesting ad hominem attacks on Greta. Great way to deflect from the core message.

    What core message? The core message has been said a million times.

    All we are getting in New York is a circus. A circus where thousands of rich people fly in on their private jets and in business class to tell us all we need to make sacrifices.

    There was a report today that something like 1% of people are responsible for a large amount of air travel. You can be sure its the same 1% that go around to the likes of Davos, the UN, etc telling us all how terrible global warming is.


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    #3784
    Tell me how
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Interesting ad hominem attacks on Greta. Great way to deflect from the core message.

    And from a remarkable number of accounts registered in the last couple of weeks. I guess the call went out.

    You can practically see the old usernames from previous discussions on Peter Casey, Trump, etc. Theres a strong consistency to the viewpoints.


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    #3785
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    What core message? The core message has been said a million times.

    All we are getting in New York is a circus. A circus where thousands of rich people fly in on their private jets and in business class to tell us all we need to make sacrifices.

    There was a report today that something like 1% of people are responsible for a large amount of air travel. You can be sure its the same 1% that go around to the likes of Davos, the UN, etc telling us all how terrible global warming is.

    She gets people talking about climate change and she keeps them talking about climate change. That's a good thing.


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    #3786
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,342 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    manual_man wrote: »
    I have no problem with children wanting to do well for the environment. Kids are generally well meaning. There's certainly no harm in teachers - and parents - introducing the idea of environmentally responsibility to children(from a certain age, at least).

    However, there's a lot more at play.

    First of all, i think most people can agree that scaring our children to death is not the way to go about things. Instances of 'eco anxiety' are on the rise among children and young adults. It's not surprising when you hear people such as AOC, who are very popular with a younger demographic, saying that the world will end in 12 years if we don't take any action. This is disgraceful and irresponsible. Teaching young people about environmentally responsibility and what they themselves can do (particularly with their own consumption habits) is great. Trying to indoctrinate them with fear is not.

    Now, as to Greta Thunberg herself: I really have mixed views. I have nothing against the girl herself. Young people should be protected, and their concerns should be listened to. However, they are still children. I'm not comfortable with her being pushed into an adult's world as she has been. It's a fair question to ask if the adults behind her really have her best interests at heart, or if there are more nefarious motives at play. I heard her initial protest was indeed orchestrated by her parents and others (despite them having denied it at first). Also, as has probably been noted, her parents wrote about her and her sister's challenges with mental health issues in a book not so long ago. Is it really responsible for a parent to make their children's struggles so public??? I personally would say no.

    So i think it's myopic to immediately accuse anyone who is raising concerns as 'bullying a child' or 'being threatened by a child'. While i've seen a few distasteful remarks thrown her way, the majority of concern i've seen is not directly critical of her but rather is raising concern of the wisdom of thrusting her to the very forefront of what is a very divisive issue (at least in terms of the best way of going about addressing the issue). I think there's better ways to have this debate. Thrusting a child to the forefront of the debate and demanding that she be listened to (but not questioned) seems a bit nefarious to me. We can do better.

    I would agree with this in essence. However, I think most of he people who are "raising concern" about Greta don't give a fuck in reality and are only interested in pushing their own political point of view. The opening snide post and the many, many snide remarks made about her in this thread shows that clearly, as do the, frankly, disgusting remarks made about her from certain quarters elsewhere - a lot of which were simply personal in nature.

    Greta has made her point, through her stunt, which (in fairness) I thought was a pretty impressive for a 16 year old girl. I couldn't boat across the Liffey, never mind an ocean. She'll, more than likely, just go back to the obscurity she came from pretty soon now I reckon and everyone will move on. In the end, Greta Thunberg has done no harm to anyone, whether one agrees with her opinions or not.

    And I say the above as someone who is in two minds about the whole "Climate Change" affair and what actual affect mankind is having on it. I don't belong to any camp, as it were.

    Also, this "world will end in 12 years", is not what the scientific community are saying. Their position is that there is a possibility that we could reach a point of no return for HUMANITY in around that time, if we continue on the path we are on presently and don't change the way we operate with regards to energy and fossil fuels, etc.

    The "world" isn't going to end in 12 years or 12 thousand years.

    WE might be going down an inexorable path that sees our destruction (or at least significant reduction) however.


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    #3787
    begsbyOnaTrain
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    I couldn't boat across the Liffey, never mind an ocean.

    Well the only requirement is the ability to sh!t in a bucket. If you can do that and have a multi-million dollar boat and full crew and your Dad to keep you company, then I reckon you could do it.


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    #3788
    Thelonious Monk
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    begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »
    Well the only requirement is the ability to sh!t in a bucket. If you can do that and have a multi-million dollar boat and full crew and your Dad to keep you company, then I reckon you could do it.

    I would imagine most people would find it pretty terrifying, including myself. It was a good publicity stunt anyway, she's headline news everywhere now.


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    #3789
    NIMAN
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    easypazz wrote: »
    3.6mm is from article below. Sea levels rising by 2 metres a year in a couple of hundred years. Mankind may survive to some degree, but your talk of killing off millions will be billions of people, not millions.

    All man made this time rather than gradual evolution. My view is that humans are the biggest rodents of all and a mass cull is required. A few billion dying is the only way to reduce emissions in a meaningful way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/dont-buy-coastal-properties-un-scientists-issue-stark-warning-on-climate-11819030

    First off, this is just theory for now. Nothing else. No scientist can predict what sea levels rises will be in 200 years time. If you are willing to accept that as fact then you are their target audience. Where is all this water going to come from to keep rising 2 metres per year indefinitely?

    And secondly, its 200 years away, me and my kids will be long gone. Its hard to care about something so far ahead.

    The only thing I believe is that the rest of my life and my kids lives will probably go on as they have been for the next 50 or 75yrs, without all the doomsday stuff happening. Of course, some will believe I'm gullible for thinking this, but hey, each to their own.


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    #3790
    Graces7
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    There is an excellent appraisal in a dedicated thread to this topic over on the weather forum. .. cannot post links.


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    #3791
    ToBeFrank123
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    She gets people talking about climate change and she keeps them talking about climate change. That's a good thing.

    She could have done it via video link - that would have made a far more impressive statement that people don't have to travel tens of thousands of miles to talk about climate change. As others have said she offers no proposals, just repeating what scientists have told us is happening.

    We know the problem. Its solutions we need. And I don't believe thousands of people travelling around on the climate change circus contribute much and is certainly not leading by example. People just get cynical about these things and say well if they aren't going to make sacrifices, why should we? And emissions continue to rise.

    Emitting thousands of tons of CO2 to attend a gathering or similar gatherings about rising CO2 emissions is laughably ironic.

    Globalisation and world trade deals like Mercosur are also a huge contributor to rising emissions. And its the very same politicians lecturing us about climate change who are driving Mercosur and globalisation.


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    #3792
    Professor Moriarty
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    First off, this is just theory for now. Nothing else. No scientist can predict what sea levels rises will be in 200 years time. If you are willing to accept that as fact then you are their target audience. Where is all this water going to come from to keep rising 2 metres per year indefinitely?

    And secondly, its 200 years away, me and my kids will be long gone. Its hard to care about something so far ahead.

    The only thing I believe is that the rest of my life and my kids lives will probably go on as they have been for the next 50 or 75yrs, without all the doomsday stuff happening. Of course, some will believe I'm gullible for thinking this, but hey, each to their own.

    Pity there isn't any valid science that contradicts the IPCC's research and conclusions.


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    #3793
    Professor Moriarty
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    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    She could have done it via video link - that would have made a far more impressive statement that people don't have to travel tens of thousands of miles to talk about climate change. As others have said she offers no proposals, just repeating what scientists have told us is happening.

    We know the problem. Its solutions we need. And I don't believe thousands of people travelling around on the climate change circus contribute much and is certainly not leading by example. People just get cynical about these things and say well if they aren't going to make sacrifices, why should we? And emissions continue to rise.

    Emitting thousands of tons of CO2 to attend a gathering or similar gatherings about rising CO2 emissions is laughably ironic.

    I don't agree. This very thread is proof positive that her trip was worthwhile.


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    #3794
    Thelonious Monk
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    The only thing I believe is that the rest of my life and my kids lives will probably go on as they have been for the next 50 or 75yrs, without all the doomsday stuff happening. Of course, some will believe I'm gullible for thinking this, but hey, each to their own.

    It may go on as is in this part of the world anyway, but some of us feel like we'd like to leave a better world behind, and I don't even have kids. Some people plant broadleaf trees on their land in Ireland even though they'll never get to see them anywhere near their pomp, because they want to leave something good behind.


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    #3795
    NIMAN
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    It may go on as is in this part of the world anyway, but some of us feel like we'd like to leave a better world behind, and I don't even have kids. Some people plant broadleaf trees on their land in Ireland even though they'll never get to see them anywhere near their pomp, because they want to leave something good behind.

    Each to their own.

    If it makes you or the tree planters feel better and die happier, then knock yourself out.

    But with overriding numbers against you, it will do nothing and will be in vain.


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    #3796
    Tony EH
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    begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »
    Well the only requirement is the ability to sh!t in a bucket. If you can do that and have a multi-million dollar boat and full crew and your Dad to keep you company, then I reckon you could do it.

    You go do it then, mouth warrior. :rolleyes:


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    #3797
    begsbyOnaTrain
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    It was a good publicity stunt anyway, she's headline news everywhere now.

    Aye, deffo good PR stunt for her brand.

    I'm glad she did it too. I'll admit to never having heard or watched her before, but man that video of her glowering when Trump walked on was hilarious! I would have hated to have missed out on that.


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    #3798
    Feisar
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    Firstly I believe climate change is a serious issue. Also apart from that we are using up the earth at an alarming rate.

    Now, on to Greta.

    1. You've ruined my childhood? She is part of the 1% of 1% elites of the world. Ruined childhoods applies to kids in mines in the Congo etc. I was sorta on board till she came out with that one.

    2. It's more the Greta supporters that irk me. One cannot question the motives behind her or one is castigated as some weirdo throwing vitriol online at a child. It is not my fault her parents and whoever else have set her up for this. one is still allowed to query they why's of it regardless of her age/sex/syndrome.

    3. The Greta supporters; which of them stopped shopping in Penney's e.g. buying disposable fashion, didn't go to Bali to "find themselves" or cut out single use plastics? Load of virtue signalers.

    I can support everything that needs to be done to save the planet however i can in the same breath be disdainful of those that have foisted this child up in the manner she has been and those that clamor onto the wagon behind her. No issue with them getting behind the climate change issue just the holier than thou attitude while simultaneously doing nothing in the real world.

    Also I've read any amount comments about how sickening all the crap being said about her is. However I've come across one actual sh!tty meme. Maybe people are referring to any questioning of her as a nasty comment, I dunno. In fairness I'm not on twitter so maybe that's where it all is.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #3799
    begsbyOnaTrain
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    You go do it then, mouth warrior. :rolleyes:

    I'd love to. But I lack a multi-million dollar boat, fully crewed by an experienced team.

    Unfortunately for me, my company make me do video calls with our lads in China :( It'd be class to turn up in a boat!


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    #3800
    Tony EH
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    begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »
    I'd love to. But I lack a multi-million dollar boat, fully crewed by an experienced team.

    Unfortunately for me, my company make me do video calls with our lads in China :( It'd be class to turn up in a boat!

    You wouldn't make it out of the harbour.


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    #3801
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Stupid question, if the sea levels are going to rise, can countries around the world not be pumping water from the sea daily to lower it ?


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    #3802
    Feisar
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Stupid question, if the sea levels are going to rise, can countries around the world not be pumping water from the sea daily to lower it ?

    Pump it to where?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #3803
    BorneTobyWilde
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    You can turn water to a solid by adding a chemical? So why not pump trillions of litres daily from oceans and turn it to a solid.


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    #3804
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And from a remarkable number of accounts registered in the last couple of weeks. I guess the call went out.

    You can practically see the old usernames from previous discussions on Peter Casey, Trump, etc. Theres a strong consistency to the viewpoints.

    again,
    just because you disagree with Peter Casey, Trump etc... what makes YOU right and those people wrong?

    you are a sheep


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    #3805
    ToBeFrank123
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I don't agree. This very thread is proof positive that her trip was worthwhile.

    We all know the issues. We've moved to the solution phase now.

    Some of the solutions are scaling back globalisation, ieg one country 5000 miles away selling us cheaper beef than we produce a mile a two down the road with German car makers selling diesel or petrol cars in return.

    Or thousands of people flying around the world to the UN, Davos and the like, to tell us we must do more to cut our emissions, then ignoring all their resolutions once they get back home.


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    #3806
    dont bother
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Pity there isn't any valid science that contradicts the IPCC's research and conclusions.

    even if there was it would be denied by the climate cult


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    #3807
    easypazz
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Pump it to where?

    Swimming pools as suggested earlier.


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    #3808
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭Feisar


    easypazz wrote: »
    Swimming pools as suggested earlier.

    I get to have a pool?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #3809
    Tell me how
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    dont bother wrote: »
    again,
    just because you disagree with Peter Casey, Trump etc... what makes YOU right and those people wrong?

    you are a sheep

    What I believe makes me right, in this instance, is my willingness to believe those who have dedicated an education and career to understanding the status, and issue with the climate.

    What makes you right and me wrong?


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    #3810
    dont bother
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    What I believe makes me right, in this instance, is my willingness to believe those who have dedicated an education and career to understanding the status, and issue with the climate.

    What makes you right and me wrong?

    so you are completely deluded in your own opinions. ok then.

    you are not right.
    you have not come up with these things yourself, making the scientists, not right either, but that they have an opinion. it's not the right opinion.
    it's at best scare-mongering. it is designed to scare the most stupid and ignorant in society, so when i see people who agree with it then i know from that point on that i am speaking to a braindead moron with no thoughts of their own.

    i never said i was "right" or that i support any of the things like casey or trump.


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    #3811
    Thelonious Monk
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    I voted for Casey and I'm a pink haired feminist or whatever. The stables and mansions for those travellers was just ridiculous so he won my vote.


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