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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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    #4532
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    No I don't. All are of an irrelevance. Attack their politics not how they are or what they look like.

    One set of traits are a choice, the other are not.

    The history of a politician or activists choices are always relevant.


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    #4533
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭jackboy


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    No.

    Unless it’s someone you don’t like that’s fat, then it’s fair game.


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    #4534
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    One set of traits are a choice, the other are not.

    The history of a politician or activists choices are always relevant.

    Greta can always choose to identify as male ;)

    Joking aside, dismissing someone politics because they are fat or have silly hair is absurd. Slagging them with intent to hurt is worse. Doing the former is literally the definition of ad-hominem.
    Suggesting that a politicians choice to eat certain foods is somehow relevant to really anything is bordering on the ludicrous. Do you ask a canvessing politician what they had for dinner?

    You know fully well that if a female politician received the abuse that Trump (in particular) or BJ there would be an outcry. And rightly so.


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    #4535
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    So, you see no distinction between criticizing Greta on the basis of her age, gender and neurology and criticizing Trump on the basis of his spray tan, complex comb-over and excess body fat?
    Something to do with choice, perhaps?

    Not said. I said "No ones "traits and personality" have a bearing on the validity of their "message". So best read what was written again.

    It also doesn't need to be said that trump has no more of a choice being a white male of a certain age than greta has of being a white female of certain age.

    That some would try to validate such criticisms says more about the craziness of this whole thing than anything else.


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    #4536
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not said. I said "No ones "traits and personality" have a bearing on the validity of their "message". So best read what was written again.

    It also doesn't need to be said that trump has no more of a choice being a white male of a certain age than greta has of being a white female of certain age.

    That some would try to validate such criticisms says more about the craziness of this whole thing than anything else.

    I'm not criticizing Trump for being a white male.
    jackboy wrote: »
    Unless it’s someone you don’t like that’s fat, then it’s fair game.

    Also, no.

    Third time lucky? Something to do with choice and underlying causes? Agency?


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    #4537
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    You know fully well that if a female politician received the abuse that Trump (in particular) or BJ there would be an outcry. And rightly so.

    On that, we might actually agree.


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    #4538
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    I'm not criticizing Trump for being a white male.
    Also, no.Third time lucky? Something to do with choice and underlying causes? Agency?

    You're attempting to validate criticising trump because of his appearance - that you think he is fat or orange is irrelevant. That you chose those particular traits as being somehow important shows your argument as little more than deranged. Someone people seem hung up on gretas plaits - that's a choice. So maybe as you suggest we should get hung up on her hairstyle no?

    It remains someones personal appearance (whether you chose to like it or otherwise) remains as irrelevant as gender.

    But hey keep banging your head on that rock - you sure are making a real impact...


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    #4539
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭jackboy


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Third time lucky? Something to do with choice and underlying causes? Agency?

    Well you haven’t been exactly clear on when it is acceptable to mock fat people, we just know that trump is on the list.


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    #4540
    KyussB
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    gozunda wrote: »
    Thank you for proving the point made in my previous post - in the very first paragraph. Well done ;)
    Your post is absent any point. You seem to be trying to dissuade me from using certain words - despite you regularly screeching 'Communism!' in the thread, when it doesn't even apply.


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    #4541
    lleti
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 271 ✭✭lleti


    Neil Delaney wrote: »
    While Greta can be annoying, I certainly agree with her 'burn the coal, pay the toll' message.

    And if you're a family on the poverty line with only a stove?


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    #4542
    Hococop
    Registered Users Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Hococop


    Problem here is she will be watched like a hawk now to see if she messes up, eg going on a plane or trains etc and people will point out the hypocrisy,

    Same thing that pissed people off about dicaprio, he would talk about climate control and then be spotted later out on huge private luxury yachts jets etc


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    #4543
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    I wonder is it possible that we are going to be one of the last few generations to enjoy the technological advances of the 20th century.
    Whether that be cars, air travel, electricity, computers they are all powered by energy from fossil fuels.
    We know that is not sustainable. Some may still go on about climate change hoax but they're not worth arguing with at this stage. The consensus among the scientific community is too great.
    Human nature will ensure that nowhere near enough people will voluntarily give up all the benefits of modern technology, to significantly reduce emissions. That's not necessarily a criticism just a fact.
    So it seems to me the only solution will be technological.
    Replacement energy resources that will at least match fossil fuels.
    Individual action although laudable and necessary will not solve the problem.
    It is the equivalent of band aid for famine relief. Some short term help but does nothing to solve underlying issues.
    I wish Greta all the best she is to be applauded for her efforts and the awareness she is raising, but it is also hard not to despair at this.

    I'm nearly 50 so personally won't be affected but horrible to think that this might be as good as it gets for human technological advancement and society.
    We need scientific and technological solutions and the political will to make it happen. Might not be possible we can only hope.


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    #4544
    lleti
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 271 ✭✭lleti


    Hococop wrote: »
    Problem here is she will be watched like a hawk now to see if she messes up, eg going on a plane or trains etc and people will point out the hypocrisy,

    Same thing that pissed people off about dicaprio, he would talk about climate control and then be spotted later out on huge private luxury yachts jets etc

    Hardly a problem is it?

    Can't go around telling people they're to blame and then go and exasperate the problem.

    There's literally no reason for her to go on a plane or train, she can walk to school.


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    #4545
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    KyussB wrote: »
    Your post is absent any point. You seem to be trying to dissuade me from using certain words - despite you regularly screeching 'Communism!' in the thread, when it doesn't even apply.

    On but that is correct. It did indeed apply and I'm not the only one to say that. Many others say the same. But if you insist you are wrong ...
    ;)


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    #4546
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    If only Greta can be discredited then climate change will cease to exist and everyone can get back to their happy clappy lives.


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    #4547
    Mebuntu
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’


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    #4548
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If only Greta can be discredited then climate change will cease to exist and everyone can get back to their happy clappy lives.

    Yet another fallacy? In the big scheme of things - greta means fek all - climate change or no. It's like suggesting you can only celebrate Christmas if you believe in santa claus
    ..


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    #4549
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah I should have known Jez Clarkson would be the type of bloke you people would listen to. Excellent to see that she has "triggered" another one of your own, middle aged white dude :D


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    #4550
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yet another fallacy? In the big scheme of things - greta means fek all - climate change or no. It's like suggesting you can only celebrate Christmas if you believe in santa claus
    ..

    It's a logical fallacy in which many people seem to believe.


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    #4551
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’
    Jeremy Clarkson contributed nothing to modern technology so how can he say what "we gave you..."
    He is just an arse who used his influence when, he had any, to deny climate change at every opportunity.


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    #4552
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's funny how they say "we gave you internet laptops" etc and then at the same time call them spoiled brats for giving them all this stuff like it's their fault


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    #4553
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yeah I should have known Jez Clarkson would be the type of bloke you people would listen to. Excellent to see that she has "triggered" another one of your own, middle aged white dude :D

    Are you a 'white dude'? Interesting to know what you have against at least 49% of the population here. A bit racist no?


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    #4554
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’

    It's The Sun so Jeremy has to feed the fish. He's been afraid of the message for many years so he's shooting the messenger. Jeremy doesn't want to know the reality so he mocks it at every turn and useful idiots laugh and clap.


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    #4555
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’

    He sounds so angry...he might punch her :)


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    #4556
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’

    Clarkson doesn't give anything but negativity, abuse and stupidity. He's the embodiment of privilege which feels threatened by a young woman with opinions. It's disgraceful but par for the course.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4557
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Clarkson doesn't give anything but negativity, abuse and stupidity. He's the embodiment of privilege ..

    It would seem that jeremy and greta have more in common than any of us would think ;)


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    #4558
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    gozunda wrote: »
    It would seem that jeremy and greta have more in common than any of us would think ;)

    Completely false equivalence. Clarkson stokes rage on behalf of his tax dodging employer for personal gain. I see no reason to suspect the same disingenuity on the part of Thunberg.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4559
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭jackboy


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Completely false equivalence. Clarkson stokes rage on behalf of his tax dodging employer for personal gain. I see no reason to suspect the same disingenuity on the part of Thunberg.

    I believe Greta is genuine but is being played like a fiddle by people who don’t give a damn about her.

    The end result is similar to Clarkson. Abusing strangers and intense negativity.


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    #4560
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    joe40 wrote: »
    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Jeremy Clarkson addressed Greta today. I love it.
    ‘How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.'
    'We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all,‘So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.’
    Jeremy Clarkson contributed nothing to modern technology so how can he say what "we gave you..."
    He is just an arse who used his influence when, he had any, to deny climate change at every opportunity.
    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    gozunda wrote: »
    It would seem that jeremy and greta have more in common than any of us would think ;)

    Completely false equivalence. Clarkson stokes rage on behalf of his tax dodging employer for personal gain. I see no reason to suspect the same disingenuity on the part of Thunberg.

    Both stoke rage for personal gain. The difference is one does it with humour the other without.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #4561
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Both stoke rage for personal gain. The difference is one does it with humour the other without.

    Thunberg is stoking rage for personal gain? Can you prove that?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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