Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Tuisceanch

AlekSmart wrote: »

Good question,all the same....Out of nowhere...one girl on strike from school somewhere.

Something just isn't right here,but in the maelstrom of media concoctions,once we have the skeleton we can hang a lot more upon it.....

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-10-10/how-did-teen-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-rise-fame-so-quickly


Greta's star will wane in time,the World will find something else to be concerned over,but as can be seen above,Greta may well simply find another topic to be motivated by...it's all quite odd really....odder and odder...

From the article,a number of reasons are postulated:

• One obvious reason is her age
• It’s partly an issue of timing
• She started a unique way of protesting, using school strike
  
• her whiteness is very much an asset for why the media, why governments, why the UN has been willing to feature her.

so that would be a reasonable starting point. I haven't had the luxury of reading the whole thread from start to finish but from what I remember from what I read at the start some of these subjects were already touched on.

Ash.J.Williams

she's had some affect on people all the same

Tuisceanch

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

she's had some affect on people all the same

Which was the objective so if people were encouraged who hadn't paid much attention to this issue beforehand then that must be considered a positive outcome. A better informed public makes for more informed debate and better decision making.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

We've had

• Greta is being abused.
• Greta's parents are pushing her.
• She is mentally incapable of understanding the situation.
• She is just a puppet.
• Organisations are just using her to make it look like they care.
• She is a hypocrite.
• She should still be in school.
• She's just 16 and knows nothing.
• There is no climate problem.
• There has always been problems with the climate.
• It's all an excuse to tax, tax, tax.
• What about the RCP4.5?
• And now this nonsense about a pseudo-comparison with a non-existent thread.

I wonder what will tomorrow bring?

Bingo.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Greta is Antifa, how the he’ll could take anything she says seriously. Then again she doesn’t say a whole lot off script, she’s like a puppet for hire and her reward is being able to mitch off school.

is_that_so

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Which was the objective so if people were encouraged who hadn't paid much attention to this issue beforehand then that must be considered a positive outcome. A better informed public makes for more informed debate and better decision making.

There is a blind assumption on the part of those who claim they knew that nobody else knew about it before she emerged. The claims of the world ending in a decade does not bring anything to any debate, any more than than the weight of the L'Oreal stat of 1000 scientists agreeing this is true. As far as we know is the only thing we can say and even there within science there are questions about timescale. The whole thing has morphed into some type of gloom porn, which people will tire of if they haven't already.

Once you get past the concept of a difficult change there need to be practical solutions. She has none, apart from listening to the scientists and scientists are too busy putting their names to documents en masse. That there is such a huge volume of paperwork regularly produced on this issue would encourage a cynic to ask if there is any other research going on in any other field elsewhere. If we have reached a tipping point it's in alarm-raising and it is time to move on to the practical solutions! So let's see what these scientists are made of!

Fr_Dougal

Tell me how wrote: »

Bingo.

Derp.

Sloppy_Joe

When is the China and India leg of Greta's World Tour?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.thejournal.ie/climate-emergency-eu-parliament-4909666-Nov2019/

Lol. Hopefully some measures to stop encouraging mindless consumerism are brought in with this declaration.

is_that_so

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/climate-emergency-eu-parliament-4909666-Nov2019/

Lol. Hopefully some measures to stop encouraging mindless consumerism are brought in with this declaration.

Nope, we'll keep on doing that, but an action plan from the EU they can sell would be good. Inclined to agree with Sean Kelly comment from that piece.

Tuisceanch

is_that_so wrote: »

There is a blind assumption on the part of those who claim they knew that nobody else knew about it before she emerged. The claims of the world ending in a decade does not bring anything to any debate, any more than than the weight of the L'Oreal stat of 1000 scientists agreeing this is true. As far as we know is the only thing we can say and even there within science there are questions about timescale. The whole thing has morphed into some type of gloom porn, which people will tire of if they haven't already.

Once you get past the concept of a difficult change there need to be practical solutions. She has none, apart from listening to the scientists and scientists are too busy putting their names to documents en masse. That there is such a huge volume of paperwork regularly produced on this issue would encourage a cynic to ask if there is any other research going on in any other field elsewhere. If we have reached a tipping point it's in alarm-raising and it is time to move on to the practical solutions! So let's see what these scientists are made of!

Yes but I think that's what a lot of us are saying as well. We have known about this issue for a long time, but not everybody has, so she serves a purpose for a younger generation. Climate research is still a valid pursuit, because by understanding better the mechanisms and the extent of the problem, it informs us better of the timescales involved and its results are a source of information for those engaged in innovative thinking surrounding technical solutions. If it were treated as a business risk,which it is,then the public would see that this is a very rational response.

The political solutions required have been mooted, some of which are a subject of debate here, so it's puzzling why so many people are so intent on focusing on what they see as the cult of individual. I agree that we have reached a tipping point of alarm-raising. The information is out there and people can take it or leave it.The reality is that the individual has limited input into decision making,even in our so called democratic societies,and it's not so productive or healthy to spend all of one's time worrying about things you cannot change. But informing yourself about an issue should not be avoided simply because others insist that it is just alarmist.

Thelonious Monk

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope, we'll keep on doing that, but an action plan from the EU they can sell would be good. Inclined to agree with Sean Kelly comment from that piece.

The lazy india china answer that you all love on boards

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The lazy india china answer that you all love on boards

Well no. According to the EU article you linked above - theres a lot more than just a couple of well informed posters on Boards aware of these very significant issues

Fine Gael MEP Sean Kelly told EuroParlRadio that’s he’s all for “increasing ambition” to tackle the climate crisis but “you cannot force it on people without having something in place to do so”. 

Kelly said that even if Europe managed to become carbon neutral there’s “a bigger job” to do.

“Maybe a more important job is convincing the Brazils the United States, the Chinas, and the Indias of this world, that they have to be as ambitious as us, then we’ll really make progress”.

Maybe mr Kelly is a regular on boards :eek:

Tuisceanch

gozunda wrote: »

Well no. According to the EU article you linked above - theres a lot more than just a couple of well informed posters on Boards aware of these very significant issues



Maybe mr Kelly is a regular on boards :eek:

“Maybe a more important job is convincing the Brazils the United States, the Chinas, and the Indias of this world, that they have to be as ambitious as us, then we’ll really make progress”.

Yes that's absolutely true but how exactly? Hopefully,Mr. Kelly makes an appearance,if he hasn't already,as that would provide a useful insight.I suspect he's too busy though.

gozunda

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Yes that's absolutely true but how exactly? Hopefully,Mr. Kelly makes an appearance,if he hasn't already,as that would provide a useful insight.I suspect he's too busy though.

Good question...

Gynoid

I see on the front of the Independent (online) that children are being frightened some more for the purposes of some people showing how right on and righteous they are. Dr Laura Kehoe who professes that we have entered "planetary breakdown" and who was convinced by Extinction Rebellion to become a Birthstriker (thank goodness for small mercies) is encouraging children to write to Green Santa begging the adults around them to stop destroying their lives and futures.
At least Dr Laura can say I never had / will have poor little doomed children who would have to weep and gnash at Christmas like these ones I lead like the Pied Piper towards existential angst....the Fcuking big gobshyte.

Wake me up when we are past this dreadful episode of dribbling hysteria in the ongoing series on world history.

Dr. Bre

Will she make an appearance on the toy show tonight ? Considering RTÉ having been going nuts about climate change recently I wouldn’t be surprised

weldoninhio

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will she make an appearance on the toy show tonight ? Considering RThaving been going nuts about climate change recently I wouldn’t be surprised

I'd be very surprised if she could teleport from the middle of the ocean to Donnybrook.

gozunda

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if she could teleport from the middle of the ocean to Donnybrook.

Well she appears not to be dissimilar in her travel methods to a previous much loved media idol - Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz - when she found herself far from home just had to stamp her feet / click her heels and be magically transported there. Maybe in the spirit of the season she could do the same for the toy show no?



Note the 'denier' in the corner...

KSU

Crisis over

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)31230-9

This will really confuse the CC activists who also attend the Free Palestine protests

Tuisceanch

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49756280

Is individual action pointless in the face of climate change?

is the question posed by the author of this article and one which has been brought up by many posters at time or other in a number of threads pertaining to the subject of climate change. The author,decided to pose that very same question to Greta Thunberg,when he interviewed her prior to her voyage to New York:

"The point", she told me as we bobbed in Plymouth Sound, "is to create an opinion. By stopping flying, you don't only reduce your own carbon footprint but also that sends a signal to other people around you that the climate crisis is a real thing and that helps push a political movement."

"So you're trying to make the rest of us feel guilty?"

"No", she replied calmly, and explained she doesn't think it is her job to tell other people how to live their lives. Rather, her convictions must guide her own behaviour.

"I don't fly because of the enormous climate impact of aviation per person."

Previously, she's tried attending conferences by video link but it just doesn't make as much of an impression. "I think it will have a bigger impact if I and many other young people are actually there".

So why is it that many find her actions questionable and hypocritical and wonder why they should moderate or even forgo culturally ingrained habits and lifestyle choices. Professor Kelly Fielding,a behavioural psychologist gives her insights:

We are not the free-thinking independent spirits we imagine ourselves to be

What we know as social psychologists is that people are very influenced by what others do, even though we don't think we are

"It's a paradox. We think we make our own decisions, but the truth is we look to others for guidance about how we should behave."

When it comes to climate change, the problem is that we just aren't getting the cues we need from our friends and families or, for that matter, from government and business, she says.

In the spirit of our time I will conclude,as I fly off to the Caribbean for a winter break, "How dare you little people!".

biko

weldoninhio wrote: »

Peer Reviewed Paper

Curry & Lewis paper – Climate models exaggerating up to 45% warming

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JCLI-D-17-0667.1

Tell me how

^^^^
From Dr Currys Wikipedia Page.

Regarding climate change, she thinks that the IPCCreports typically neglect what she calls the "Uncertainty Monster"[4] in projecting future climate trends, which she calls a "wicked problem."[5] Curry also hosts a popular science blog in which she writes on topics related to climate science and the science-policy interface.[6] In 2019 she stated that she would not “bother with” peer-reviewed journals, in favor of publishing her own papers so that she could editorialize and write what she wanted “without worrying about the norms and agendas of the ‘establishment.’”.[7]

Doesn't bother with 'peer review'.......

Ok then.

PopePalpatine

This took me 20 secs.

Tuisceanch

gozunda wrote: »

Well she appears not to be dissimilar in her travel methods to a previous much loved media idol - Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz - when she found herself far from home just had to stamp her feet / click her heels and be magically transported there. Maybe in the spirit of the season she could do the same for the toy show no?



Note the 'denier' in the corner...

Strawman - Agriculture
Tinman - Industry
Cowardly lion (Politicians) - Realizing the need to act but lacking the courage to speak out until a child gives him the confidence to do so.
Wicked Witch of the West - Oil industry
Winged Monkeys - Climate 'Sceptic?' Scientists funded by vested interests.

It's a good analogy. You might be on to something there?

AlekSmart

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will she make an appearance on the toy show tonight ? Considering RTÉ having been going nuts about climate change recently I wouldn’t be surprised

Careful what you wish for.....

If the Irish Independent is any guide we'll soon be seeing a "When Iona met Greta" style moovie....

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/iona-logan-i-hate-this-time-of-year-when-its-all-about-spending-and-consumerism-38737192.html

At the dinner table, instead of a swear jar we have a hypothetical climate change jar, because the amount of times I talk about climate change is ridiculous.

We emailed the 'Toy Show' about making a stand on plastic and trying to bring in more environmentally friendly toys, so we'll see if they paid any attention. It's all about educating people.

Stay tuned to the Toy Show.....;)

Or...alternatively,one could fill that swear jar instead

gozunda

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Strawman - AgricultureTinman - IndustryCowardly lion (Politicians) - Realizing the need to act but lacking the courage to speak out until a child gives him the confidence to do so.Wicked Witch of the West - Oil industryWinged Monkeys - Climate 'Sceptic?' Scientists funded by vested interests.It's a good analogy. You might be on to something there?

You forgot the rampant imaginations of a kid which makes for a good story Lol but I reckon you're getting a bit heavy on the old metaphysics there. Nah for sure just a bit of tongue in cheek humour . But theres defintly something about Dorothy and Gretas ability to get from A to B ... :pac:

Akrasia

gozunda wrote: »

Does everyone who points out that a proposal or political stance does not stand up to scrutiny have to provide a diametric position for you? Why is that? That very odd position not only assumes a fallacy of opposition but where anyone points out that something lacks validity, you bizarrely believe - it is necessary to come up with an alternative. News for you - it doesn't.

And get out of here with 'the message greta is trying to communicate'. She's a teenager - apparently prone to tantruns and exaggeration and getting her own way. And yet hilariously we have those who would hold her up as shining light. But you know that already.

And interestingly my position on the issue you allude to above has not changed btw. So less of the old daft personalisations there thanks.

If you are declaring with certainty that a ‘green new deal’ won’t work, you are presenting yourself as someone with the required knowledge to make such an evaluation,
So using that knowledge you should be able to tell us what we would need to do that would work ( unless you’re saying that reducing anthropogenic GHGs is actually impossible (which it clearly isn’t because for about a million years humans managed to live without altering the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans)

jackboy

Akrasia wrote: »

for about a million years humans managed to live without altering the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans)

For that million years catastrophic climate change occurred over and over again. Regardless of what we do, catastrophic climate change is going to happen. We should try to prepare for this (we won’t), obsessing about carbon is a massive distraction.

Akrasia

[Deleted User] wrote: »

this thread is about what messenger is chosen to deliver what message.

it's not a thread to discuss climate change.

No this is a thread intended for a bunch of politically motivated adults to collectively shout abuse at a well meaning 16 year old girl

If it wasn’t on the topic of climate change it would have been locked months ago

Akrasia

jackboy wrote: »

For that million years catastrophic climate change occurred over and over again. Regardless of what we do, catastrophic climate change is going to happen. We should try to prepare for this (we won’t), obsessing about carbon is a massive distraction.

Locally yes, and entire civilizations were completely destroyed when that happened. Now it’s different. It’s global climate change to a climate state that has not been seen on earth for more than 3 million years ago ( before humans existed)