Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Tell me how

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a new Green Debt, it didn’t exist before.

This is the point, Greta hasn’t a clue what she’s doing. A wealthy family of 4 will end up paying as much in increased carbon tax as a poor family of 4, for the most part.

Won’t effect her because she isn’t weaned yet, but it will effect adults.

You didn't answer the question.

How do you propose dealing with whatever debt may come from tackling current climate damaging practices.

gozunda

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Did The Times also make Greta and Obama their person of the year? What a happy coincidence!

Adolf Hitler and Ayatollah Khomeini as well! As you say happy coincidence!

Fr_Dougal

Tell me how wrote: »

You didn't answer the question.

How do you propose dealing with whatever debt may come from tackling current climate damaging practices.

Don’t take on the debt in the first place.

hetuzozaho

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So making faces at Trump and having temper tantrums about ruined dreams are the criteria for becoming Time magazines person of the year it seems.

You'll have to do more than that I'd imagine Galwayguy.

"influencer" is such a nebulous concept isnt it.

greta responsible for everything good that ever happened since she first decided, or had it suggested to her, that she should sit outside and see if any documentarians passed her.

mad stuff.

mad.

seriously. i think that if you believe any of it, you're bloody mad.

Tell me how

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"influencer" is such a nebulous concept isnt it.

greta responsible for everything good that ever happened since she first decided, or had it suggested to her, that she should sit outside and see if any documentarians passed her.

mad stuff.

mad.

seriously. i think that if you believe any of it, you're bloody mad.

Well, if you believe she's responsible for everything good that has happened, you're definitely mad.

But, if you think she has had no impact or value then, you're something else. Maybe madder, or most probably just ignorant, or bitter. Not sure which. Definitely one I'd say, maybe a bit of all of them.

Tony EH

Is this kid still getting under the skin of "grown adults"?

:pac:

Wanderer78

Tony EH wrote:

Is this kid still getting under the skin of "grown adults"?

Tis weird out, isn't it! A lot of sensitive adults around

KyussB

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Don’t take on the debt in the first place.

You wouldn't even put out a pittiful 0.6% GDP of government bonds a year - presently around ~0% interest EU wide - to work on resolving climate change? Seriously?

Wanderer78

Fr_Dougal wrote:

Don’t take on the debt in the first place.

Tis funny, we seem to have no problems accumulating private and corporate debts largely to fund rising asset prices, but taking on debt to tackle environmental issues is bad! The world is a weird place!

Manic Moran

Gods Gift wrote: »

Why didn’t Greta go to China and put in a few days lecturing the government there on pollution.
They love their coal burning power plants.

Speaking of Chine, I’ve seen a good argument that Person of the Year should go to the Hong Kong democracy protestors. That said, I understand the PotY goes to “influential”, not “great or brave”

ancapailldorcha

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

Wanderer78

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

does it show the fragility of humanity?

silverharp

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

I think its more adults using a kid to push a cause.

Fr_Dougal

KyussB wrote: »

You wouldn't even put out a pittiful 0.6% GDP of government bonds a year - presently around ~0% interest EU wide - to work on resolving climate change? Seriously?

No, not without having all the facts first.

The challenge, the commission said, was the need to find €260 billion in additional annual investment from the state and private sectors, the equivalent of 1.2 per cent of EU GDP in 2018.

Where is this additional annual €260 billion going to come from?
How will the private sector be involved? What will they get in return for their investment? How will the state raise this money?

Ultimately it will be the citizens of the EU who fund that €230 billion annually, what will that look like?

If you can answer all of those questions satisfactorily I’m all in, if you can’t then no thanks.

From what I can see it’s all carbon taxes, or carbon border taxes.

KyussB

The deciding factor on whether or not we have all the facts, is determined by climate scientists, not by politicians or people who keep on nudging the goalposts to infinity as more and more evidence/facts come out.

There is ready access to ~0% interest money - the EU can easily afford 10x that per year, more even.

Wanderer78

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, not without having all the facts first.



Where is this additional annual €260 billion going to come from?
How will the private sector be involved? What will they get in return for their investment? How will the state raise this money?

Ultimately it will be the citizens of the EU who fund that €230 billion annually, what will that look like?

If you can answer all of those questions satisfactorily I’m all in, if you can’t then no thanks.

From what I can see it’s all carbon taxes, or carbon border taxes.

theres nothing stopping eu institutions such as the eib in creating the funds needed to start such initiatives

Fr_Dougal

KyussB wrote: »

The deciding factor on whether or not we have all the facts, is determined by climate scientists, not by politicians or people who keep on nudging the goalposts to infinity as more and more evidence/facts come out.

There is ready access to ~0% interest money - the EU can easily afford 10x that per year, more even.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres nothing stopping eu institutions such as the eib in creating the funds needed to start such initiatives

You haven’t answered my questions regarding the private sector. It’s rare that we see the private sector carry out acts of altruism.

As a taster, let’s bring back water charges; that would be a move in the right direction. But see how that goes down with the public.

gozunda

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.
I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

What's being autistic got to do with it? Oh right - that's what absolutely everyone is commenting about!

I suppose like any public figure - theres going to be some commentary. Some seem not to like that. Odd no?

Though I'd say anyone having a temper tantrum in public whilst blaming everyone else for a crappy childhood etc is going to get the odd comment for sure. As for the rubbish about civilisation ending and other frankly odd utterences - well absolutely that needs some recognition! I'm not sure what award that would be though?

KyussB

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You haven’t answered my questions regarding the private sector. It’s rare that we see the private sector carry out acts of altruism.

As a taster, let’s bring back water charges; that would be a move in the right direction. But see how that goes down with the public.

I don't agree with the structure of the European Green Deal - it's nothing like the GND, it's pitiful - my question was a general one, about allocating money to work on resolving climate change.

It doesn't seem to matter what framework would be used to resolve climate change - you seem to oppose any level of government spending on it.

Wanderer78

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You haven’t answered my questions regarding the private sector. It’s rare that we see the private sector carry out acts of altruism.

As a taster, let’s bring back water charges; that would be a move in the right direction. But see how that goes down with the public.

i personally cant see much coming from the private sector regarding this problem, even though investment will be required from private investors, lowering interest rates hasnt really energised the private sector, i truly believe, we have no choice but to mobilize public institutions such as the eib etc

i do actually believe in things such as metering of water etc, but as you said, that aint gonna happen here anytime soon, water protesters were also correct at the time

Wanderer78

gozunda wrote: »

What's being autistic got to do with it? Oh right - that's what absolutely everyone is commenting about!

Though I'd say anyone having a temper tantrum in public whilst blaming everyone else for a crappy childhood etc is going to get the odd comment for sure. As for the rubbish about civilisation ending and other frankly odd utterences - well absolutely that needs some recognition! I'm not sure what award that would be though?

autism, meltdowns and catastrophisation, yea i cant see the link either

Micky 32

Wanderer78 wrote: »

does it show the fragility of humanity?

Ah that pathetic childish argument because an adult won’t share Greta’s views and opinions or don’t want to join her cult.

Wanderer78

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah that pathetic childish argument because an adult won’t share Greta’s views and opinions or don’t want to join her cult.

only that they are not just gretas views and opinions

Micky 32

Wanderer78 wrote: »

only that they are not just gretas views and opinions

Yes everyone has different views and opinions and i respect that but using her age and autism against a person because they disagree with her is pathetic.

Wanderer78

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes everyone has different views and opinions and i respect that but using her age and autism against a person because they disagree with her is pathetic.

come again?

Micky 32

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

This childish argument i’m talking about when it’s absolutely got nothing to do with her age and autism.

Wanderer78

Micky 32 wrote: »

This childish argument i’m talking about.

id have to agree with it, im finding it somewhat disturbing that this girl is upsetting so many adults, im wondering, whats really wrong with all these adults?

Micky 32

Wanderer78 wrote: »

id have to agree with it, im finding it somewhat disturbing that this girl is upsetting so many adults, im wondering, whats really wrong with all these adults?

I find it more disturbing adults using the above nonsense against other adults who won’t join her cult. Stop talking bo****x

ancapailldorcha

gozunda wrote: »

What's being autistic got to do with it? Oh right - that's what absolutely everyone is commenting about!

I suppose like any public figure - theres going to be some commentary. Some seem not to like that. Odd no?

Though I'd say anyone having a temper tantrum in public whilst blaming everyone else for a crappy childhood etc is going to get the odd comment for sure. As for the rubbish about civilisation ending and other frankly odd utterences - well absolutely that needs some recognition! I'm not sure what award that would be though?

Nah. There's a weird, bordering on perverse obsession with this girl that I've been seeing here for ages. It's just a bit sad that so many people have so little to do with their time.

I gave pretty much all the info I have on her in my previous post. I know nothing else about her but if she elicits so much hatred from the libertarians here then she must be ok.