Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Jesus Christ all this quibbling over a f*cking train seat. Anyway this is what happened.

https://twitter.com/alexandra_u_o/status/1206600200099377160

A first class 'f*cking train seat' to be precise. But anyway

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1206635383276081154?s=20

Sometimes it’s lucky that you are traveling with journalists who can confirm the story...

Indeed ...

Eric Cartman

as journalist who follows greta around all day and whos entire twitter feed is just retweets of greta and adoration for all her infallible words is going to give us a version of the 'real truth' with absolutely no bias at all, not a shred of it, perish the thought.

Micky 32

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Considering the energy and time that Greta is putting in to highlight climate change, I'd be very happy for her to fly first class around the world. Ditto on the train. We need her fit and good to go.

I see your point and i do agree as long as she remembers that before reprimanding someone else for it. Some people need to be fit and good to go aswel.

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

as journalist who follows greta around all day and whos entire twitter feed is just retweets of greta and adoration for all her infallible words is going to give us a version of the 'real truth' with absolutely no bias at all, not a shred of it, perish the thought.

And people terrified they might have to pay a bit more tax on fuel or plastic are going to say anything to vilify this girl and call her out as a fraud. So the whole discussion is kind of pointless.

Kermit.de.frog

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

more socialist values resulting in poor people getting more money.

Hang on, I thought this was all about the climate?

Now it's about socialism?

Professor Moriarty

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see your point and i do agree as long as she remembers that before reprimanding someone else for it. Some people need to be fit and good to go aswel.

Well, I'd be happy to loan her some of my carbon footprint. In the grand scale of things, her travel is infinitely more important than mine.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

And people terrified they might have to pay a bit more tax on fuel or plastic are going to say anything to vilify this girl and call her out as a fraud. So the whole discussion is kind of pointless.

If the government do anything drastic for climate change and it affects the economy you might be a bit terrified yourself when your income tax soars to fill the shortfall.

Thelonious Monk

Micky 32 wrote: »

If the government do anything drastic for climate change and it affects the economy you might be a bit terrified yourself when your income tax soars to fill the shortfall.

I will pay more taxes for better public services and a cleaner world no problem

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I will pay more taxes for better public services and a cleaner world no problem

I always find the people saying this never usually pay much tax to begin with. High earners and companies are already far too overburdened with tax, its not a case of 'id pay more so the bus runs a bit later' its 'if we are forced to pay any more theres no profit in Ireland and its time to leave and make thousands unemployed'

That said if they were to open back up the tax net so that people on under 25k actually paid any tax then it would get you what you want and make sure the people who actually use those services are paying towards them.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I will pay more taxes for better public services and a cleaner world no problem

Didn’t one poster already catch you out on that bs? Something about you fretting about your taxes in another forum? I could be wrong...

Kermit.de.frog

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I will pay more taxes for better public services

I'm out. :cool:

Micky 32

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I always find the people saying this never usually pay much tax to begin with. High earners and companies are already far too overburdened with tax, its not a case of 'id pay more so the bus runs a bit later' its 'if we are forced to pay any more theres no profit in Ireland and its time to leave and make thousands unemployed'

He’s full of sh**t, he’s just been the hero on here trying to get one over on the “deniers”. He won’t like a hand in his pocket. The cost of living in Dublin is insane as it is.

Thelonious Monk

Micky 32 wrote: »

Didn’t one poster already catch you out on that bs? Something about you fretting about your taxes in another forum? I could be wrong...

I asked if it was worth my while renting a place out or getting a roommate while i wasn't in my house for a while and now i do neither as id rather live alone. I think that's what he meant anyway.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I will pay more taxes for better public services and a cleaner world no problem

That’s if the money goes to those causes which i doubt. I

ForestFire

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, I'd be happy to loan her some of my carbon footprint. In the grand scale of things, her travel is infinitely more important than mine.

You cannot give someone your carbon footprint. It makes no sense, the same as buying carbon credits, like the rich somehow think works.

If you save from making carbon emissions great, but how does allowing someone else burn it instead help the planet!

When the rich uses excessive amount, s on there lifestyle, that's it, it's gone into the atmosphere, you cannot pay someone to take it back, it's a cop out....

It's all part of the tax and restrict the masses and keep the rich living it up and paying credits back from the taxes they robbed from us.

Eric Cartman

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s full of sh**t, he’s just been the hero on here trying to get one over on the “deniers”. He won’t like a hand in his pocket. The cost of living in Dublin is insane as it is.

the people who preach higher taxation are the ones that will never feel a hand in their pocket or have their own hands in the states pocket. Its so selfish and self serving , "yeah maybe these people who earn more than me should give more money so I can have more things and they can have less" , a thrillingly easy argument to make when youve never been on the other side of the fence.

Thelonious Monk

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s full of sh**t, he’s just been the hero on here trying to get one over on the “deniers”. He won’t like a hand in his pocket. The cost of living in Dublin is insane as it is.

No houses are pretty cheap where i live as its a bit rough and ready. I wouldn't be able to afford one of the nicer areas.

Micky 32

ForestFire wrote: »

You cannot give someone your carbon footprint. It makes no sense, the same as buying carbon credits, like the rich somehow think works.

If you save from making carbon emissions great, but how does allowing someone else burn it instead help the planet!

When the rich uses excessive amount, s on there lifestyle, that's it, it's gone into the atmosphere, you cannot pay someone to take it back, it's a cop out....

It's all part of the tax and restrict the masses and keep the rich living it up and paying credits back from the taxes they robbed from us.

He’s just playing the hero to make him look good on here and trying to win an argument by making excuses for Greta’s hypocrisy.

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the people who preach higher taxation are the ones that will never feel a hand in their pocket or have their own hands in the states pocket. Its so selfish and self serving , "yeah maybe these people who earn more than me should give more money so I can have more things and they can have less" , a thrillingly easy argument to make when youve never been on the other side of the fence.

So you want the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. A true capitalist. Im happy as is by the way and want for nothing else.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No houses are pretty cheap where i live as its a bit rough and ready. I wouldn't be able to afford one of the nicer areas.

I have seen rough and ready houses up there for rip off prices.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you want the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. A true capitalist. Im happy as is by the way and want for nothing else.

If the economy collapses you’ll be a lot poorer and risk losing your job ( unless you have a gov job) would you give up that for Greta’s first class travels? Me arse!

Professor Moriarty

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s just playing the hero to make him look good on here and trying to win an argument by making excuses for Greta’s hypocrisy.

You're not impressed by me? Awwww. I feel awful now.

Gaoth Laidir

Strange that Greta and her journalist pal haven't tweeted anything about her upgrade to First Class from Frankfurt.

Professor Moriarty

ForestFire wrote: »

You cannot give someone your carbon footprint. It makes no sense, the same as buying carbon credits, like the rich somehow think works.

If you save from making carbon emissions great, but how does allowing someone else burn it instead help the planet!

When the rich uses excessive amount, s on there lifestyle, that's it, it's gone into the atmosphere, you cannot pay someone to take it back, it's a cop out....

It's all part of the tax and restrict the masses and keep the rich living it up and paying credits back from the taxes they robbed from us.

I would make allowances for Greta. For the greater good.

I take it you're not rich.

Micky 32

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You're not impressed by me? Awwww. I feel awful now.

Not to worry, was a good effort ;-)

Kermit.de.frog

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Strange that Greta and her journalist pal haven't tweeted anything about her upgrade to First Class from Frankfurt.

It's all a little galling really the way she is managed.


I'm not saying because she is rich she should not advocate but the way she (or her handlers) have gone about this leaves a sour taste for the vast majority of children and indeed people in the world who will never have what she has.

Easier for them to make so called "sacrifices" and lecture everyone else.

ForestFire

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I would make allowances for Greta. For the greater good.

But it doesn't work like that. It's like being on a desert island with 10 people who are all eating 50 beans a day from your reserve, and your told you all need to cut back to 20 a day if your to make it to rescue day.

Tim the chef has a plan to make the food last longer but he needs more to eat himself to make it work, if he gets your beans he's sure he will have enough energy to now convince the others to also give up theirs, one at a time for more beans for himself. The only problem is Tim's plan actually takes longer than rescue day(to be honest he's plan is not really though out, but sure as long as he gets more food so what).

He has convinced you to give up yours now all he needs now is the other 8 to agree like you.... (I'm sure there are plenty of holes in that analogy, not least all the methane being released from those beans, but it seemed like a bit of fun..... )

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I take it you're not rich.

Well I don't have spare cashing lying around to buy carbon credits, if that's what your asking.

So on a serious note, Do you think carbon credits work? Can the rich buy their co2 back from the skies? Should it be allowed?

splinter65

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As if you give a sh*t about this girl, so stop with the faux concern about neglect and abuse. I think your only concern, which seems to be a common theme with God botherers like yourself, is that green movements will lead to more socialist values resulting in poor people getting more money. All you do is give out about refugees and people on the dole on these boards.

Poor you, too stupid to know that you’re being played like an accordion at the lisdoonvarna festival by your socialist hero’s who snigger and laugh at the likes of you, faithful little comrade thelonious.
I guess your still smarting too from the almighty thumping one of your socialist icons took in the British GE last Friday.
The shock and suprise of being faced with the reality that, unlike you and a minority of other likeminded sheep, all across the developed world millions of people don’t swallow the rubbish that they’re force fed, has left you bitter and isolated.
You know nothing about me or my posts.if you did then you would know that most of my posts are on the state benefits forum where I help people with queries every day.
All you’ve done here is show yourself up as a nasty inadequate malcontent with not too much between your ears.

Professor Moriarty

ForestFire wrote: »

But it doesn't work like that. It's like being on a desert island with 10 people who are all eating 50 beans a day from your reserve, and your told you all need to cut back to 20 a day if your to make it to rescue day.

Tim the chef has a plan to make the food last longer but he needs more to eat himself to make it work, if he gets your beans he's sure he will have enough energy to now convince the others to also give up theirs, one at a time for more beans for himself. The only problem is Tim's plan actually takes longer than rescue day(to be honest he's plan is not really though out, but sure as long as he gets more food so what).

He has convinced you to give up yours now all he needs now is the other 8 to agree like you.... (I'm sure there are plenty of holes in that a analogy, not least all the methane being released from those beans, but it seemed like a bit of fun.....

I don't see it that way. Rich or poor, there will be no escape in generations to come if we don't sort climate change. It's not the desertification that will be the problem, it will be the resource wars. To use another (poetic) analogy:
Sceptre and Crown
Must tumble down,
And in the dust be equal made
With the poor crooked scythe and spade.

Well I don't have spare cashing lying around to buy carbon credits, if that's what your asking.

So on a serious note, Do you think carbon credits work? Can the rich buy their co2 back from the skies? Should it be allowed?

Personally, I think carbon taxes are an immediate first step. Such taxes should hit rich people more than poor simply because the rich have larger carbon footprints. Also, depending on what kind of government you elect, there would be an option to have relief for poorer people.

ForestFire

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Personally, I think carbon taxes are an immediate first step. Such taxes should hit rich people more than poor simply because the rich have larger carbon footprints. Also, depending on what kind of government you elect, there would be an option to have relief for poorer people.

Agree with the above, but think maybe my question should have been, are the rich allowed to make carbon offset payments, i.e Pollute all they like, but pay, what is to them, a tiny amount to offset this and somehow they think that they are not damaging the environment, because they paid?