Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Pa ElGrande

Saving the Earth or Saving Capitalism? The Inconvenient Truth Behind Today’s Youth Climate Campaigns

This week's Global Research News Hour, we consider the possibility that some of the most prominent climate campaigns on the planet, including the Greta Thunberg-led Climate Strikes are in fact being co-opted by the world's most prominent financial elites, via vehicles like large environmental NGOs, to serve a pre-existing agenda having more to do with expanding capitalism than reversing or mitigating climate change. Independent investigative journalist Cory Morningstar is our guest for the hour, and she expands on the theme of her recent series of articles: "The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg – for Consent."

The interview starts at 8 minutes. Her contention is this is about manufacturing consent for the Climate Finance Partnership.



The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg – for Consent: The Political Economy of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex [ACT I]

“What’s infuriating about manipulations by Non Profit Industrial Complex is that they harvest good will of the people, especially young people. They target those who were not given skills and knowledge to truly think for themselves by institutions which are designed to serve the ruling class. Capitalism operates systematically and structurally like a cage to raise domesticated animals. Those organizations and their projects which operate under false slogans of humanity in order to prop up the hierarchy of money and violence are fast becoming some of the most crucial elements of the invisible cage of corporatism, colonialism and militarism.” — Hiroyuki Hamada, artist


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Blueshoe

99problems1 wrote: »

Can't wait for this one to turn 18. She'll be like that boy Hercules..who had the worlds attention and then when he became an adult he lost it all as he wasn't unique then.

Like Macaulay Culkin

weldoninhio

recedite wrote: »

Just make sure you're not standing under it when it tips next year.

Idiots!! They should have sold it to Donald if it’s about to be destroyed!!

Blueshoe

weldoninhio wrote: »

Idiots!! They should have sold it to Donald if it’s about to be destroyed!!

Alaska is chocablock full of resources. Melt the whole thing down and profit

recedite

weldoninhio wrote: »

Idiots!! They should have sold it to Donald if it’s about to be destroyed!!

Maybe next year. There's still one year left on the warrantee. The Danes are tight like that.

Wanderer78

99problems1 wrote: »

Can't wait for this one to turn 18. She'll be like that boy Hercules..who had the worlds attention and then when he became an adult he lost it all as he wasn't unique then.

You d be surprised how determined us asbies can be, I suspect greta will remain determined on this matter for the remainder of her life

James Brown

99problems1 wrote: »

Can't wait for this one to turn 18. She'll be like that boy Hercules..who had the worlds attention and then when he became an adult he lost it all as he wasn't unique then.

That'll show her, right? :rolleyes:

Tell me how

This topic was just discussed on the Hard Shoulder. Fighting the corner of the Greta bashers was Brendan O'Neil of Spiked magazine.
Another reason to side with the scientists saying change is necessary.

He might be just jealous of the attention Greta is getting giving that as a former member of a communist party you'd think he was all for the common good (or at least would profess to be).

Blueshoe

Tell me how wrote: »

This topic was just discussed on the Hard Shoulder. Fighting the corner of the Greta bashers was Brendan O'Neil of Spiked magazine.
Another reason to side with the scientists saying change is necessary.

He might be just jealous of the attention Greta is getting giving that as a former member of a communist party you'd think he was all for the common good (or at least would profess to be).

He might also not be jealous of the attention.

padd b1975

Wanderer78 wrote: »

know little or nothing about them, but autism isnt a malfunction, again, its a developmental disorder, and a relatively common one to

Never said it was.

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

This topic was just discussed on the Hard Shoulder. Fighting the corner of the Greta bashers was Brendan O'Neil of Spiked magazine.
Another reason to side with the scientists saying change is necessary.

He might be just jealous of the attention Greta is getting giving that as a former member of a communist party you'd think he was all for the common good (or at least would profess to be).

Brendan is getting around - 2 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzCMHL1wElI

Ahh Megan Markel is black?..wtf??

Wanderer78

padd b1975 wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

know little or nothing about them, but autism isnt a malfunction, again, its a developmental disorder, and a relatively common one to

Never said it was.

Ah well

gozunda

And the chickens come home to roost or in this case climate extremists with drones ...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058010800/2

We live in interesting times indeed ...

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

And the chickens come home to roost or in this case climate extremists with drones ...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058010800/2

We live in interesting times indeed ...

You do realise that there is a wide sector of society who are interested in climate action without thinking such action is appropriate.

Like people who support they SPCA but think the actions of PETA are excessive.
Like, I think car use should be limited where feasible, doesn't mean I think all cars should be turned off tomorrow. It isn't that complicated.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

You do realise that there is a wide sector of society who are interested in climate action without thinking such action is appropriate. Like people who support they SPCA but think the actions of PETA are excessive. Like, I think car use should be limited where feasible, doesn't mean I think all cars should be turned off tomorrow. It isn't that complicated.

Did I say otherwise? Dont think you would be classified as a climate extremist somehow - Apparently this group is willing to use drones illegally to keep airplanes on the ground

Kimsang

The anger and vitriol from liberal types around "Soph"(youtube) was way more intense than the discourse surrounding Greta.

I see both as mean, they are just young girls too young to fully understand the implications of what they're doing. Both are being used and abused.

mickdw

Crew fly to New York to take boat home.
I know the argument is that she is drawing attention to the cause and even if this event creates a large carbon footprint, it's all worth while.
The issue I have with this is if we all behave just like her and do a grand gesture of green appearance that is not so green at all- where will the planet be then?

Kimsang

mickdw wrote: »

Crew fly to New York to take boat home.
I know the argument is that she is drawing attention to the cause and even if this event creates a large carbon footprint, it's all worth while.
The issue I have with this is if we all behave just like her and do a grand gesture of green appearance that is not so green at all- where will the planet be then?

The planet will be fine, we will just have ruined it for us to live in. The plants will love us for it.

Jimmy Garlic

Kimsang wrote: »

The planet will be fine, we will just have ruined it for us to live in. The plants will love us for it.

More Co2 is great news for vegetation.This planet has been through a lot worse than a moderate increase in Co2.

SafeSurfer

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

• The acid rain scare (popular in the 1980s before the socialist regimes collapsed)
  
• The nuclear winter scare (popular in the 1980s)
  
• The global cooling scare (popular in the 1970s)
  
• The human population scare (popular in the 1970s

Acid rain exists. Nuclear winter didn't happen thankfully (although we came very close to all out nuclear war with several incidents). Global cooling, yeah there were concerns, likewise with warming back in the 70's. Over-population is still a massive problem

So they are all real things, it's just you seem to have a problem with human overreactions to these things. Okay. An overreaction is certainly better than an under-reaction.

the ozone hole will still be there as big as ever as will the polar ice.

It would have been larger if we didn't take action, and it's reportedly starting to receed recently thanks to the fact that we took measures

Acid rain has been extensively and expensively debunked.

To state that overreaction is preferable to under-reaction in the same post in which you state that “nuclear winter didn’t happen Thankfully” is literally laugh out loud funny. Nuclear winter didn’t happen precisely because at times such as the Cuban missile crisis, politicians didn’t panic and didn’t over-react.

Eric Cartman

I think the biggest issue with the ‘climate alarmist’ asgent is the chicken little story where as the above poster illustrates, so many alarmist exagerations have graced our ears over the last 40-50 years that people are tired of it and wont listen.

Hobosan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think the biggest issue with the ‘climate alarmist’ asgent is the chicken little story where as the above poster illustrates, so many alarmist exagerations have graced our ears over the last 40-50 years that people are tired of it and wont listen.

We can well and truly blame politicians here. The likes of Gore and Cortez and many others I'm sure, essentially declaring most life will be gone in a few years unless we act now.

Well, you have to admit, politicians have done the most acting when it comes to Climate Change.

The worst thing one could do if there is a genuine climate emergency, is give inveterate liars the job of delivering the news.

I was concerned about Climate Change until politicians began talking about it. Now my main concern is people demanding the Government solve the problem. That's the stuff of nightmares!

Jimmy Garlic

Hobosan wrote: »

We can well and truly blame politicians here. The likes of Gore and Cortez and many others I'm sure, essentially declaring most life will be gone in a few years unless we act now.

Well, you have to admit, politicians have done the most acting when it comes to Climate Change.

The worst thing one could do if there is a genuine climate emergency, is give inveterate liars the job of delivering the news.

I was concerned about Climate Change until politicians began talking about it. Now my main concern is people demanding the Government solve the problem. That's the stuff of nightmares!

What could possibly go wrong for most of us if "gretas message" became law? Science when it comes to climate is little more than a priesthood now. Same uniform, different colour. Filling the vacuum left behind by JC.

gozunda

Portsalon wrote: »

So Chicken Licken has arrived safely outside the fox's lair. Yay!

What comes next? A big welcoming reception from Goosey Loosey and Cockey Lockey? Let's hope that Stumpy Trumpy doesn't crash the (vegan) picnic.

I suppose the one remaining question now is as to whether or not Foxy Loxy will manage to entice her into his den and gobble her up.

Funny you are not the only one who has picked up on the analogies. This from YouTube. Again points out how the 'child' greta is being used and that pointing that out is not being 'mean' etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hofAsL8q4A

Pa ElGrande

Kimsang wrote: »

The planet will be fine, we will just have ruined it for us to live in. The plants will love us for it.

Why do you ignore the evidence that more of us are living longer and better lives since the agricultural and industrial revolutions took place? Mother nature when given half the chance will actively try and kill us. Or would you prefer to go back to a time when the climate was perfect with high infant mortality and death from what are today preventable diseases, and if you survived all that would you like the limited mobility i.e. You are born a farm labourer, you stay a farm labourer and you marry and live and get married in the same parish all your life only one harvest away from starvation. Lets say you want to emigrate, you got to raise the fare and then when you get to the other country you don't speak the local language and your education levels mean the only options open to you are cheap manual labour or crime, or being used as cannon fodder, then when your get into your 40/50s and your body is spent (the aches and pains from manual labour) and you are no longer as productive with no welfare state to fall back on, you are just going to have to grind on to the end.

For most of the 19th century, the majority of the population in this country spoke Irish as their primary language, it was an agrarian society and that was their life. Do you really want to go back to when the climate was perfect?, That's the logic of the eco-alarmists if they get power and if you don't think that can happen in this day and age, go read what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge did.

The idea that humanity is bad for the planet must be challenged and defeated, failure to do so will lead to the rise of dictators and their supporters whose mission is to implement their own own invalid apocryphal beliefs on the populations they control. Watch those people banding about the term "fertility management", they mean to prevent your children being born not theirs. If we want to catch them at their own game my vote would be for euthanasia and we start with those who advocate not having children and we just correct the mistake their parents made, to begin with. I think the planet will be much safer without them.

weldoninhio

So now that St Greta has arrived in NYC, are we all saved?? Has Mother Earth seen her adventure and decided not to smite us all down??

Pa ElGrande

[QUOTE=mickdw;111120944]Crew fly to New York to take boat home.
I know the argument is that she is drawing attention to the cause and even if this event creates a large carbon footprint, it's all worth while.
The issue I have with this is if we all behave just like her and do a grand gesture of green appearance that is not so green at all- where will the planet be then?[/QUOTE]

What that should tell you is there is serious money behind Greta and what increasingly the people see as the disconnect between the lifestyle of the people who lecture us and their own lives.

Tell me how

weldoninhio wrote: »

So now that St Greta has arrived in NYC, are we all saved?? Has Mother Earth seen her adventure and decided not to smite us all down??

Yeah. That's exactly what has happened. Just like she said it would.
It's all OK now, don't trouble your mind trying to understand anything beyond that, it's obviously a challenge.

Pa ElGrande

weldoninhio wrote: »

So now that St Greta has arrived in NYC, are we all saved?? Has Mother Earth seen her adventure and decided not to smite us all down??

That misses the point Greta is mis-direction (i.e. don't look behind the curtain), the media will open up in the next few weeks with a slew of articles advocating the Paris agreement, Green New Deal, climate finance and more carbon tax in the budget. Interestingly President Macron of France publicly attacked Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro in a nakedly political power move masquerading as benevolent environmentalism. Expect to see a press from Mary Robinson make its way into the Irish media.