Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

99problems1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

How do you know its the same people that ask lidl things on Facebook and call themselves environmentalists that left tents in EP??!

Because there isn't a peep about the dumps.

batgoat

I've checked, there's about half a dozen articles or so about electric picnic and rubbish from the last 5 hours. Plus there was this call from before it started.
http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/calls-for-tent-deposit-at-electric-picnic-to-reduce-waste/

blinding

Why was this pointless journey with Greta and her handlers made across the Atlantic .

Why did they not all just stay at home ?

Stay at homes folks . The most effective thing you can do .

Stevieluvsye

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/the-disturbing-secret-to-the-cult-of-greta-thunberg/news-story/55822063e3589e02707fbb5a9a75d4cc

He's not a fan

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

I've checked, there's about half a dozen articles or so about electric picnic and rubbish from the last 5 hours. Plus there was this call from before it started.
http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/calls-for-tent-deposit-at-electric-picnic-to-reduce-waste/

Looking for clicks and revenue. The aftermath of every festival is the same.

Thelonious Monk

So youre somehow blaming people who care about the environment for leaving tents in electric picnic? And claiming these are the same people who ask lidl to cut down on waste packaging?
I fail to see the link??

99problems1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So youre somehow blaming people who care about the environment for leaving tents in electric picnic? And claiming these are the same people who ask lidl to cut down on waste packaging?
I fail to see the link??

It's the irony of people so vocal about saving on veg packaging (even though it's a drop in the ocean) while these same people aren't saying a peep about the tent issue.

Yet they wouldn't be so quiet if someone like Varadkar was found to have dumped his tent there would they? It'd be all over twitter and social media complaining that he's not "green" at all.

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So youre somehow blaming people who care about the environment for leaving tents in electric picnic? And claiming these are the same people who ask lidl to cut down on waste packaging?
I fail to see the link??

From a quick look at media sources - the majority of the attendees of said the electric picnic appear to belong to the younger generation (ie youf). Taking into account the green climate protests are allegedly being led by said youf (greta et al) and who also engage in much of that campaigns social medias activism - then the poster has most likley made a valid point. It would take a good statistician to come up with the actual figures. Of course there will always be those aged rockers who piss all over peoples tents, buy crap from lidl and complain about the plastic wrapping on facebook. But there you. Then of course we have greta who has detailed how the oceans are being destroyed by humans which upset her so much as a child - lately flinging her **** into the sea. You really couldnt make it up ...

Thelonious Monk

99problems1 wrote: »

It's the irony of people so vocal about saving on veg packaging (even though it's a drop in the ocean) while these same people aren't saying a peep about the tent issue.

How on Earth are these two issues related? If someone is complaining about packaging in Lidl, is it also ironic they're not complaining about rubbish being dumped in the countryside? I don't get your train of thought here.

Pa ElGrande

blinding wrote: »

Why was this pointless journey with Greta and her handlers made across the Atlantic .

Why did they not all just stay at home ?

Stay at homes folks . The most effective thing you can do .

Look behind the curtain there is serious money changing hands. The key phrase is "climate finance" it should be called "climate boondoggle". New York is home to Wall Street and Greta gives the financiers the patina of virtue.


Swedish entrepreneur used Greta Thunberg to raise millions


You can take a gander at the prospectus here (search for greta)




Private sector opportunities in climate finance

Financial and legal experts agreed on the urgency of climate change and declared their desire to be part of its solution, during two dialogues convened by the UN Environment Programme (UNEP). The first event, held in partnership with Kings College London at their campus during the beginning of 2019, was a round table composed of: financial and legal professionals from the private sector and specialist non-governmental organizations, public finance institutions’ representatives (notably from the Bank of England and the Central Bank of France) and academia. The findings of this discussion resulted in the UNEP report Legal Readiness for Climate Finance: Private Sector Opportunities. This report was launched in the aforementioned second dialogue, hosted by Standard Chartered Bank Kenya in Nairobi on 7 July. Here, the findings were shared and deliberated by stakeholders similar to the London event, such as the Nairobi Stock Exchange, advocates and Kenya Climate Innovation Centre.

source

KyussB

Meanwhile, actual/real solutions to the waste problem - like massive R&D for plastic reclamation/recycling, and mass employment/capital put into facilities for such (as well as facilities for more thoroughly recycling electronics and rare earths into renewable power sources) - would probably be deemed Communism, and tantamount to 'seizing the means of production', Stalinist gulags, and a complete conversion of the whole economy into a centrally planned authoritarian state.

More important than discussions of actual solutions though, is the pointing out far-fetched examples of hypocrisy, involving (among other things) a teenage kid flinging their shit into the sea...?!...

Pa ElGrande

KyussB wrote: »

Meanwhile, actual/real solutions to the waste problem - like massive R&D for plastic reclamation/recycling, and mass employment/capital put into facilities for such (as well as facilities for more thoroughly recycling electronics and rare earths into renewable power sources) - would probably be deemed Communism, and tantamount to 'seizing the means of production', Stalinist gulags, and a complete conversion of the whole economy into a centrally planned authoritarian state.

Meanwhile - The firm turning plastic into oil.

And where would we be without political corruption.

Crony Capitalism: $737 Million Green Jobs Loan Given to Nancy Pelosi's Brother-In-Law.
September 29, 2011

Making sense of Solyndra

Republican staffers on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have been sifting through tens of thousands of pages of internal emails, trying to find evidence Solyndra got special treatment from the White House despite a number of warning signs.

Already, they’ve found messages from White House officials pushing to get the Energy Department and Office of Management and Budget to clear some early hurdles in the loan guarantee so that Obama or Vice President Joe Biden could participate in a big groundbreaking ceremony.

The emails also show the company was privately confiding to the Energy Department that it had some cash problems even as it made upbeat assessments elsewhere.

“This really smells pretty bad,” House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said Thursday. “Seeing the documents, they figured that this company was going to be out of cash by September 2011 and it wasn’t ready for prime time. … This is just bad.”

source

Obama administration defends First Solar, Abengoa loan deals

Fisker bankruptcy: Feds to lose $139 million on Fisker Automotive


and on his way out the door, by executive order


Obama Just Took One Final Step to Fight Global Warming
January 17, 2017

President Barack Obama has made one final contribution to the fight against global warming on his way out the White House door. On Tuesday, Obama transferred $500 million to the UN’s Green Climate Fund, a key program set up to finance climate change adaptation and renewable energy projects in developing countries. That’s on top of another $500 million the Obama administration had already given to the fund.

source

And people wonder how former US president Obama is buying a beach front property in Marthas vineyard. The speaking fees rot started with US president Reagan.

99problems1

I wonder what cars Gretas parents drive or house they live in or holidays they go on?

Pa ElGrande

99problems1 wrote: »

I wonder what cars Gretas parents drive or house they live in or holidays they go on?

Why do you wonder? They are parents of a girl who believes in Thermageddon by 2030, they have much greater concerns on their hands and they would likely welcome a holiday.

What type of holidays do you think the financiers cashing in on Greta take?
As it happens one of the yacht owners business is helicoptering the super rich from their super-yachts to Monaco. Now that is hypocrisy.

Stevieluvsye

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Why do you wonder? They are parents of a girl who believes in Thermageddon by 2030, they have much greater concerns on their hands and they would likely welcome a holiday.

What type of holidays do you think the financiers cashing in on Greta take?
As it happens one of the yacht owners business is helicoptering the super rich from their super-yachts to Monaco. Now that is hypocrisy.

Do you or would you vote Green papa grande?

Personally i wouldn't as i trust them as much as Greta

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Meanwhile, actual/real solutions to the waste problem - like massive R&D for plastic reclamation/recycling, and mass employment/capital put into facilities for such (as well as facilities for more thoroughly recycling electronics and rare earths into renewable power sources) - would probably be deemed Communism, and tantamount to 'seizing the means of production', Stalinist gulags, and a complete conversion of the whole economy into a centrally planned authoritarian state.More important than discussions of actual solutions though, is the pointing out far-fetched examples of hypocrisy, involving (among other things) a teenage kid flinging their shit into the sea...

So basically you are still advocating communism then yeah?

Where the figurehead of the current hoggreenwash movement is being held up as an example to all and sundry and has decried the destruction of the ocean by humans - then the same lass choosing to 'fling' her **** in the sea is at the very least hypocrisy and worth highlighting.

As for discussions on solutions- this is specifically a thread about gretas voyage to the new world with added rainbows and pixie dust just in case you haven't noticed...

Not to hijack the thread or anything- there have some very good ideas detailed here and elsewhere which for sure don't involve a centrally centrally planned authoritarian state with forced collectivised labour. But hey most people know that ...

KyussB

Greta is all about solutions to climate change.

There hasn't been a single idea involving a centrally planned authoritarian state, nor forced collectivized labour, in the whole thread - just unfounded screechings of Communism.

Stevieluvsye

KyussB wrote: »

Greta is all about solutions to climate change.

There hasn't been a single idea involving a centrally planned authoritarian state, nor forced collectivized labour, in the whole thread - just unfounded screechings of Communism.

What solutions are these?

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Greta is all about solutions to climate change.
There hasn't been a single idea involving a centrally planned authoritarian state, nor forced collectivized labour, in the whole thread - just unfounded screechings of Communism.

Is she? or is she simply a panicked teenager with aspergers (who inexplicably believes the world is going to end in 2030) who is being used by others?

Not to nitpick however oh yes there has.
There are a whole raft of posters on here and in the other thread who have cleary said otherwise about your ideas involving a centrally planned authoritarian state and forced collectivized labour which have been completely busted already. That you may believe otherwise is neither here nor there.

James Brown

Interesting article.
You have to wonder where the outrage comes from. I don't believe it's all about taxes.

Misogyny, meet hypocrisy: Climate deniers go after AOC, Greta Thunberg with sexist attacks
Climate skeptics don't have science, morality or simple decency on their side — so they're leaning into sexism
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/30/misogyny-meet-hypocrisy-climate-deniers-go-after-aoc-greta-thunberg-with-sexist-attacks/

KyussB

gozunda wrote: »

Is she? or is she simply a panicked teenager with aspergers (who inexplicably believes the world is going to end in 2030) who is being used by others?

Not to nitpick however oh yes there has.
There are a whole raft of posters on here and in the other thread who have cleary said otherwise about your ideas involving a centrally planned authoritarian state and forced collectivized labour which have been completely busted already. That you may believe otherwise is neither here nor there.

People claiming an idea is Communist, or involves a centrally planned authoritarian state, or involves forced collectivized labour - that requires a higher burden of proof than merely claiming the idea is that - posters must show it is that.

I'm fully aware that there's going to be an attempt from multiple posters, at dinging my posts with reports btw, to try to shut me down. Well: I'm on topic, as Greta is precisely about pushing for solutions to climate change - which I've posted - and which if anything would be causing the derailing, would be trying to drag discussion into Communist comparisons with zero argument.

Stevieluvsye

KyussB wrote: »

People claiming an idea is Communist, or involves a centrally planned authoritarian state, or involves forced collectivized labour - that requires a higher burden of proof than merely claiming the idea is that - posters must show it is that.

I'm fully aware that there's going to be an attempt from multiple posters, at dinging my posts with reports btw, to try to shut me down. Well: I'm on topic, as Greta is precisely about pushing for solutions to climate change - which I've posted - and which if anything would be causing the derailing, would be trying to drag discussion into Communist comparisons with zero argument.

What solutions has Greta come up with?

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

People claiming an idea is Communist, or involves a centrally planned authoritarian state, or involves forced collectivized labour - that requires a higher burden of proof than merely claiming the idea is that - posters must show it is that.
I'm fully aware that there's going to be an attempt from multiple posters, at dinging my posts with reports btw, to try to shut me down. Well: I'm on topic, as Greta is precisely about pushing for solutions to climate change - which I've posted - and which if anything would be causing the derailing, would be trying to drag discussion into Communist comparisons with zero argument.

Yawn. So you keep claiming. That discussion is gone. Not only is keeping on and on about it off topic - there is also no grand conspiracy - your argument has simply failed to convince anyone of otherwise tbh. *shrug*

Anyway back to this thread which is about gretas voyage to the new world - see thread title and OPs post if you are in any doubt.

99problems1

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

What solutions are these?

What solutions?

Her only role is to be a kid who is admired for caring about something normally cared about by people much older than her. Then she gets a pat on the head "good girl Greta, aren't you brilliant for caring about such a thing!"

99problems1

I'll start taking this whole thing seriously once people, companies, countries actually make decisions that are going to solve it, like drastically reducing population through restrictions on births.

The whole "I'm saving the planet because I buy my bananas wrapped in paper, not plastic" is an ego thing designed to make people feel better about themselves.

Stevieluvsye

99problems1 wrote: »

What solutions?

Her only role is to be a kid who is admired for caring about something normally cared about by people much older than her. Then she gets a pat on the head "good girl Greta, aren't you brilliant for caring about such a thing!"

It's just crazy that someone who fancied going on the hop every friday is now suddenly the Earths saviour.

Some people are mugs. I'm not one of those mugs

Even RTE managed to get someone on to big week on the farm who provided a part solution that would help with planting more trees and could provide statistical back up of what different kind of trees are more efficient

Stevieluvsye

99problems1 wrote: »

I'll start taking this whole thing seriously once people, companies, countries actually make decisions that are going to solve it, like drastically reducing population through restrictions on births.

The whole "I'm saving the planet because I buy my bananas wrapped in paper, not plastic" is an ego thing designed to make people feel better about themselves.

I will say however that while plastics or the reduction in plastics is not going to save the day it will help significantly with the polluting of the oceans and the adverse affect it has on marine life

gozunda

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Interesting article.You have to wonder where the outrage comes from. I don't believe it's all about taxes...

Nope its not 'outrage' but simple criticism. There's always going to be a few howlers in any current news topic so we can discount those outliers. .

The worrying aspect of all this is that claiming a figurehead can't be criticised even where she is likley being used by others. Though tbh It's probably about a hell of a lot more than taxes tbh.

As for your source - this is what media checker had to say about it lol

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.  They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

KyussB

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

What solutions has Greta come up with?

She's supportive of the Green New Deal, even met specifically with AOC - which is pretty much what my posted solutions here are a variation of.

James Brown

99problems1 wrote: »

I'll start taking this whole thing seriously once people, companies, countries actually make decisions that are going to solve it, like drastically reducing population through restrictions on births.

The whole "I'm saving the planet because I buy my bananas wrapped in paper, not plastic" is an ego thing designed to make people feel better about themselves.

Be great if people tried to raise awareness wouldn't it? Maybe if lots of people start talking about it companies might get more involved? Hmmmm how can say, a teenage girl raise awareness....a head scratcher that....