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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭baaba maal


    she isnt in school because she is a middle aged adult actor posing as a child for this crusade.

    if you can't understand the lengths that these huge campaigns go to to get their point across, then you are merely one of the sheeple. you can't think for yourself, you dont question things and you try and find out what the masses are saying on a topic and you go with that.

    when somebody says anything outside the box, you call them "mentally unhinged" and "deranged" etc etc.

    what is that all about? why do the lemming people who dont think for themselves, or have the capacity to come up with alternative ways of thinking things, always sneer at the idea of questioning things from a different perspective.

    in this case, nobody is actually disputing the existence of CC, more so that people are laughing at the lemmings for hanging on the words of an actor who has been put out in the media to pull on the heartstrings of the vocal masses, who then influence the braindead followers who want to signal virtue and appear to be righteous.

    the reality is, these people simply do not have the ability to form any critical thinking for themselves, and simply follow the herd.


    the herd can be wrong.

    all the lemmings walk off the cliff in the end.

    Would you care to provide some proof for the middle aged actor claim?

    Forgive me if I'm missing some level of sarcasm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    randd1 wrote: »
    Surely they should striking to prevent excess pollution and the effect that pollution has on the eco-system?

    Yes, that's part of the movement. We've no wilderness or forests or anything really left in Ireland, and we're destroying all this all over the world for human consumption at a greater rate than ever. So even if you think Climate Change is nonsense, we won't have anything left sooner or later if we keep destroying and polluting things the way we are. The only way to stop this is a change in our lifestyles, but that goes against the holy scripture of rampant capitalism so I don't really know how any government could implement real change without losing all votes. It's kind of a lost cause which is depressing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    baaba maal wrote: »
    Would you care to provide some proof for the middle aged actor claim?

    Forgive me if I'm missing some level of sarcasm.


    you are not missing sarcasm.
    i dont have "proof".

    why would have proof about a theory that i personally hold??????

    you can dismiss it because some blue haired male feminist did some science, but ok. that's your perogative.
    just dont do what everyone else does as start to call me "Unhinged" or "in need of help" etc just because i have my own theories and thoughts that arent imposed on me by this need that a lot of society seem to have to be "Included".

    think outside the box


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yes, that's part of the movement. We've no wilderness or forests or anything really left in Ireland, and we're destroying all this all over the world for human consumption at a greater rate than ever. So even if you think Climate Change is nonsense, we won't have anything left sooner or later if we keep destroying and polluting things the way we are. The only way to stop this is a change in our lifestyles, but that goes against the holy scripture of rampant capitalism so I don't really know how any government could implement real change without losing all votes. It's kind of a lost cause which is depressing.
    10.5% is currently forest,its highest level in 350 years, and seeing as most of the destruction happened hundreds of years ago that doesn't wash as any kind of argument. You do know we have a plan, right, an imperfect one but a plan nonetheless? Part of that pan is to double forest cover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    is_that_so wrote: »
    10.5% is currently forest,its highest level in 350 years, and seeing as most of the destruction happened hundreds of years ago that doesn't wash as any kind of argument. You do know we have a plan, right, an imperfect one but a plan nonetheless? Part of that pan is to double forest cover.

    Sitka spruce? We are currently doing the least amount possible, there's no money in planting broad leaf trees. Josepha and that stupid heritage bill are bringing back peat extraction from boglands. We need to be doing a lot more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sitka spruce? We are currently doing the least amount possible, there's no money in planting broad leaf trees. Josepha and that stupid heritage bill are bringing back peat extraction from boglands. We need to be doing a lot more.
    25% broadleaf. As I said there is a plan, but not quite the framework for carrying it out just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    is_that_so wrote: »
    25% broadleaf. As I said there is a plan, but not quite the framework for carrying it out just yet.

    Yeah I've read some wishy washy stuff. I don't trust this Gov to do much though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah I've read some wishy washy stuff. I don't trust this Gov to do much though.
    But you trust a 16 year old child to do something? All in good time as they say and the initial concept did come from an all-party committee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But you trust a 16 year old child to do something? All in good time as they say and the initial concept did come from an all-party committee.

    If you trust this Gov to do anything you're nuts. I don't trust Greta to do anything, except raise some awareness which she seems to be doing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Yes, that's part of the movement. We've no wilderness or forests or anything really left in Ireland, and we're destroying all this all over the world for human consumption at a greater rate than ever. So even if you think Climate Change is nonsense, we won't have anything left sooner or later if we keep destroying and polluting things the way we are. The only way to stop this is a change in our lifestyles, but that goes against the holy scripture of rampant capitalism so I don't really know how any government could implement real change without losing all votes. It's kind of a lost cause which is depressing.

    It is a lost cause. The necessary change won't happen. As you say, shareholders won't accept reduced profits. And because too many closed minds can't accept reality. This thread being a perfect example. But it passes time pleasantly to poke those minds with the reality stick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,565 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But you trust a 16 year old child to do something?

    Where does this bullshit thinking come from?

    Do people really believe that there are folk expecting Greta Thunberg to solve anything? What the hell is wrong with you people.

    Absolutely nobody on here has expressed a desire for a 16 year old child to do anything much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    There is, 500 European scientists sent a letter to the UN recently refuting their claims and advising them to stop wasting money on a non problem.

    https://clintel.nl/prominent-scientists-warn-un-secretary-general-guterres/

    You're either disingenuous or you didn't understand what the letter said. Try reading it again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    It is a lost cause. The necessary change won't happen. As you say, shareholders won't accept reduced profits. And because too many closed minds can't accept reality. This thread being a perfect example. But it passes time pleasantly to poke those minds with the reality stick.

    yeah too many closed minds - ie the lemmings like yourself you simple have not got the capacity to think for themselves, and just willingly swallow any ould tripe thats fed down your neck by the media

    do you not think it's possible that "Greta" is an actress put in place to stifle argument about this issue?

    do you think it is possible that Climate Change being pushed in the media is a smokescreen to distract people from bigger issues??

    do you hate Trump, and is that the reason, do you think that a lot of people are so ferociously backing Greta and Climate Change protests?

    i believe that because so many people hate trump they are blindly just following whatever the opposite of his beliefs are.

    that's what is happening here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    yeah too many closed minds - ie the lemmings like yourself you simple have not got the capacity to think for themselves, and just willingly swallow any ould tripe thats fed down your neck by the media

    do you not think it's possible that "Greta" is an actress put in place to stifle argument about this issue?

    do you think it is possible that Climate Change being pushed in the media is a smokescreen to distract people from bigger issues??

    do you hate Trump, and is that the reason, do you think that a lot of people are so ferociously backing Greta and Climate Change protests?

    i believe that because so many people hate trump they are blindly just following whatever the opposite of his beliefs are.

    that's what is happening here.

    I don't hate Trump. I love him bigly. Build that wall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,676 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    She might get away with her temper tantrums for now but if she wants this to be her mission in life in a few years she won't have the excuse of being a kid and will be expected to back up her arguments and come up with her own ideas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    She might get away with her temper tantrums for now but if she wants this to be her mission in life in a few years she won't have the excuse of being a kid and will be expected to back up her arguments and come up with her own ideas.

    If she's highlighting climate change then great. If she's not, then who cares really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭randd1


    It is a lost cause. The necessary change won't happen. As you say, shareholders won't accept reduced profits. And because too many closed minds can't accept reality. This thread being a perfect example. But it passes time pleasantly to poke those minds with the reality stick.

    The big problem is asking people in developed countries to forego virtually every modern comfort, and everyone in developing countries to give up hope of parity.

    There's also the utter ignorance in attitude of developed countries of shifting the blame to them for not controlling ecological destruction there when it's the demand from developed countries causing the destruction.

    It all sounds like "we've polluted to the planet to get where we are, we want what you have so we can remain comfortable, but you should stop wanting to have what we have because you're destroying the planet". I mean, why would the likes of India, Brazil or the African countries give a damn about global warming or ecological destruction when those lecturing are the worst offenders and want to remain in comfort at their expense?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    I don't hate Trump. I love him bigly. Build that wall.

    what about my other questions?

    why are you blindly supporting this cause, when it's the very thing that government rely on so that they can do other nasty sh!t while people are distracted?

    you know they literally are relying on people to be braindead enough to just go along with what they are spoon fed in the media?

    you do know that at least yes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    randd1 wrote: »
    The big problem is asking people in developed countries to forego virtually every modern comfort

    I don't think everything would need to be given up. But when you look at the level of consumption now and all the disposable crap out there and all the little conveniences that have cropped up in our economy for people to make money out of, most of it isn't really necessary. The difference in how we consume now and how we did in the 1980s when I was a child for example is staggering.
    Do people really think we're any happier now?
    We're not, you can't measure happiness or contentness with GDP or materials or being able to order just-eat at 1am.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    randd1 wrote: »
    The big problem is asking people in developed countries to forego virtually every modern comfort, and everyone in developing countries to give up hope of parity.

    There's also the utter ignorance in attitude of developed countries of shifting the blame to them for not controlling ecological destruction there when it's the demand from developed countries causing the destruction.

    It all sounds like "we've polluted to the planet to get where we are, we want what you have so we can remain comfortable, but you should stop wanting to have what we have because you're destroying the planet". I mean, why would the likes of India, Brazil or the African countries give a damn about global warming or ecological destruction when those lecturing are the worst offenders and want to remain in comfort at their expense?


    someone on another thread is trying to actively shut down the discussion of the "class" issue on this.

    they dont want to knwo - 20Cent is the poster.

    they think it's "pathetic" to "try and turn this into a class issue"

    that's what it is!?

    rich people telling poor peope to strop trying to have what they have.

    greta screaming "How dare you" at them pretty much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭begsbyOnaTrain


    someone on another thread is trying to actively shut down the discussion of the "class" issue on this.

    they dont want to knwo - 20Cent is the poster.

    they think it's "pathetic" to "try and turn this into a class issue"

    that's what it is!?

    rich people telling poor peope to strop trying to have what they have.

    greta screaming "How dare you" at them pretty much.

    It's deffo not a class issue. It's just that poor people need to stop going abroad on their filthy package scum holidays. The D4 lot are allowed for their "excursions" to "explore others culture" though because they buy some carbon offset credits. Which may or may not actually have anything to do with some African kid being forced to plant a tree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    I don't think everything would need to be given up. But when you look at the level of consumption now and all the disposable crap out there and all the little conveniences that have cropped up in our economy for people to make money out of, most of it isn't really necessary. The difference in how we consume now and how we did in the 1980s when I was a child for example is staggering.
    Do people really think we're any happier now?
    We're not, you can't measure happiness or contentness with GDP or materials or being about to order just-eat at 1am.

    the big problem is people are thick. they cant think for themselves, and this proves it.

    yes, some people have lived a life reliant on all the contributors to climate change - cars, cheap electronics etc etc.

    i dont partake in driving, i dont use many electronics and i think for myself. i question things.

    the reason this happpened is because dumb people are roped into buying all these things, now they are being roped into buying into this fake shame they should feel for simply living a life they were walked into.

    most people are lemmings with not much going on up there at all.
    you could have 20 degrees and still be thick.

    if you dont question what's going on behind the scenes with these things, then you are thick. simple as that.

    the whole thing is simply a world government attempt at driving the masses in another direction. and it works - it always works, why is that? because people are thick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do you know Greyhound racing has a higher budget from the Gov than our National Parks and Wildlife Service? That shows how little we care for our environment in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭baaba maal


    you are not missing sarcasm.
    i dont have "proof".

    why would have proof about a theory that i personally hold??????

    you can dismiss it because some blue haired male feminist did some science, but ok. that's your perogative.
    just dont do what everyone else does as start to call me "Unhinged" or "in need of help" etc just because i have my own theories and thoughts that arent imposed on me by this need that a lot of society seem to have to be "Included".

    think outside the box

    So you just made it up then. Facts aren't something imposed on you by the great unthinking masses- she is either a teenager or she is an adult actor. You cannot support the latter theory so therefore the former is what you have to accept as the reality. Get some perspective ffs- you may not like her, or her message, but making stuff up just makes you look foolish (I wouldn't "unhinged", foolish covers it sufficiently).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭begsbyOnaTrain


    Do you know Greyhound racing has a higher budget from the Gov than our National Parks and Wildlife Service? That shows how little we care for our environment in Ireland.

    One of the things that got me when I moved to the UK was the National Trust, heritage walks, national parks etc. In Ireland I never heard of work colleagues going on such walks, exploring let alone paying year fees to be a member of a club preserving things!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    randd1 wrote: »
    The big problem is asking people in developed countries to forego virtually every modern comfort, and everyone in developing countries to give up hope of parity.

    There's also the utter ignorance in attitude of developed countries of shifting the blame to them for not controlling ecological destruction there when it's the demand from developed countries causing the destruction.

    It all sounds like "we've polluted to the planet to get where we are, we want what you have so we can remain comfortable, but you should stop wanting to have what we have because you're destroying the planet". I mean, why would the likes of India, Brazil or the African countries give a damn about global warming or ecological destruction when those lecturing are the worst offenders and want to remain in comfort at their expense?

    Agree completely. It's why the necessary changes won't happen. Look at Bolsonaro, Modi and the leaders of all the major African countries. They don't give a damn about climate change. They wouldn't be elected if they did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    It's deffo not a class issue. It's just that poor people need to stop going abroad on their filthy package scum holidays. The D4 lot are allowed for their "excursions" to "explore others culture" though because they buy some carbon offset credits. Which may or may not actually have anything to do with some African kid being forced to plant a tree.

    it actually makes me sick to my stomach.

    there are parallels to the Opioid crisis going on in US at the moment with the Sackler family.

    basically the Sackler family are filthy stinking rich - why? because they own multiple pharma companies that solely produce opiate products such as the extremely addictive Oxycontin. they market all of their highly addictive drugs to the masses (the braindead masses might i add) who lapped it up.

    do you know what they said when accused of peddling drugs, and being as bad as drug dealers?

    they said that "junkies ruined it".

    these rich people can not see beyond their own stance and place in the world, and when it all goes t!ts up, or their wealth and way of life is threatened they always ALWAYS place the blame on the poor, or the people who they wrongly perceive as being "under" them.

    it's the same thing with Climate Change. it is a class issue by the very fact that it is Rich mostly white northern europeans and americans who[s lifestyle is under threat and they are trying to figure a way of keeping the poor where they are, and stifling their growth.

    it's sick. the whole thing is ridiculously obvious to anybody with half a brain cell and who can think about things a bit differently to what they are being told to think.

    DDDDDUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭baaba maal


    you are not missing sarcasm.
    i dont have "proof".

    why would have proof about a theory that i personally hold??????

    you can dismiss it because some blue haired male feminist did some science, but ok. that's your perogative.
    just dont do what everyone else does as start to call me "Unhinged" or "in need of help" etc just because i have my own theories and thoughts that arent imposed on me by this need that a lot of society seem to have to be "Included".

    think outside the box
    And a quick perusal of you posts leads to:

    "sorry there little rosie,

    a) you're supposedly ignoring me? (childish)
    b) you keep repeating the same nonsense and not backing ANYTHING up.

    you have your own (flawed and ignorant) opinion on the matter and i have mine, based on fact, study and lets just say a damn good bit of insider knowledge on the topic.

    you keep saying i'm crazy. fair enough, say what you like, but it only makes me realise, the more insults and insinuations of me being mad/crazy/have issues you make, then it just proves to me that you in fact have no interest in the topic of the thread at all, and are in fact just here to TRY and be provocative and cause a stir.

    i simply dont care what you think. i know, you are WRONG.


    So, apparently, you used to think facts mattered, but not any more. Carry on calling people sheeple though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    baaba maal wrote: »
    So you just made it up then. Facts aren't something imposed on you by the great unthinking masses- she is either a teenager or she is an adult actor. You cannot support the latter theory so therefore the former is what you have to accept as the reality. Get some perspective ffs- you may not like her, or her message, but making stuff up just makes you look foolish (I wouldn't "unhinged", foolish covers it sufficiently).

    no

    see you are proviing my point. you are a lemming.

    "so therefore the formers IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT AS THE REALITY"

    no it isnt.
    jesus christ what is wrong with that thinking? LEMMING

    the lemmings all die in the end btw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's deffo not a class issue. It's just that poor people need to stop going abroad on their filthy package scum holidays. The D4 lot are allowed for their "excursions" to "explore others culture" though because they buy some carbon offset credits. Which may or may not actually have anything to do with some African kid being forced to plant a tree.

    Filthy package scum holidays may actually be the most sustainable holidays out there

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/08/16/inenglish/1565957243_987942.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    baaba maal wrote: »
    And a quick perusal of you posts leads to:

    "sorry there little rosie,

    a) you're supposedly ignoring me? (childish)
    b) you keep repeating the same nonsense and not backing ANYTHING up.

    you have your own (flawed and ignorant) opinion on the matter and i have mine, based on fact, study and lets just say a damn good bit of insider knowledge on the topic.

    you keep saying i'm crazy. fair enough, say what you like, but it only makes me realise, the more insults and insinuations of me being mad/crazy/have issues you make, then it just proves to me that you in fact have no interest in the topic of the thread at all, and are in fact just here to TRY and be provocative and cause a stir.

    i simply dont care what you think. i know, you are WRONG.


    So, apparently, you used to think facts mattered, but not any more. Carry on calling people sheeple though.



    i didnt post that you moron


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    One of the things that got me when I moved to the UK was the National Trust, heritage walks, national parks etc. In Ireland I never heard of work colleagues going on such walks, exploring let alone paying year fees to be a member of a club preserving things!

    Yeah we don't have that heritage mainly because we didn't have a landed gentry to be interested in this kind of thing. We should be now though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    baaba maal wrote: »
    And a quick perusal of you posts leads to:

    "sorry there little rosie,

    a) you're supposedly ignoring me? (childish)
    b) you keep repeating the same nonsense and not backing ANYTHING up.

    you have your own (flawed and ignorant) opinion on the matter and i have mine, based on fact, study and lets just say a damn good bit of insider knowledge on the topic.

    you keep saying i'm crazy. fair enough, say what you like, but it only makes me realise, the more insults and insinuations of me being mad/crazy/have issues you make, then it just proves to me that you in fact have no interest in the topic of the thread at all, and are in fact just here to TRY and be provocative and cause a stir.

    i simply dont care what you think. i know, you are WRONG.


    So, apparently, you used to think facts mattered, but not any more. Carry on calling people sheeple though.



    you are outtingyourself as a creep and a troll. scouring the posts to try and derail any opinion that doest fit the mould.

    i genuinely feel sorry for zombies like you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    She might get away with her temper tantrums for now but if she wants this to be her mission in life in a few years she won't have the excuse of being a kid and will be expected to back up her arguments and come up with her own ideas.[/QUO


    The vested interests will have another pawn to push their agenda by then.
    They may even change the title from Climate Change (previously Global warming) to something more sophisticated.
    BTW the 'hole' in the ozone layer (remember that one) is disappearing.:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    no

    see you are proviing my point. you are a lemming.

    "so therefore the formers IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT AS THE REALITY"

    no it isnt.
    jesus christ what is wrong with that thinking? LEMMING

    the lemmings all die in the end btw

    You keep calling people lemmings. Lemmings do not commit mass suicide by jumping off cliffs. All living creatures die in the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 312 ✭✭73bc61lyohr0mu


    the big problem is people are thick. they cant think for themselves, and this proves it.

    yes, some people have lived a life reliant on all the contributors to climate change - cars, cheap electronics etc etc.

    i dont partake in driving, i dont use many electronics and i think for myself. i question things.

    the reason this happpened is because dumb people are roped into buying all these things, now they are being roped into buying into this fake shame they should feel for simply living a life they were walked into.

    most people are lemmings with not much going on up there at all.
    you could have 20 degrees and still be thick.

    if you dont question what's going on behind the scenes with these things, then you are thick. simple as that.

    the whole thing is simply a world government attempt at driving the masses in another direction. and it works - it always works, why is that? because people are thick.

    That had to be one of the most condescending posts I've read on here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    You keep calling people lemmings. Lemmings do not commit mass suicide by jumping off cliffs. All living creatures die in the end.

    they all follow each other off the cliff.

    you all follow each other because you think that makes you right about things, when it doesnt all the time.
    you are brainwashed. you are a lemming, you can not think things for yourself.

    maybe the blue hair dye is seeping into your brains or something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Filthy package scum holidays may actually be the most sustainable holidays out there

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/08/16/inenglish/1565957243_987942.html

    Sticking with the topic of aviation pollution. The Guardian reported that 1% of English residents take 20% of overseas flights.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    That had to be one of the most condescending posts I've read on here.

    oh, and what? boo hoo? who cares if it is condescending. it's meant to be.

    you should all feel like thick fools for not being able to think for yourselves.

    why are so many people incapable of just thinking or saying something different. who cares if it is wrong or right, just think for yourselves, and stop following each other around.
    you are leading us to doom


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Sticking with the topic of aviation pollution. The Guardian reported that 1% of English residents take 20% of overseas flights.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows

    Yes and 80% of the planet will never fly. We would really need some kind of flight rationing but again that will never happen. Meanwhile newspapers celebrating the fact that Ryanair are adding even more routes out of Cork and Dublin. How many do we need at this stage ffs, Dublin airport is already a bloody nightmare as is.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,652 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    dont bother is taking a break from the forum, and when they return they will be banned from posting in this thread again, so there's no need to continue responding to them

    Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Yes and 80% of the planet will never fly. We would really need some kind of flight rationing but again that will never happen. Meanwhile newspapers celebrating the fact that Ryanair are adding even more routes out of Cork and Dublin. How many do we need at this stage ffs, Dublin airport is already a bloody nightmare as is.

    I don't entirely disagree but much of Ireland's prosperity is enabled by Aviation. Per passenger per km travelled it's not that polluting a method of travel either.

    I think a policy of beginning with low hanging fruit is essential to realistic successful climate policies. Eg start with international coal phaseouts and an international end to fossil fuel subsidies. In turn it enables further measures that can progressively green the economy.

    The current strategy of hypocritical virtue signaling over minor issues, with cultural revolution style criticism sessions for any naysayers or even those with questions, has only alienated people and driven them into the arms of climate change deniers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I saw a Ryanair ad last night and at the bottom of the screen it had a new line " the low emissions airline" or something to that affect, lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But you trust a 16 year old child to do something? All in good time as they say and the initial concept did come from an all-party committee.

    Christ you still don't get it.

    Greta is close to the limit of what she could do until she is older, more qualified. She can still continue to do what she's doing, and there will be merit in that but, as she is blue in the face from saying, it's the scientists and innovators, inventors etc, aided by government who must do the doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Christ you still don't get it.

    Greta is close to the limit of what she could do until she is older, more qualified. She can still continue to do what she's doing, and there will be merit in that but, as she is blue in the face from saying, it's the scientists and innovators, inventors etc, aided by government who must do the doing.

    Whats she going to qualify in when she hasn't/isn't even finished/ing secondary school??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Whats she going to qualify in when she hasn't/isn't even finished/ing secondary school??

    She's on a gap year.

    I bet colleges will be lining up to offer scholarships to her given what she has done and the experiences she's had.
    Or she might stay focused on activism, I don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    She's on a gap year.

    I bet colleges will be lining up to offer scholarships to her given what she has done and the experiences she's had.
    Or she might stay focused on activism, I don't know.

    She could probably get entry to any Ivy League school in the US. Knowing our Greta she'll want to stay in Sweden though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭baaba maal


    you are outtingyourself as a creep and a troll. scouring the posts to try and derail any opinion that doest fit the mould.

    i genuinely feel sorry for zombies like you

    Sincere apologies- I quoted somebody else in that thread- and it wasn't you claiming facts as being important after all.

    Calling somebody a creep and a troll for going through a posters previous posts (in this case genuinely trying to see what else you would comment on as a way of tying to understand where you're coming from with all the vitriol) is childish.

    My conclusion is you aren't interested in objective reality on this subject and revert to namecalling instead of engaging with the points put to you. There is really no point in discussing any of this with you as you are just an angry ball of conspiracy anti-science nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    She could probably get entry to any Ivy League school in the US. Knowing our Greta she'll want to stay in Sweden though.

    Yep, absolutely climate justice material in university, where her publications will be peer reviewed. She will do well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Whats she going to qualify in when she hasn't/isn't even finished/ing secondary school??

    Who cares?


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