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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Go Nuclear or Go Home!

    I'm sneaking off for a nice Indian. With rice AND Naan bread!

    Take care.

    rb

    Indian.... Nuclear.... I think you should most definitely stay at home... :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    (12 years left)

    * I hadn't noticed that connection.

    Thanks, sabat. "doomsday cult" might be correct


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Climate Marxists using children to carry the Soviet flag around Limerick

    That is this **** in a nutshell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Bad PC so couldn't like the post...

    but vladmydad nailed it. #cult

    Wrong. Again. One fanatical poster out of 4 million does not qualify as a cult.

    Particularly so when the climate activists are motivated by scientific reports.

    The denial of climate action is more akin to being a cult given the dedication to ignoring any evidence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Wrong. Again. One fanatical poster out of 4 million does not qualify as a cult.

    Particularly so when the climate activists are motivated by scientific reports.

    The denial of climate action is more akin to being a cult given the dedication to ignoring any evidence.

    Alright so climate action man, who wrote the last scientific report that you have read?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Alright so climate action man, who wrote the last scientific report that you have read?

    The IPCC.

    What about yours?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not at all surprising.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    . . . .
    Particularly so when the climate activists are motivated by scientific reports. . . .

    They don't read any science reports on climate. When challenged they can't even quote the part of the science report that backs up their claims, the material they get sounds "sciency" but they are are only green coloured material authored by the likes of an Taisce.

    Take Greta Thunberg, the queen of climate alarmism. We were all waiting to hear what she had to say, so she wisely said almost nothing. She merely tabled the October 2018 IPCC report looking at the small differences between future warming of 0.5 degrees and 1.0 degrees C.

    Thunberg told the American congress that they should read this report and that they were not doing enough. She never said what was important in the report, if anything, or what the Americans should be doing that they are not already doing. I am sure she did not want to be cross examined on specific statements and the congress people did not read it either.


    I have a dream that the powerful take the climate crisis seriously. The time for their fairytales is over
    And why is it so important to stay below the 1.5 degree limit? Because that is what the united science calls for, to avoid destabilising the climate, so that we stay clear of setting off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control. Even at 1 degree of warming we are seeing an unacceptable loss of life and livelihoods.

    source

    No science reports support that statement from Greta, that's all in her imagination. In fact the reports show something else entirely.


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    These people did not arrive at their conclusions from science reports, they got there through the efforts of NGOs pushing fake news.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    I genuinely don't get what the problem is with environmental improvement suggestions. Take stopping littering the seas with plastic for example.

    Is there some benefit to it? Do we want to live in a rubbish tip?

    What is the problem with waste reduction that I don't see?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    pwurple wrote:
    Is there some benefit to it? Do we want to live in a rubbish tip?


    Its rather disturbing that some humans can't see this, some people just don't give a fcuk


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    pwurple wrote: »
    I genuinely don't get what the problem is with environmental improvement suggestions. Take stopping littering the seas with plastic for example.


    There are two parts to that for some people environmental improvement means a substantial reduction in the human population for others environmental improvement means implementing their brand of socialism (aka Climate Justice) and for most of us it means a a clean safe place to live.


    The other part goes into plastic use and plastic recycling, most people don't care about what happens to plastic as long as it's out of their immediate view, in fact plastic recycling is not what most people thing it is - it is exported to South East Asia where is is either burned or goes to landfill. The problem is sorting it as there are different types that qall get thrown into the same bin. There are technical solutions available now like converting plastic to oil but the usual suspects reject this.


    There are other issues under investigation like the sperm count decline in men that is being linked to plastic.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    pwurple wrote: »
    I genuinely don't get what the problem is with environmental improvement suggestions. Take stopping littering the seas with plastic for example.

    Is there some benefit to it? Do we want to live in a rubbish tip?

    What is the problem with waste reduction that I don't see?

    No one has a problem with this.

    That is an environmental issue.

    Climate change and it’s hoax it’s a total different issue.

    Plastic has nothing to do with the climate changing.

    More taxes on fossil fuels isn’t going to stop plastic ending up on a beach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    lola85 wrote: »
    No one has a problem with this.

    That is an environmental issue.

    Climate change and it’s hoax it’s a total different issue.

    Plastic has nothing to do with the climate changing.

    More taxes on fossil fuels isn’t going to stop plastic ending up on a beach.

    Same thing. Polluting the air with gaseous waste is yet more litter.

    It's just phunting rubbish into the sky.


    How do you sit on burning down rainforest to mine trinkets like crystal decorations and amber necklaces? Happy days or needless waste?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Wrong. Again. One fanatical poster out of 4 million does not qualify as a cult.

    Particularly so when the climate activists are motivated by scientific reports.

    The denial of climate action is more akin to being a cult given the dedication to ignoring any evidence.
    The denialists are the same as the right-wing Libertarian cult from earlier in the decade - same network of think-tanks and everything - you can best spot them, as they are always raving about Communists/Marxists etc. - even though nobody here is Marxist/Communist, and nobody in Ireland, outside of Libertarians on Boards perhaps, gets rabid about conspiracy theories involving Communists.

    They have exactly the same style of disrupting constructive debate. Same network of think-tanks. Same imperviousness to evidence. Same uncritical regurgitation of easily discredited sources - especially the regular use of argument-by-YouTube (videos that nobody watches). Same style of appeal-to-emotion based arguments, dividing debate into a dichotomy of two tribalistic sides, coupled with backslapping, browbeating, and trying to maintain an echo chamber of denialist views.

    It's astroturfing. Boards gets targeted for it, because anywhere else the same comments get voted out of view.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    How many plane flights did the crew of Gretas boat take ? Will she be going back to europe on a boat ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    KyussB wrote: »
    . . . . .as they are always raving about Communists/Marxists etc. - even though nobody here is Marxist/Communist, and nobody in Ireland, outside of Libertarians on Boards perhaps, gets rabid about conspiracy theories involving Communists.
    . . . .


    Beneath the science veneer and you will find radical far-left enviro-activist types infiltrating the cause and promoting themselves.


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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    KyussB wrote: »
    The denialists are the same as the right-wing Libertarian cult from earlier in the decade - same network of think-tanks and everything - you can best spot them, as they are always raving about Communists/Marxists etc. - even though nobody here is Marxist/Communist, and nobody in Ireland, outside of Libertarians on Boards perhaps, gets rabid about conspiracy theories involving Communists.


    Pretty much every major street protest in Dublin on social issues is filled with Communist/Soviet union flags (carried by young/not old people) who seem utterly oblivious/not giving a damn about the history behind the Soviet union.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    How many plane flights did the crew of Gretas boat take ? Will she be going back to europe on a boat ?


    That's not the issue for Greta, it's who is leading her on.


    What was #Greta Thunberg Taught, and Who Taught Her about It?
    At the moment, she faces no pressure to back up any science assertions she makes, or any political accusations she might make against critics. There’s already efforts underway to insulate her from that via ‘attack the attacker’ tactics, but they are downright laughable and of course are ultimately unsustainable. She must be protected at all costs because she can’t answer serious due diligence-style questions.

    It’s a microcosm for the larger global warming issue. Al Gore and the scientists on his side fear losing a science-based debate, so they call their critics ‘fossil fuel industry-paid/orchestrated shills.’ It’s been an amazingly effective propaganda tactic: “the science is settled” / “skeptics are industry-corrupted” / “reporters may therefore ignore skeptic material because of points 1 & 2.” Don’t even think of asking an innocent teenage girl rough questions about her sources of science information.

    <snip>

    In the interim time, we should take the focus off her personally, and focus as harshly as we can on what specifically was taught to her, who did the teaching, who in the scientific community is currently doing the fact-checking of her speeches, and whether those ‘fact-checkers’ are actually writing her speeches and telling her what to say.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Pretty much every major street protest in Dublin on social issues is filled with Communist/Soviet union flags (carried by young/not old people) who seem utterly oblivious/not giving a damn about the history behind the Soviet union.

    Tells you what's in our School System now.

    Dennis Miller said it best : "There are more Communists in our school system than there was in Russia at the height of the Soviet Union."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    sabat wrote: »
    This is really resembling an Aquarian doomsday cult at this stage. The messianic virginal leader, a specific end of the world date (12 years left), the deliberate recruitment of masses of young people etc.

    Its a religion to these people.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Its a religion to these people.

    and we get paid well for it to, tis fecken great


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    and we get paid well for it to, tis fecken great

    Oh, its a safe bet that most of them are paid to be there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Oh, its a safe bet that most of them are paid to be there.

    damn right, i got a good few quid out of it, easy money


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    i see that "climate change deniers" has morphed into "climate action deniers"

    i wonder what the difference is? both mean, of course, "people who dont do what i say despite my having zero authority over them"

    and it's worth repeating again that painting anyone who has doubts over populist extremism such as that pushed by brand greta as "deniers" makes the person saying it look like....well.....exactly what they are.

    people can have these doubts and still be all for green living, doing more for the environment, etc.

    when you have to box anyone who doesnt toe your line to the inch into the category of "enemy" you are the problem, not them

    i spose id better mention communism and capitalism, tho ive no idea why.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    They don't read any science reports on climate. When challenged they can't even quote the part of the science report that backs up their claims, the material they get sounds "sciency" but they are are only green coloured material authored by the likes of an Taisce.

    Take Greta Thunberg, the queen of climate alarmism. We were all waiting to hear what she had to say, so she wisely said almost nothing. She merely tabled the October 2018 IPCC report looking at the small differences between future warming of 0.5 degrees and 1.0 degrees C.

    Thunberg told the American congress that they should read this report and that they were not doing enough. She never said what was important in the report, if anything, or what the Americans should be doing that they are not already doing. I am sure she did not want to be cross examined on specific statements and the congress people did not read it either.


    I have a dream that the powerful take the climate crisis seriously. The time for their fairytales is over



    No science reports support that statement from Greta, that's all in her imagination. In fact the reports show something else entirely.


    fonOoe2.png


    These people did not arrive at their conclusions from science reports, they got there through the efforts of NGOs pushing fake news.

    I have never in my life read a scientific study about the effects of smoking.
    Should I therefore not have an opinion on the harm cigarettes do?
    The vast majority of climate scientists, NASA, IPCC have have provided the science.
    Most people are not qualified or have the time to read first hand scientific studies.
    It is however really easy to trawl the internet to find alternative narratives.
    I will continue to listen to the experts on this issue, not infowars or fox news.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    joe40 wrote: »
    They don't read any science reports on climate. When challenged they can't even quote the part of the science report that backs up their claims, the material they get sounds "sciency" but they are are only green coloured material authored by the likes of an Taisce.

    Take Greta Thunberg, the queen of climate alarmism. We were all waiting to hear what she had to say, so she wisely said almost nothing. She merely tabled the October 2018 IPCC report looking at the small differences between future warming of 0.5 degrees and 1.0 degrees C.

    Thunberg told the American congress that they should read this report and that they were not doing enough. She never said what was important in the report, if anything, or what the Americans should be doing that they are not already doing. I am sure she did not want to be cross examined on specific statements and the congress people did not read it either.


    I have a dream that the powerful take the climate crisis seriously. The time for their fairytales is over



    No science reports support that statement from Greta, that's all in her imagination. In fact the reports show something else entirely.


    fonOoe2.png


    These people did not arrive at their conclusions from science reports, they got there through the efforts of NGOs pushing fake news.

    I have never in my life read a scientific study about the effects of smoking.
    Should I therefore not have an opinion on the harm cigarettes do?
    The vast majority of climate scientists, NASA, IPCC have have provided the science.
    Most people are not qualified or have the time to read first hand scientific studies.
    It is however really easy to trawl the internet to find alternative narratives.
    I will continue to listen to the experts on this issue, not infowars or fox news.

    The cause/effect relationship of smoking is a ridiculous comparison to the cause/effect relationship of carbon and climate. One would have to be simplistic to make such a comparison.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    joe40 wrote: »
    I have never in my life read a scientific study about the effects of smoking.
    Should I therefore not have an opinion on the harm cigarettes do?

    Your analogy failed because Greta tells you to listen to the scientists and gives you a report to read which it turns out does NOT support her catastrophic claims.

    No reputable scientist supports Gretas catastrophism and it is likely they are disgusted that their work is being claimed as the basis to make such outrageous statements that in turn undermines their credibility. Wherever they originate Gretas claims are not based on science.

    This is about the left side of politics wanting a revolution based on CAGW or at least capturing enough mind share to have these children in ten years all voting in a socialist government.


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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Your analogy failed because Greta tells you to listen to the scientists and gives you a report to read which it turns out does NOT support her catastrophic claims.

    No reputable scientist supports Gretas catastrophism and it is likely they are disgusted that their work is being claimed as the basis to make such outrageous statements that in turn undermines their credibility. Wherever they originate Gretas claims are not based on science.

    This is about the left side of politics wanting a revolution based on CAGW or at least capturing enough mind share to have these children in ten years all voting in a socialist government.


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    Greta is not important, and everyone knows she is not a scientists and she has never claimed to be a scientist.
    She is simply raising awareness, and promoting the IPCC reports.
    Everything else is just noise, but it is the thing people that who don't want to accept climate change is a problem latch onto.
    It is easy to ridicule what you call alarmism, but the world is undoubtedly facing a huge crisis caused by climate change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭JoeCasey


    Outside of WWIII how is anyone going to convince the rest of the world to go green?
    Europe and the US make up 25% of emissions.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    joe40 wrote: »
    Greta is not important, and everyone knows she is not a scientists and she has never claimed to be a scientist.
    She is simply raising awareness, and promoting the IPCC reports.
    Everything else is just noise, but it is the thing people that who don't want to accept climate change is a problem latch onto.
    It is easy to ridicule what you call alarmism, but the world is undoubtedly facing a huge crisis caused by climate change.
    This seems to suggest that awareness didn't exist before she found it. The kid is great but will not find answers any more than the forest of articles that are bordering on hysterical. Aside from terrifying some people it also runs the risk of campaign fatigue and is to use your term "noise".

    Is it a huge crisis? I don't know but we should be looking at methods of mitigating some of the human effects in a lot of areas.

    Do we really have 12 years? Very doubtful that's true and even scientists will admit the picture is not fully clear. People do need big questions to concern themselves with and this is the CND/Civil Rights protests of the 21st century. The real problem is that the protesters for all their impatient demands will not be the ones who find solutions.


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