Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

robinph

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Surprised no one is asking how will the EU respond to no deal being taken off the table?

Will their stance harden?

Remember Boris is in Dublin on Monday...

The EU don't care that no deal is cancelled. Nothing for them to say other than "oh, that's nice".

gmisk

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Andrea leadsom talking about a deal. What deal are they talking about ?

It's er a secret?....so much so the EU haven't been told anything.

is_that_so

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Surprised no one is asking how will the EU respond to no deal being taken off the table?

Will their stance harden?

Remember Boris is in Dublin on Monday...

They won't do anything much until Britain shows up with a new plan. Judging by whats rumoured it'll still be no change as it will be on Monday.

Headshot

What an epic tv tonight, Bercow was the star of the show once again.

But fair play to the rebels in the conservatives, of course it wasnt easy but they stood up when their country need them and did was best for their country.

Pity other politicians only care for personal glory or their party

gmisk

maynooth_rules wrote: »

But she has children, which makes her better

She is constantly putting her foot in her mouth I almost forgot about that one!

0gac3yjefb5sv7

What does tonight mean overall? Any chance of a Brexit extension or referendum not to leave?

BoJack Horseman

awec wrote: »

Johnson's legs have been taken from under him. He's a lame duck.

A Prime Minister who has lost his authority straight out the gate. This will have long term ramifications for him, even if the tories do win an eventual election.

It has ramifications for every future Prime Minister.

This is a massive precedent.

If Parliament doesn't like something Comrade Jezz cooks up 2 years from now, they can compel Corbyn to accept a decision they or any supra-national body decide, on any matter whatsoever.

LeinsterDub

martingriff wrote: »

There is only 2 ways the Conservatives will not be in government in that election if it happens.

1) Labour and the other parties come together in how to select people for an election so its 1 on 1
2) Or Labour and other parties get together for a coalition and set it out for the election and then have a majority

3) The Brexit party take a share of their vote.

is_that_so

martingriff wrote: »

There is only 2 ways the Conservatives will not be in government in that election if it happens.

1) Labour and the other parties come together in how to select people for an election so its 1 on 1
2) Or Labour and other parties get together for a coalition and set it out for the election and then have a majority

Either of this is possible and let's not forget the Farage influence in all of this.

Infini

figges wrote: »

Something more sinister I suspect. Something heinous, in his mind at least. When men of integrity say things like that its a bit worrying.

Likely it's the fear that a no deal will unleash the kind of chaos that gets people killed and spirals into the kind of stuff that brought about Nazi Germany, they havent gone quite over the line but there's been quite a few echos of what happened to weimar of course.

gooch2k9

Headshot wrote: »

What an epic tv tonight, Bercow was the star of the show once again.

But fair play to the rebels in the conservatives, of course it wasnt easy but they stood up when their country need them and did was best for their country.

Pity other politicians only care for personal glory or their party

They have to do it again tomorrow. It sounds like they haven't had the whip removed tonight. They will be put under serious pressure tomorrow by No.10.

A Dub in Glasgo

devnull wrote: »

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List of Rebels on both sides.

Looks like not one Scottish Tory MP rebelled, what a bunch of wasters they are

declanflynn

InTheShadows wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

Tories are finished

Dream on pal.

It's funny, the Brits want to leave the EU but won't, now the government want a GE but wont get it, the opposition can have a GE but dont want it, what's the word, TIN POT

InTheShadows

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

Topgear on Dave

awec wrote: »

Johnson's legs have been taken from under him. He's a lame duck.

A Prime Minister who has lost his authority straight out the gate. This will have long term ramifications for him, even if the tories do win an eventual election.

"Friends come and go but enemies accumulate"

Boris is learning the hard way.

Leroy42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Surprised no one is asking how will the EU respond to no deal being taken off the table?

Will their stance harden?

Remember Boris is in Dublin on Monday...

The EU stance has been the same since Day 1. If anything they have given ground to the UK on things like the UK wide backstop.

On what basis do you think they will change tack now? Johnsons bluff about No Deal was never a real threat. Sure the EU didn't want it, but the price to avoid it was simply too much and as such they relied on the knowledge that it was a far worse prospect to the UK than the EU.

The EU, I believe, will be nothing less that fair and understanding. No need to dance on the grave. Simply say they are open to passing the WA when the UK are ready

is_that_so

Pheonix10 wrote: »

What does tonight mean overall? Any chance of a Brexit extension or referendum not to leave?

It just means that they can debate and vote on the legislation to prevent a NO Deal over the next few days. Then there'll be an election!

Spanish Eyes

I doubt the Tories are finished, and I doubt Labour is either.

Boils down to a buffoon, a liar and a cad, or a communist and an alottment lover. Take your pick now.

What a time to be alive and a voter in UK.

Imreoir2

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It has ramifications for every future Prime Minister.

This is a massive precedent.

If Parliament doesn't like something Comrade Jezz cooks up 2 years from now, they can compel Corbyn to accept a decision they or any supra-national body decide, on any matter whatsoever.

Yeah, Parliament is supposed to be soverign. If the PM can't get a majority in parliament for their policies they should not be able to go ahead with their policies anyway.

martingriff

Boris might get the the record for Shortest reign as the British Prime Minister could see Mogg try to stab him in the back

Infini

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It hasn't been taken off the table. They voted to have a vote tomorrow. If they vote tomorrow then that will be off the table.

Truthfully no deal is only off the table if they accept the WA as is or abandon this with an A50 withdrawal. Truth is no deal is a live if not the final failure option until something overwrites this with absolute certainty.

Leroy42

InTheShadows wrote: »

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

Ah ok, I think I get you now. People voted to leave the EU so that the HoC could vote against a No Deal and the new PM would have to potentially opt to ignore the law of the land in order to get his version of their vote.

Seems very deep to me. Especially since many BRexiteers cannot even name a single law they want changed but have thought through the 4D chess game over 3 years!

InTheShadows

Pheonix10 wrote: »

What does tonight mean overall? Any chance of a Brexit extension or referendum not to leave?

No chance. The UK are leaving the EU in a few weeks. The remoaners have been led on a merry dance

gmisk

Mark Garnier (con) the gist of what he was was saying....I will give BJ the benefit of the doubt...let's see what he is going to come up with.

Not a ringing endorsement.

Kermit.de.frog

Leadsom saying rebels will NOT lose whip tonight and will have second chance tomorrow.

Looks like it will be a closer run thing tomorrow.

declanflynn

InTheShadows wrote: »

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

Ye just lost mate, ye just couldn't do it, pay your fee every year and stay in the club old chap

RickBlaine

Copied straight from Twitter (David Allen Green) and it hits the nail on the head:

"Remember if it had not been for Johnson and Cummings "genius" prorogation then this vote would not have been held and lost and we would be on steady course for a likely No Deal Brexit

Huge political blunder

What happens when people think they are cleverer than they actually are"

LeinsterDub

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It has ramifications for every future Prime Minister.

This is a massive precedent.

If Parliament doesn't like something Comrade Jezz cooks up 2 years from now, they can compel Corbyn to accept a decision they or any supra-national body decide, on any matter whatsoever.

This can only happen because they have no majority. In theory the Dáil could have a vote tomorrow that Leo has to wear a pointy hat again due to FG's lack of a majority Under normal circumstances there would be some form of party unity and if there wasn't a GE would have been called long ago.

BoJack Horseman

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Yeah, Parliament is supposed to be soverign. If the PM can't get a majority in parliament for their policies they should not be able to go ahead with their policies anyway.

It isn't just a matter of a government loosing a vote and a bill being defeated.
That happens every so often anyway.

The Benn bill compels the government to obey decisions taken by entities outside the UK especially when in conflict with the governments own wishes.

This puts the current and future governments in perilous situations.
It frankly makes nation state governance in the UK a bit of a joke, as they are no longer the ones in charge.

Kermit.de.frog

InTheShadows wrote: »

No chance. The UK are leaving the EU in a few weeks. The remoaners have been led on a merry dance

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!