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thecretinhop · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

swoon de EU. record amount of sucides in greece after herr merkel. literally middle aged men killing demselves after rooting in bin.
de EU.

Infini · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

declanflynn wrote: »

It's funny, the Brits want to leave the EU but won't, now the government want a GE but wont get it, the opposition can have a GE but dont want it, what's the word, TIN POT

Let's be honest they can't have an election with a gun pointed at their heads by Boris the Bollocks. They need the threat of a crash out removed so whoever wins has enough time to sort themselves. The only reason they havent voted already is in case the slimy feckers in no10 try to engineer no deal as the default option and prevent any incoming goverment from changing this afterwards. Thats the "Elephant Trap" Tony Blair was on about.

Headshot · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Leadsom saying rebels will NOT lose whip tonight and will have second chance tomorrow.

Looks like it will be a closer run thing tomorrow.

They cannot afford to lose them lol

The rebels wont be changing their minds at this stage, I don't think many expected 21 rebels, that's a huge problem for the government

Popeleo · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

McGiver wrote: »

3/5ths 60% only, some 380

Nope. Two-thirds of total seats. So 650 /3 *2 = 433.333

So 434 votes needed.

Enzokk · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Looks like not one Scottish Tory MP rebelled, what a bunch of wasters they are

It is remarkable that Ruth Davidson lasted as long as she did as Scottish Tory leader when there seems to be no move from Scottish MPs to even go for a soft Brexit.

InTheShadows wrote: »

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

If Johnson can be PM then going for Corbyn is not a step back. Johnson is a liar and will cost the UK in the long run. Just look at his record as London mayor. How is the Garden Bridge? What about his promise to lie in front of the bulldozers to stop the 3rd runway?

Akrasia · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It has ramifications for every future Prime Minister.

This is a massive precedent.

If Parliament doesn't like something Comrade Jezz cooks up 2 years from now, they can compel Corbyn to accept a decision they or any supra-national body decide, on any matter whatsoever.

Nonsense. This can only happen when the PM doesn’t have a working majority and is trying to force through changes that the entire opposition and a good chunk of his own party are opposed to.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 10:40pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

Is that not reliant on the EU giving yet more extensions? I thought EU have ruled that out?

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:41pm

RickBlaine wrote: »

Copied straight from Twitter (David Allen Green) and it hits the nail on the head:

"Remember if it had not been for Johnson and Cummings "genius" prorogation then this vote would not have been held and lost and we would be on steady course for a likely No Deal Brexit

Huge political blunder

What happens when people think they are cleverer than they actually are"

Saw a comment about Cummings and how he loves military strategists. Didn't allow for emotion and dignity here.

Leroy42 · 03-09-2019 10:41pm

It does no such thing. It, if passed, demands that the PM seeks an extension to 31 Jan. If the EU request a longer extension then the HoC would need to vote on that.

Which part gives the control to the EU?

awec · 03-09-2019 10:41pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Leadsom saying rebels will NOT lose whip tonight and will have second chance tomorrow.

Looks like it will be a closer run thing tomorrow.

:pac::pac::pac:

Read: Tories realise that they're in trouble tomorrow, and if they wield the stick tonight , they've no leverage left for tomorrow.

boggerman1 · 03-09-2019 10:41pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

The 150,000 odd Tory membership already have in Johnson

martingriff · 03-09-2019 10:41pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Either of this is possible and let's not forget the Farage influence in all of this.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

3) The Brexit party take a share of their vote.

True forgot about him even though they have not done well in bye elections. I do not see him keeping that little deal of not contesting

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:42pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It isn't just a matter of a government loosing a vote and a bill being defeated.
That happens every so often anyway.

The Benn bill compels the government to obey decisions taken by entities outside the UK especially when in conflict with the governments own wishes.

This puts the current and future governments in perilous situations.
It frankly makes nation state governance in the UK a bit of a joke, as they are no longer the ones in charge.

It only puts governments that do not command a majority in peril, and to be honest if you can't command a majority then you should not be in power anyway.

InTheShadows · 03-09-2019 10:42pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

Erm no deal isn't off the table. Keep up

gmisk · 03-09-2019 10:42pm

Enzokk wrote: »

It is remarkable that Ruth Davidson lasted as long as she did as Scottish Tory leader when there seems to be no move from Scottish MPs to even go for a soft Brexit.

If Johnson can be PM then going for Corbyn is not a step back. Johnson is a liar and will cost the UK in the long run. Just look at his record as London mayor. How is the Garden Bridge? What about his promise to lie in front of the bulldozers to stop the 3rd runway?

Ah the garden bridge which cost at least 53m.... but nothing whatsoever was built lol

Infini · 03-09-2019 10:42pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

swoon de EU. record amount of sucides in greece after herr merkel. literally middle aged men killing demselves after rooting in bin.
de EU.

Lets be fair here it was Greek Politicians who fiddled the books with help from Goldmann Sachhs and then went ham on the spending that caused this. Blaming Germany for all the problems isnt fair there but thats for another thread I'd say.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:42pm

gmisk wrote: »

Is that not reliant on the EU giving yet more extensions? I thought EU have ruled that out?

They have to request one and they'll need a very good reason to get. All UK mood music points to them not having a hope of finding a reason.

robinph · 03-09-2019 10:43pm

So the tory "majority" has today gone from +1, to - 1 and now just kicked out another 21 from the party.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:43pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

swoon de EU. record amount of sucides in greece after herr merkel. literally middle aged men killing demselves after rooting in bin.
de EU.

Sure, nothing at all to do with the decisions of the Greek government over many years, it's all the EUs fault :rolleyes:

manual_man · 03-09-2019 10:43pm

RickBlaine wrote: »

Copied straight from Twitter (David Allen Green) and it hits the nail on the head:

"Remember if it had not been for Johnson and Cummings "genius" prorogation then this vote would not have been held and lost and we would be on steady course for a likely No Deal Brexit

Huge political blunder

What happens when people think they are cleverer than they actually are"

I don’t believe that for a second. Those determined to undermine Brexit would almost certainly have looked to find a different opportunity to do the exact same thing.

LeinsterDub · 03-09-2019 10:44pm

devnull wrote: »

https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1168998820711190530
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1168998058417373184

List of Rebels on both sides.

Interesting that May supported it. If she was pro no deal when in number 10 she might still be PM

declanflynn · 03-09-2019 10:44pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

Erm no deal isn't off the table. Keep up

It will be soon mate, depaffel shot down in flames, do or die ha ha ha

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:44pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

No it's still there but an extension is by no means guaranteed. All this bill hopes to do is to prevent a No deal exit on 31 October.

irishproduce · 03-09-2019 10:44pm

gmisk wrote: »

Is that not reliant on the EU giving yet more extensions? I thought EU have ruled that out?

My hole. This is all choreographed. The EU will let on they're reluctantly giving extension. In reality, its incredibly difficult to escape the clutches of the EU

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-09-2019 10:45pm

Seems to be a change of tune

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169000894513504263

martingriff · 03-09-2019 10:45pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It isn't just a matter of a government loosing a vote and a bill being defeated.
That happens every so often anyway.

The Benn bill compels the government to obey decisions taken by entities outside the UK especially when in conflict with the governments own wishes.

This puts the current and future governments in perilous situations.
It frankly makes nation state governance in the UK a bit of a joke, as they are no longer the ones in charge.

What decisions are does. Your sounding like the MP who's whole point was I hear EU lawyers saw this bill

Podge_irl · 03-09-2019 10:45pm

is_that_so wrote: »

No it's still there but an extension is by no means guaranteed. All this bill hopes to do is to prevent a No deal exit on 31 October.

It's not guaranteed, but after all this and if the bill tomorrow passes the optics for the EU would be atrocious if they did anything but accept.

blackcard · 03-09-2019 10:45pm

martingriff wrote: »

Boris might get the the record for Shortest reign as the British Prime Minister could see Mogg try to stab him in the back

Couldn't see Mogg doing that. He might get his nanny to do it for him.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:46pm

robinph wrote: »

So the tory "majority" has today gone from +1, to - 1 and now just kicked out another 21 from the party.

Not just yet, apparently now only if they vote for the bill.

54and56 · 03-09-2019 10:46pm

is_that_so wrote: »

They have to request one and they'll need a very good reason to get. All UK mood music points to them not having a hope of finding a reason.

Would a new UK govt, particularly a Labour or Labour led coalition, not be a good reason?

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