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    #5012
    ZX7R
    Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No...they go to the backbenches.
    They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

    Will they still be able to vote tomorrow


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    #5013
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Actually this is useful in understanding this whip business:

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/whip-party-what-withdrawn-mean-boris-johnson-tory-mps-no-deal-brexit/


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    #5014
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,794 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    The Brexit party will not win a single seat.

    They'll cost the Tories a few, but because of FPTP they have next to no chance of taking a seat.
    We will see I suppose probably pretty soon.


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    #5015
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Snorlaxx wrote: »
    He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

    That is not the truth. Our Government favoured the Lisbon treaty, after the first referendum they made a political calculation that if some of the issues raised in the referendum campain were addressed, such as Tax, EU army etc, then they could swing the result in a re-run. History proved them to be correct.

    The people expressed concerns, those concerns were addressed, the people gave their consent. What exactly is the problem with that?


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    #5016
    gmisk
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    ZX7R wrote: »
    Will they still be able to vote tomorrow
    Yes they are still MPs


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    #5017
    Limpy
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    Snorlaxx wrote: »
    He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

    It's amazing there was no Russian meddling in the first no vote. The crusty lefties love using that ones.


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    #5018
    Enzokk
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ken Clarke no longer a Tory


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1169002119451611142

    Rees-Mogg rebelled against the Whip almost 100 times, someone like David Gauke did it once and one of them is in government and the other kicked out of the party. Welcome to the Tories 2019,

    https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1168870905587609605?s=20

    Snorlaxx wrote: »
    He makes a good point though, the British public voted for Brexit so they will deliver it. Over here in Ireland when we didn't vote for Lisbon, we bowed before the EU and done another vote until we got the result the EU wanted. No words from Ivan/Matt on that truth.

    Not this again. The EU listened to the views from Ireland and gave concessions and this subsequent deal with changes passed. If you are going to spread misinformation you have to at least pick a topic that doesn't even need investigation. F for execution, try better next time.


    As for the Cummings incident, seems like the information from Tim Shipman is somewhat disputed.

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/1169009732117512192?s=20


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    #5019
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Shelga wrote: »
    Stupid question but I just want to be absolutely clear- does having the whip removed mean you’re essentially kicked out of the party?? So will these 21 MPs now sit as Independents?

    To remove the whip from Ken Clarke- simply incredible what is happening tonight.
    Yep. They are independents. Some may well be deselected from their constituencies, but Philip Hammond was just re-selected. So there could be all kinds of Tories kicking about after the next election.


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    #5020
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Will they still be able to vote tomorrow

    Yes, voters elect people not parties. As of now they are not Conservative MPs however.


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    #5021
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Shelga


    So hasn't Johnson just reduced his majority by a further 21?? Not that I should be surprised by him cutting off his nose to spite his face :rolleyes:


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    #5022
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Daily Express is very understated on Wednesday

    UoDPC1cRkKifuBiq4JDM_dx-040919-front-page_1567548100_001.png

    Lots of problems with that, that apparently handling control to MPs is giving it to the EU, and apparently voting is anti-democratic.


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    #5023
    Quin_Dub
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    gmisk wrote: »
    We will see I suppose probably pretty soon.

    There isn't a single projection out there showing them taking a seat, not even Farage, the only one that anyone has ever heard of.

    They are Ross Perot to Boris' George Bush snr.


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    #5024
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No...they go to the backbenches.
    They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

    Not what they are saying

    https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1169010482495311875


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    #5025
    Limpy
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    That is not the truth. Our Government favoured the Lisbon treaty, after the first referendum they made a political calculation that if some of the issues raised in the referendum campain were addressed, such as Tax, EU army etc, then they could swing the result in a re-run. History proved them to be correct.

    The people expressed concerns, those concerns were addressed, the people gave their consent. What exactly is the problem with that?


    Then Ireland joins pesco.

    All lies.


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    #5026
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Limpy wrote: »
    Then Ireland joins pesco.

    All lies.

    PESCO is not an EU army, stop spreading lies.


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    #5027
    [Deleted User]
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    Has the father of the house ever lost the whip before?


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    #5028
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Theresa May voted with Boris. Keeping her enemies close no doubt.


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    #5029
    awec
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No...they go to the backbenches.
    They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

    Losing the whip means they become independents. It's effectively expulsion.


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    #5030
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Theresa May voted with Boris. Keeping her enemies close no doubt.

    Just spite against those who pulled this against her I'd say.


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    #5031
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,794 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    There isn't a single projection out there showing them taking a seat, not even Farage, the only one that anyone has ever heard of.

    They are Ross Perot to Boris' George Bush snr.
    Ah ok so they would act as a kind of a spoiler in FPTP for the conservatives?


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    #5032
    An Claidheamh
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    Limpy wrote: »
    Then Ireland joins pesco.



    Yet the British were happy for us to join them in NATO....

    They just can't take part in things they don't control*

    *Or the USA controls, but "special relationship" right?.....


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    #5033
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Paddy Power's odds on a no-deal Brexit in 2019 have lengthened considerably in the last couple of hours, from 11/10 to 15/8.


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    #5034
    Spanish Eyes
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    Just read elsewhere that Rory Stewart has decided to feck off from the Tories.

    He always struck me as someone who was honest and had convictions.

    Sad to hear. He had a great future ahead of him. And maybe still will.

    Edit,

    Not stepping down as an MP. But what does that mean?

    https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1169012650199736320?s=21


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    #5035
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    I think the Tories would win the next election.

    Not necessarily. If Johnson is forced to delay Brexit by Parliament, he will have lost the voting pact with the Brexit party. And they will be gunning for Tory seats. Also, those 21 Tories who were taken down today by Johnson were popular in their constituencies. That's 21 potential lost seats.
    Thresa May has similar poll results before her ill conceived election in 2017.


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    #5036
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Boris will not go back to ask for an extension , so what happens after election if Cons have majority .
    Will tomorrows no-deal vote be null and void ?


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    #5037
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Wish someone videoed this :

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp


    "The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

    They're losing it


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    #5038
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    A great day for Boris Johnson. He started the day with a majority of 1 and finished with a minority of 43. He managed to do this all by himself by painting red lines around a vote. They never learn.


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    #5039
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,794 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Just read elsewhere that Rory Stewart has decided to feck off from the Tories.

    He always struck me as someone who was honest and had convictions.

    Sad to hear. He had a great future ahead of him. And maybe still will.
    Honest and has convictions...he doesn't really fit in with the conservative party tbh then...but I agree...hopefully he comes back to politics


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    #5040
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,429 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Cummings and his ilk are seeing the Tories being up in the polls areund 35% and also view the 12% Brexit voters as theirs to take, giving them 47%.

    However they loose 11/12 in Scotland alone, some more in SW England to the Lib Dems.
    Could have a minority Govn't after the election too.


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    #5041
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,794 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    An Claidheamh wrote: »
    Wish someone videoed this :

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp


    "The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

    They're losing it
    He is the lad who is always in jeans and a gillet...Jesus I wouldn't get away with wearing that to work...he looks like a pissed dad out on a boat.


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