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cryptocurrency

Daily Mail Article I know but it seems some are pointing out now that the UK could stay to destroy the EU from within.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7439647/Boris-Johnson-threatens-sabotage-EUs-structures-grip-power.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed


Boris is like Luke in Starwars

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Westminster voting intention:

CON: 35% (-)
LAB: 21% (-4)
LDEM: 19% (+3)
BREX: 12% (+1)

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@YouGov
, 05 - 06 Sep

um7y1h83ge06nx

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Daily Mail Article I know but it seems some are pointing out now that the UK could stay to destroy the EU from within.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7439647/Boris-Johnson-threatens-sabotage-EUs-structures-grip-power.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed


Boris is like Luke in Starwars

You wonder where will it all end. Imagine if Johnson had the same sort of military power that Hitler had in 1939.

It's getting to the stage that the EU should give them what they want, give them their blessed no deal and when Britain inevitable don't pay their outstanding debts then shut down access in and out of the UK, both airspace and ports until they crack. An economic blockade.

Harry Palmr

At what level does the Liberal Democrats percentage start to overcome FPTP bias? Could they form a coalition with Labour that is quite balanced ?

cryptocurrency

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

You wonder where will it all end. Imagine if Johnson had the same sort of military power that Hitler had in 1939.

It's getting to the stage that the EU should give them what they want, give them their blessed no deal and when Britain inevitable don't pay their outstanding debts then shut down access in and out of the UK, both airspace and ports until they crack. An economic blockade.

UK is light years ahead of the rest of the EU members in both military power and intelligence services.

Comparing Boris to Hitler kinda kills the value of any of your input now as you are coming across as hysterical as Anna Soubry

cryptocurrency

Harry Palmr wrote: »

At what level does the Liberal Democrats percentage start to overcome FPTP bias? Could they form a coalition with Labour that is quite balanced ?

Corbyn is not balanced he is a self confessed Marxist.

Lib Dems are very wishy washy

um7y1h83ge06nx

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK is light years ahead of the rest of the EU members in both military power and intelligence services.

Comparing Boris to Hitler kinda kills the value of any of your input now as you are coming across as hysterical as Anna Soubry

In fairness there are differences, Hitler was a military threat to Europe and in turn an economic threat as well, Johnson is proving himself to be just an economic threat.

cryptocurrency

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

In fairness there are differences, Hitler was a military threat to Europe and in turn an economic threat as well, Johnson is proving himself to be just an economic threat.

The EU is an economic threat to the UK so its best the separate.

EU wants tax harmonisation, federalisation, EU army...the US support of Brexit is not a coincidence. I expect the US and UK to work closer with their regime change plans for Brussels over the coming years.

lawred2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Being reported tomorrow that No 10 is going to refuse to appoint new EU commissioner and thus the EU will have no choice but to kick the UK out.

Heard that mooted on Thursday..

I'm fairly sure that they have the consequences wrong

cryptocurrency

lawred2 wrote: »

Heard that mooted on Thursday..

I'm fairly sure that they have the consequences wrong

EU will come up with something that means they don't kick them out. EU hasn't the bottle as they are desperate.

lawred2

listermint wrote: »

Don't listen to twitterports.


That's not possible the EU can't do that.. So I wouldn't bother forwarding anything related to it.

More twitter crap originating from leave origins with little factual grounding.

Wasn't just on Twitter. Was on bbc newsnight on Thursday

lawred2

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

You wonder where will it all end. Imagine if Johnson had the same sort of military power that Hitler had in 1939.

It's getting to the stage that the EU should give them what they want, give them their blessed no deal and when Britain inevitable don't pay their outstanding debts then shut down access in and out of the UK, both airspace and ports until they crack. An economic blockade.

Yeah that's how wars start

Working class heroes

cryptocurrency wrote: »

EU will come up with something that means they don't kick them out. EU hasn't the bottle as they are desperate.

Any. Minute. Now.

um7y1h83ge06nx

lawred2 wrote: »

Yeah that's how wars start

It does bring risk but so does appeasement. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Also if the EU allow Britain to walk away from their debts it will weaken the EUs position with other trading partners and future trading negotiations.

DOCARCH

cryptocurrency wrote: »

EU hasn't the bottle as they are desperate.

Desperate....no. Hoping for an orderly Brexit....yes.

gooch2k9

Found Rudd very confusing on Marr. She is quitting because there is not enough work going on to get a deal, everything is going towards preparing for no deal, but she believes Johnson does want to get a deal.

devnull

Raab this morning is priceless on Sky

Don't want to publish Brexit deal proposals in case they get leaked - Raab

The foreign secretary, when asked what concrete proposals for a new Brexit deal have been offered to Brussels, says there are a "whole range of possibilities" which "set out the framework for it".

He adds the government is more cautious than it used to be about revealing those plans so they don't get "leaked and rubbished by the other side".

It's basically saying that somebody might agree with what we are saying so we are not going to tell you as the delicate flowers that we are cannot take any criticism. You don't need to know what we are thinking because we are right and you should trust us. Nice to see them being so open and honest with the public.

Alternatively it could be more spoofing and they have nothing.

GM228

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The EU is an economic threat to the UK so its best the separate.

I'll fix that for you.

Leaving the EU without a deal is an economic threat to the UK

gooch2k9

devnull wrote: »

Raab this morning is priceless on Sky



It's basically saying that somebody might agree with what we are saying so we are not going to tell you as the delicate flowers that we are cannot take any criticism. You don't need to know what we are thinking because we are right and you should trust us. Nice to see them being so open and honest with the public.

Alternatively it could be more spoofing and they have nothing.

Javid is pushing the same line on Marr now. There are loads of alternatives supposedly.

Blatant dishonesty.

P.S. I'm getting a headache listening to this chap. He says they won't accept any form of backstop.

cryptocurrency

GM228 wrote: »

I'll fix that for you.

The EU has played hardball with the UK since dealing with May and the only way the UK can pull it back is hard ball and a threat of no deal and it has to be credible.

Still don't think Boris is being hard enough to get this right as his language is still very soft, referring to them as partners etc..

murphaph

Strazdas wrote: »

It's fascinating to see a supposedly centre right party reinvent itself as a hard right / far right one and even expel dozens of MPs who don't agree with the radical shift.

I'm struggling to think of any other example in modern European history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz

listermint

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The EU has played hardball with the UK since dealing with May and the only way the UK can pull it back is hard ball and a threat of no deal and it has to be credible.

Still don't think Boris is being hard enough to get this right as his language is still very soft, referring to them as partners etc..

The EU are ok with the UK leaving now. As am I.

Off they trot.


There is no more hard ball to play. Good luck.

GM228

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Being reported tomorrow that No 10 is going to refuse to appoint new EU commissioner and thus the EU will have no choice but to kick the UK out.

This is actually a very interesting twist if true, whilst it does not mean an automatic kick out for the UK it would create the desired effect of preventing the Commission from operating in accordance with the TFEU.

CelticRambler

cryptocurrency wrote: »

the only way the UK can pull it back is hard ball and a threat of no deal and it has to be credible.

The inherent contradiction in the Brexiter strategy: if "no deal" is a credible threat, who's going to be hurt more - the geo-political union of 27 states and a population of 500 million that has trade deals (in place or under negotiation) with most of the rest of the world; or the small island kingdom riven with internal strife whose only trade deal is with an even smaller island that sells fish?

Mortelaro

GM228 wrote: »

This is actually a very interesting twist if true, whilst it does not mean an automatic kick out for the UK it would create the desired effect of preventing the Commission from operating in accordance with the TFEU.

Not necessarily
The EU will just invoke the process they can use upon the death of a commissioner ie a delay
Probably commensurate with the length of the Brexit delay

joe40

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The EU has played hardball with the UK since dealing with May and the only way the UK can pull it back is hard ball and a threat of no deal and it has to be credible.

Still don't think Boris is being hard enough to get this right as his language is still very soft, referring to them as partners etc..

Brexit will affect the lives of millions of people and there is no clear consensus as to what the British people want.
Don't refer to the 2016 referendum as any type of consensus since the leave result covered a whole spectrum, including leave but stay within the customs union.
All this talk of "hard man deals is ridiculous, some people are approaching this as if they're buying a used car.

cryptocurrency

CelticRambler wrote: »

The inherent contradiction in the Brexiter strategy: if "no deal" is a credible threat, who's going to be hurt more - the geo-political union of 27 states and a population of 500 million that has trade deals (in place or under negotiation) with most of the rest of the world; or the small island kingdom riven with internal strife whose only trade deal is with an even smaller island that sells fish?

Depends, the UK needs to use stronger language. The UK wants a deal and keep trade going. If their "friends and partners" in Europe want to put barriers and threaten food and medicine supplies then these are hostile acts.

UK needs to work with their partners in Washington to make clear that these hostile acts against it by NATO and Security partners go strongly spirit of their security arrangements.

UK needs to also stand with their american partners and get very vocal to the questionable commitments and pathetic contributions to NATO and security arrangements by these members

Harry Palmr

Might the EU be able reconfigure the commission? If the UK wants to argue the case they are welcome as they'd need to stay in the EU to do so!

cryptocurrency

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Better get used to it. If you think the US, China, Japan won't bend the UK over a barrel, you are in for a shock.

Just look how hard a bargains Faroe islands and handful African countries have driven. At this rate UK will be setting up NHS in other countries and paying for it.

Japan is one country of a shrinking population yet can handle themselves on the global stage, as does NZ and Australia.

UK would be far better with a five eyes security, trade partnership that is truly global. The EU is a fly in comparison.

GM228

Mortelaro wrote: »

Not necessarily
The EU will just invoke the process they can use upon the death of a commissioner ie a delay
Probably commensurate with the length of the Brexit delay

Actually no they can't, the process is strictly in relation to a vacancy caused by "resignation, compulsory retirement or death".

The situation it would create is not covered under the TFEU, and even if it was the numbers can only be reduced with unanimous agreement of the European Council, the EC is made up of the EU28 heads of state, agreement would be required by Johnson himself.