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    #212
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,429 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Brickster you quoted the post requesting that you name just one benefit of leaving the EU and you went off on a tangent - I would really like to hear one solid reason for leaving, one real advantage?


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    #213
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    We did a deal with them and they've gone off in a strop. Jesus.

    It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #214
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,814 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    brickster69 wrote: »
    It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

    That is parliaments issue. It is their problem if they give their premier the ability to negotiate on their behalf and then welch on that understanding.

    i.e. get your act together UK and get back to us when you are ready.


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    #215
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    looksee wrote: »
    Brickster you quoted the post requesting that you name just one benefit of leaving the EU and you went off on a tangent - I would really like to hear one solid reason for leaving, one real advantage?

    Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #216
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭trellheim


    brickster69 wrote: »
    It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

    Have to stop you there.

    HM Govt agreed the deal and accepted it for the United Kingdom, much in it was put in by, and extremely favourable for, the United Kingdom.

    the UK Parliament has so far failed to ratify it. Words are important here.


    You bet we get it.


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    #217
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    That's not the fault of the EU.

    It is. The EU said it was the best deal on offer. So now instead o getting the best deal they get the worst deal possible. Way to go EU !

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #218
    trellheim
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

    Yeah those pesky free mobile phone roaming laws in all the EU are a bitch but you do you .


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    #219
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    trellheim wrote: »
    Have to stop you there.

    HM Govt agreed the deal and accepted it for the United Kingdom, much in it was put in by, and extremely favourable for, the United Kingdom.

    the UK Parliament has so far failed to ratify it. Words are important here.


    You bet we get it.

    It was rejected 3 times by a pro remain parliament. Does that tell you how favourable it was. Anyway it is dead now.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #220
    First Up
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    It was rejected 3 times by a pro remain parliament. Does that tell you how favourable it was. Anyway it is dead now.

    So faced with a choice between the best deal they could negotiate and the worst deal imaginable, the HoC opts for the latter.

    How responsible.


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    #221
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    trellheim wrote: »
    Yeah those pesky free mobile phone roaming laws in all the EU are a bitch but you do you .

    Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #222
    BonnieSituation
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

    I get it. The EU negotiated with the UK government. Why would they negotiate with a parliament?

    Are you saying the UK government has no competence to negotiate its exit from the EU?

    The UK's nonsensical processes of ratification etc are not our fault. And yet we are being blamed on them not "getting it".


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    #223
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,429 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You don't have any advantages do you? All the talk is just to be a devils advocate, stir things along.

    So which particular EU law that supercedes a UK law is particularly offensive to you? Bearing in mind that the UK was involved in its creation.


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    #224
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.

    Name a country where they allow you to roam for free in another country.


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    #225
    brickster69
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    First Up wrote: »
    So faced with a choice between the best deal they could negotiate and the worst deal imaginable, the HoC opts for the latter.

    How responsible.

    Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #226
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

    Are you saying that EU laws should have no primacy or are you saying they should have no primacy in the UK and that's okay that the rest of us agree with EU law having primacy over our own in certain sectors to ensure we have a functioning Union-wide single market, customs Union and generally just a good oul, place to live and work because of the similarity of laws and processes where required?


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    #227
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

    You guys?

    You think that the UK are going to be okay? Gas.


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    #228
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Name a country where they allow you to roam for free in another country.

    USA

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #229
    Jizique
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    looksee wrote: »
    You don't have any advantages do you? All the talk is just to be a devils advocate, stir things along.

    So which particular EU law that supercedes a UK law is particularly offensive to you? Bearing in mind that the UK were involved in its creation.

    All those laws that force the UK to charge fees for students, set all their personal and corporate tax rates, control all military spending, set pay and benefit rates for teachers, doctors, civil servants and the unemployed, and force them to build heavily subsidized nuclear plants part-owned by the French and the Chinese as well as subsidized offshore wind farms owned by Danish, Spanish and German companies.
    And loads more


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    #230
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    brickster69 wrote: »
    USA

    From the USA to where?

    Or where to the USA?

    Or are you considering every state a different country?

    And at that Do you think free European roaming is EU over reach?


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    #231
    Enzokk
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

    Name those laws that are detrimental to the UK. You have had more than 3 years since the referendum and I would like to know which specific EU law is so bad you have to leave the EU.

    brickster69 wrote: »
    Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.


    I would like a list of countries where roaming is free for overseas visitors. Then we can discard one of the positive laws or regulations from the EU for once and for all.


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    #232
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Thinking about that last one. I can roam for free in any EU country and many more global countries even if the UK were not in the EU.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #233
    FrancieBrady
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

    I'd imagine 'the plan' is to wave the WA (maybe even with some of the compromises omitted) at the UK again when they come back in a much weaker position.


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    #234
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Thinking about that last one. I can roam for free in any EU country and many more global countries even if the UK were not in the EU.

    You can roam for free within the EU from another EU country because the EU forced mobile companies to allow us to do so.

    Do you think this is a bad thing?

    What global countries are you roaming for free in as of right and not as part of a mobile tarrif add-on?


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    #235
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Ok, you listen to leaks. But the link below is the mandate given to EU negotiators. Are you saying once they have been given a mandate it can be changed ?

    https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/04/15/trade-with-the-united-states-council-authorises-negotiations-on-elimination-of-tariffs-for-industrial-goods-and-on-conformity-assessment/

    So much garbage on here and no one calls it out as lies.
    As the pre-eminent producer of garbage on here, that's a bit rich.



    And that announcement is only part of the programme announced in the joint statement by Juncker and Trump last year. As you can see, it's intended to be a good bit more than what you've posted about.


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    #236
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It is not a mobile add on. You can roam for free anywhere if your carrier has a network in another country which they all do. If the UK left the EU all the carriers would offer it for free. It costs them nothing at all.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #237
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭brickster69


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    As the pre-eminent producer of garbage on here, that's a bit rich.



    And that announcement is only part of the programme announced in the joint statement by Juncker and Trump last year. As you can see, it's intended to be a good bit more than what you've posted about.

    Yeah, Mr Trump insists on agricultural products EU says Non. that's why talks have not started and in 2 months time. Guess what ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #238
    First Up
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

    The plans are mostly in place, thanks to the positive cooperation with our EU partners. The only loose ends are the ones waiting for the UK to piss or get off the pot.


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    #239
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Jizique wrote: »
    All those laws that force the UK to charge fees for students, set all their personal and corporate tax rates, control all military spending, set pay and benefit rates for teachers, doctors, civil servants and the unemployed, and force them to build heavily subsidized nuclear plants part-owned by the French and the Chinese as well as subsidized offshore wind farms owned by Danish, Spanish and German companies.
    And loads more
    I stopped at "personal and corporate tax rates". Impressive to get so many things wrong in one sentence.
    So would you like to short-circuit the merriment and actually quote the actual laws that you imagine came from the EU? You know, links to statute law and EU directives.


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    #240
    Imreoir2
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    It is. The EU said it was the best deal on offer. So now instead o getting the best deal they get the worst deal possible. Way to go EU !

    The UK failed entirely to make any proposals that would be acceptable to the EU. No-deal will be vastly worse for the UK than the EU, well done UK.


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    #241
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yeah, Mr Trump insists on agricultural products EU says Non. that's why talks have not started and in 2 months time. Guess what ?
    Yes. But it's still not a sectoral deal. It's an agreement that's being broken down into sectors during negotiations. And there's already been agreement on beef quotas.


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