Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Leroy42

brickster69 wrote: »

Not really. What have you to go on when all parties say they will respect and implement the vote that was decided on. Not the voters fault really is it ?

And again, where were the protests when these very same MPs voted against the WA?

the WA gets the UK to leave the EU.

brickster69

prawnsambo wrote: »

And they (and apparently you) think he's trustworthy.

I will let you know, my belief is i do not believe any politician is trustworthy.

A Dub in Glasgo

Two current cabinet ministers said the following a few months ago

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1166731526953938945

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1166732322600837121

FrancieBrady

brickster69 wrote: »

Not really. What have you to go on when all parties say they will respect and implement the vote that was decided on. Not the voters fault really is it ?

Whose fault is it?

The people voted...what happens in parliament in ultimately at their door. If they are unhappy they get another day eventually.

Stop moaning ffs

It seems this is just the first of a series of bizarre disruptive events planned. Cummings grimy fingerprints all over this

https://twitter.com/darranmarshall/status/1166743595757572096?s=21

Bit cynical

murphaph wrote: »

I really hope Johnson gets his strong majority and can dump the DUP and go for a WTO Brexit for Britain with NI getting special status.

Why do you think NI would get special status in this scenario?

VinLieger

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Two current cabinet ministers said the following a few months ago

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1166731526953938945

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1166732322600837121

Add Amber Rudd, Nicky Morgan and Sajid Javid to that list, all also opposed suspending parliament in the past few months

Nody

Bit cynical wrote: »

Why do you think NI would get special status in this scenario?

Because it solves EU's problem on the NI border which they would need to control in some form while maintaining their support for the peace agreement (assuming full controls in water with EU support etc.).

Professor Moriarty

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It seems this is just the first of a series of bizarre disruptive events planned. Cummings grimy fingerprints all over this

https://twitter.com/darranmarshall/status/1166743595757572096?s=21

Straight from the Trump play book.

Stop moaning ffs

Davidson has quit. Shocker

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1166747586520342528?s=21

Professor Moriarty

Davidson going is the start of the unravelling.

Forty Seven

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Davidson has quit. Shocker

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1166747586520342528?s=21

BBC reporting she is considering her position, statement tomorrow.

Kermit.de.frog

Actually it says she is quitting due to "motherhood" reasons.


So not principle then.

BonnieSituation

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would Davidson quitting leave Boris with no majority?

She's an MSP not an MP it has no overall effect in Westminster.

But it is a bombshell, especially with a by-election on the go in Shetland.

Leroy42

why does Laura K persist on posting like this.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1166749203953061888

has she no political knowledge at all, even if the reason was true, surely she knows that any politician with any loyalty would hold off on any announcement on something like this to avoid the perception that it was linked.

she should at least mention that or simply avoid the spin

Enzokk

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

We need a half way house. Who wants 30 DUP members in the Dail?

Why would there be 30 DUP members? Looks like you have around 1 member per population of around 30 000 in Ireland. That would mean around 63 Northern Irish Dail politicians coming in. Factor in the 30% of the vote the DUP gets from that total and you have around 20 incoming DUP members, give or take a few. That would be out of a total of 220. Rough calculations from me.

brickster69 wrote: »

Not really.

247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU

You can try and discount elections that doesn't suit your agenda, but in the last election the parties had manifestos and the parties that ruled out no-deal received 54% of the vote. If people felt strongly in favour of no-deal they should have voted UKIP or Conservative in 2017. That is the most recent election we can go on.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Davidson has quit. Shocker

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1166747586520342528?s=21

If true that would be another casualty to Brexit. I have been hammering her but good on her for resigning seeing as her position is untenable. She cannot claim to represent people in Scotland and the Conservatives, they are looking more and more like two polar opposite views.

Strazdas

Forty Seven wrote: »

BBC reporting she is considering her position, statement tomorrow.

Scottish press believes she will indeed announce her resignation tomorrow

Bit cynical

Nody wrote: »

Because it solves EU's problem on the NI border which they would need to control in some form while maintaining their support for the peace agreement (assuming full controls in water with EU support etc.).

I can see why it is desirable but not quite what I am asking.

LeinsterDub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Actually it says she is quitting due to "motherhood" reasons.


So not principle then.

If it was principle she would have lead or attempted to lead a split of the Scottish Tories and stopped this entire mess

Imreoir2

Berserker wrote: »

No they don't. The democratic wish of the British people takes precedence over everything else anyway.

This mentality is why dictators like prebicites so much and why moderate democrates are so wary of them. They are so useful to undermine democratic norms, anything and everything can be attacked and broken, even democracy itself to implement the "will of the people". Its so much easier to reduce issues down to simplistic and easily manupilated ideas rather than dealing with complicated realities and democratic checks and balances.

Forty Seven

Strazdas wrote: »

Scottish press believes she will indeed announce her resignation tomorrow

So why not just quit today? Perhaps she has an angle and is hoping for some concession? It doesn't make sense to me, if principle she could do more damage than this, if personal her timing is terrible.


She wants something I think. We will see tomorrow I suppose.

A Dub in Glasgo

Davidson has little influence over the MPs in Scotland, was hyped up by her mates in the media, avoids scrutiny, flip flops on issues and has only one policy - no to independence. The Tory MPs in Scotland have done next to nothing to take the sting out of Brexit

LeinsterDub

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

A petition to not prorogue is gaining signatures at the rate of 1,000 per minute at the moment. I'd expect it to top several million by the end of the week

joe40

Imreoir2 wrote: »

This mentality is why dictators like prebicites so much and why moderate democrates are so wary of them. They are so useful to undermine democratic norms, anything and everything can be attacked and broken, even democracy itself to implement the "will of the people". Its so much easier to reduce issues down to simplistic and easily manupilated ideas rather than dealing with complicated realities and democratic checks and balances.

Exactly, someone more knowledgeable might be able to correct me here but isn't Germany very reluctant to use referendums due to their little brush with dictatorship.
Not sure of details so could be wrong here.

Seth Brundle

brickster69 wrote: »

I know it is normal for referendum results that go against the EU to be re-run. But in the Uk it is normal to respect that result.

As a retort to your snide comment, the Brits had already voted to remain in the EU before they were given a repeat referendum in 2016!

awec

I don't really see the significance of Davidson quitting. A bit of a non-event, and Johnson won't care.

More interested in knowing what the Scottish tory MPs will do

Stop moaning ffs

joe40 wrote: »

Exactly, someone more knowledgeable might be able to correct me here but isn't Germany very reluctant to use referendums due to their little brush with dictatorship.
Not sure of details so could be wrong here.

The latest David McWilliams podcast gets into the germans and how they dealt with setting up again after the war. Fascinating listen worth looking up.

Forty Seven

awec wrote: »

I don't really see the significance of Davidson quitting. A bit of a non-event, and Johnson won't care.

More interested in knowing what the Scottish tory MPs will do

Jockey for position of course, they're politicians.

Laois_Man

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

A petition to not prorogue is gaining signatures at the rate of 1,000 per minute at the moment. I'd expect it to top several million by the end of the week

Not one of these again? Stupid waste of time!

A Dub in Glasgo

awec wrote: »

I don't really see the significance of Davidson quitting. A bit of a non-event, and Johnson won't care.

More interested in knowing what the Scottish tory MPs will do

In the context of Brexit - very little

In the context of elections in Scotland - probably a loss for the media as they were hyping her up as the next First Minister of Scotland (was never going to happen anyway)

As for the MPs, most of them know their time is up at the next election so hard to tell but their previous actions will indicate they will back Johnson