Why is being Right wing considered bad?

lufties

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

It's down to atrocious historic experiences.

Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, apartheid South Africa.

Cruel regimes that brutalised their own citizens and conquered nations.

Nobody wants to return to that.

On the left, there was the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia and North Korea. Responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

Communism killed more people worldwide than any other political ideology, yet people who advocate it are somehow considered compassionate and virtuous.

I reckon its because the media are biased towards the left. My own relatives who grew up in the 60s are leftists, but I reckon its because back then being left leaning was a counter culture movement. Fast forward today, and conservativism is the new counter culture, as liberalism/globalism is the dominant narrative.

Most people of a certain age are too ego invested in their ideology, that even fact and reason wont change their outlook. I used to be a 'liberal' until a few years ago, until I properly educated myself. Anyway, left/right are not the same as they were 30 years ago.

Tell me how

lufties wrote: »

Communism killed more people worldwide than any other political ideology, yet people who advocate it are somehow considered compassionate and virtuous.

What??

lufties

VinLieger wrote: »

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

Strazdas

lufties wrote: »

Well most so called right wingers I know are against mass unfiltered immigration, while their own people are homeless on the street. Also, its nothing about being selfish, I'd argue the left are selfish as they are obsessed with looking virtuous (an insecure way to live imo). Many so called right wingers say that nature is being tampered with via social engineering. Humans are also tribal, and having lived in multicultural London just made me feel like an alien living amongst a culture so different to my own. Humans generally like to be around people who share similar ideas and values as it gives a level of social trust.

The days of homogenous societies are over though. I was looking at a map that showed that virtually every country in Europe, not just the EU, has a non national population of around 10 to 15% (some higher).

Yer Da sells Avon

lufties wrote: »

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

You should grow up and take some responsibility for your own poor behaviour.

Bonniedog

Someone made the point above that there are there is no real conservative politics in 26 counties now.

FG, FF, SF, Labour, SDs and even on most issues the "far left" would fit comfortably into the American Democratic party.

On all key issues: EU membership, corporation tax and the dominance of foreign capital, mass immigration (to facilitate capital), the madder extremes of "gender politics," abortion, crime, and so on there is scarcely any difference.

Dissenters in the three main parties on abortion have either been sidelined, silenced or expelled (Toibin.)

Such individuals have been labelled "right wing" by media even though O Cuiv would be quite left wing on economics and public ownership, and Peadar Toibin is conventionally left on such issues.

On other hand likes of Simon Harris actually well to the right on economic issues is portrayed as left of centre because he is a liberal on "social issues."

The terminology therefore as someone else said here is increasingly inaccurate.

Tell me how

Strazdas wrote: »

The days of homogenous societies are over though. I was looking at a map that showed that virtually every country in Europe, not just the EU, has a non national population of around 10 to 15% (some higher).

And understandably so given the ability technology has given us to travel, interact and collaborate with people outside our immediate geography.

murphaph

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

Trump is Putin's ragdoll.

rossie1977

Yes there are conservative politics in 26 counties
Fiscal conservativism:
1. in form of extremely low corporate tax rates
2. FG are continually finding ways to reduce welfare and healthcare spending

Social conservativism:
1. Our government still continue it's endless war on drugs. Many parts of supposed conservative USA has much more progressive drug policies than we do
2. FG introduced an extremely conservative prostitution law.
3. FF while in government introduced a blasphemy law

Stuff like Abortion rights and marriage only came about because of overwhelming pressure from the population at large. Had Savita Halappanavar not died tragically women in this country would still not control their own bodies.

Tell me how

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

Just saw this.
Discussion over.

do svidaniya tovarishch

Bonniedog

rossie1977 wrote: »

extremely low corporate tax rates
2. FG are continually finding ways to reduce welfare and healthcare spending

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SF have exactly the same corporation tax policy and indeed supported lowering it in north when in coalition with the DUP!

They also supported public service cuts and welfare reform.

Granted the "far left" are outliers on both of these but tick all the other "liberal agenda" boxes.

I don't see how abortion or crime fits into a left or right spectrum.

Cuba is the exemplar for a lot of lefties and is anything but liberal on crime, gy rights and gender stuff/

(BTW, the report on the death of the Indian woman - sorry not going to try her surname and didn't know her so not going to use her first name - showed that it had nothing whatsoever to do with 8th.)

rossie1977

Cuba are far left/communist.

Ireland like most of Western Europe is centre right/neo liberal fiscally.

lufties

Strazdas wrote: »

The days of homogenous societies are over though. I was looking at a map that showed that virtually every country in Europe, not just the EU, has a non national population of around 10 to 15% (some higher).

Oh really, I'd advise you to compare Barnes to Luton in the UK. Or even Killiney with Balbriggan. It seems that you buy your way out of multiculturalism.

Also, I've lived in a eastern Europe (Latvia). Not much diversity there.

Bonniedog

rossie1977 wrote: »

Cuba are far left/communist.

Ireland like most of Western Europe is centre right/neo liberal fiscally.

That's my point. The "left" is not actually left as it would have been understood 30 years ago. Not only is it not socialist, it doesn't even prioritise public services in the same way.

I know people in Sinn Féin who are low paying non union employers but put out gay pride flags and think they are left wing because they support abortion!

Absurd distortion of what left used to mean.

Indeed there is excellent book by Todd Gitlin who was leader of the 1960s Students for Democratic Society describing how identity politics in states has destroyed the old left notion of "the commons" which sought to build a democratic egalitarian politics blind to race and sexuality, whereas now the "left" parcels off and segregates groups with the enthusiasm of an old southern Democrat !

Jimbob1977

Left wing parties tend to promote high income taxes and bin/water charges.

Except in Ireland.

ancapailldorcha

lufties wrote: »

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

murphaph wrote: »

Trump is Putin's ragdoll.

Tell me how wrote: »

Just saw this.
Discussion over.

do svidaniya tovarishch

Enough of this please.

Blueshoe

murphaph wrote: »

Trump is Putin's ragdoll.

Leo said that trump made America great again.
That was a great day

VinLieger

lufties wrote: »

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

I did what? That was the first time i posted in this thread, your complaining about people blanket stereotyping anyone with right wing opinions while doing exactly the same to anyone that disagrees with you.

Like i said you have no interest in debating or discussing anything, your only interest is projecting your own insecurities about your views onto others and hoping someone will validate you.

johnnyskeleton

It doesnt seem like this thread is going anywhere good