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    #5702
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Rodin wrote: »
    I like the idea of a technocracy.
    Far too sensible


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    #5703
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    cnocbui wrote: »
    It causes offence, which is an issue. When in Rome...

    Does it


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    #5704
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Does it

    Yes. They also cause considerable security concerns, and rightly so, since suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Cameroon, Chad, Iraq, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have all used the burqa as cover.


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    #5705
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,345 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yes. They also cause considerable security concerns, and rightly so, since suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Cameroon, Chad, Iraq, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have all used the burqa as cover.

    Any Western countries at all or just those kips?


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    #5706
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I would have agreed years ago but it hasn’t caused us any issues has it ?

    Been used for suicide bomb attacks in several countries.

    Plus women worldwide are forced into wearing it. Yes forced, by husbands who will beat them if they dont.

    If a white western man had come up with the idea there'd be national marches against the thing.
    The papers would have endless columns about suppression of women.
    Banned, no question.

    Theres been a lot of people banging on about womens rights lately, yet nothing about the women forced to wear these shame-bags.

    They'll have plenty to say about a bus driver calling them 'love'. Thats misogyny. Boo hoo. Column in the indo. Men need to listen.

    But for the women trapped in a bag by a zealot husband who believes her showing her face is the act of a whore, nothing to be said. Thats like ... different, or something.


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    #5707
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    cnocbui wrote: »
    It causes offence, which is an issue. When in Rome...

    How does it cause offence?


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    #5708
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Any Western countries at all or just those kips?

    Boeing 737 Maxs only crashed in the kips that are Ethiopia and Indonesia. For some strange reason, that was enough to get them grounded world wide. I don't understand it myself, they should have waited until one crashed in a non-kip country first, before over reacting.


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    #5709
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yes. They also cause considerable security concerns, and rightly so, since suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Cameroon, Chad, Iraq, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have all used the burqa as cover.
    So you’re offended by them AND they are a security concern?

    Would someone not wearing one be more likely to not look suspicious carrying a bomb?


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    #5710
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    85603 wrote: »
    Been used for suicide bomb attacks in several countries.

    Plus women worldwide are forced into wearing it. Yes forced, by husbands who will beat them if they dont.

    If a white western man had come up with the idea there'd be national marches against the thing.
    The papers would have endless columns about suppression of women.
    Banned, no question.

    Theres been a lot of people banging on about womens rights lately, yet nothing about the women forced to wear these shame-bags.

    They'll have plenty to say about a bus driver calling them 'love'. Thats misogyny. Boo hoo. Column in the indo. Men need to listen.

    But for the women trapped in a bag by a zealot husband who believes her showing her face is the act of a whore, nothing to be said. Thats like ... different, or something.
    And you want to force them NOT to wear it?

    They don’t get a break at all do they


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    #5711
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Any Western countries at all or just those kips?

    “These countries are kips” as a defence of the practice of a religion that’s the sole reason for those countries being “kips” is certainly an interesting tactic.


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    #5712
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Antares35 wrote: »
    How does it cause offence?

    How does a young woman wearing a mini skirt in Riyad or Qom give offence?


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    #5713
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    cnocbui wrote: »
    How does a young woman wearing a mini skirt in Riyad or Qom give offence?

    Not a great example


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    #5714
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    And you want to force them NOT to wear it?

    They don’t get a break at all do they

    But this is me intervening, as a man who is supposed to listen.

    Ive become aware of women being menaced into doing something by their partner.

    I'm supposed to not just stand by, right?


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    #5715
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    cnocbui wrote: »
    How does a young woman wearing a mini skirt in Riyad or Qom give offence?

    So is it a religious or cultural basis for the offence?


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    #5716
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    85603 wrote: »
    But this is me intervening, as a man who is supposed to listen.

    Ive become aware of women being menaced into doing something by their partner.

    I'm supposed to not just stand by, right?

    They asked you during your intervention to campaign on their behalf?


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    #5717
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    They asked you during your intervention to campaign on their behalf?

    Well apparently I'm supposed to be looking out for women in public, but just not when it involves the well established most acute form of actual, real misogyny which is to be found in our society.

    Listen, dont listen.

    Listen when a corpo worker whistled, dont listen when theres a growing culture with a deserved reputation for brutal objectification of women setting its roots.


    Saudi and the taliban, or Denmark and Switzerland. One side is wrong, but just which. Thats the problem.
    Hmmm its a tough one.


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    #5718
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Antares35 wrote: »
    So is it a religious or cultural basis for the offence?

    Why would it matter?


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    #5719
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Why would it matter?

    Always answering a question with a question hey.


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    #5720
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Always answering a question with a question hey.

    Why would you think that?


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    #5721
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    85603 wrote: »
    Well apparently I'm supposed to be looking out for women in public, but just not when it involves the well established most acute form of actual, real misogyny which is to be found in our society.

    Listen, dont listen.

    Listen when a corpo worker whistled, dont listen when theres a growing culture with a deserved reputation for brutal objectification of women setting its roots.


    Saudi and the taliban, or Denmark and Switzerland. One side is wrong, but just which. Thats the problem.
    Hmmm its a tough one.

    Have you discussed thus with Muslim women or are you a confused Batman type looking for a cause ? Just be yourself and fight injustice as you see it


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    #5722
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yes. They also cause considerable security concerns, and rightly so, since suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Cameroon, Chad, Iraq, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have all used the burqa as cover.

    ....cover for men as well.


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    #5723
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Have you discussed thus with Muslim women or are you a confused Batman type looking for a cause ? Just be yourself and fight injustice as you see it

    But I can just search online and see that more often than not women are forced to wear the things. If you see a woman wearing a burqa the odds are that she's doing so against her will.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2019/05/iran-abusive-forced-veiling-laws-police-womens-lives/

    I can do Batman, or Bruce Wayne, but I can't do Bat-Wayne/Bruce-man.

    Do I listen to all women, or just some? Which ones do I not listen to?
    Should I remain passive, or should I stand up where I see something wrong.


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    #5724
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    85603 wrote: »
    But I can just search online and see that more often than not women are forced to wear the things. If you see a woman wearing a burqa the odds are that she's doing so against her will.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2019/05/iran-abusive-forced-veiling-laws-police-womens-lives/

    I can do Batman, or Bruce Wayne, but I can't do Bat-Wayne/Bruce-man.

    Do I listen to all women, or just some? Which ones do I not listen to?
    Should I remain passive, or should I stand up where I see something wrong.

    What have the women asked you to do?
    There’s no point googling “what do women want me to do “ just ask them


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    #5725
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Take a stand against ?

    Dark Ages inspired misogynistic discrimination against females.


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    #5726
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    quintana76 wrote: »
    Dark Ages inspired misogynistic discrimination against females.

    There’s a lot of that in Ireland


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    #5727
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    There’s a lot of that in Ireland

    Where exactly. Plese give details of widespread discrimination against women in todays Ireland.
    Are you saying Ireland is on a par with the Islamic world?


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    #5728
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Not a great example

    How is it a bad example?


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    #5729
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    What have the women asked you to do?
    There’s no point googling “what do women want me to do “ just ask them

    Some women, from certain cultures, aren't allowed to speak up. Let alone converse in depth or be in the private company of an unknown man.
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    There’s a lot of that in Ireland


    Lets import more.


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    #5730
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    quintana76 wrote: »
    How is it a bad example?

    Because perhaps burqa’s don’t cause offence in Ireland ? (Which was the context of that post )


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    #5731
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    85603 wrote: »
    Some women, from certain cultures, aren't allowed to speak up. Let alone converse in depth or be in the private company of an unknown man.




    Lets import more.

    So what are we talking about now ? Is it banning burqas or Muslim immigrants?


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