G.P's and anti-anxiety meds

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Deleted User wrote: »

This is wrong. Xanax is a short acting benzodiazepine. It causes an intense calming effect that is short lived. Risk of aspiration/seizure from withdrawal is real with high doses

Seriously, look up how many you would have to take to overdose.

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katiek102010 wrote: »

I was on and off diazapam for 3 years. Tbh I get more good out of cbd oil

unless that cbt comes packed with thc you might as well take tic tacs. It does work but dosages needed exceeds anything sold on the market over the counter, thats why its let so lose to be sold for anything as it really doesn't do anything.will need to find research paper on amounts actually needed.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Seriously, look up how many you would have to take to overdose.

actually your correct its almost impossible to OD on benzos, all the fluff in the media never mentions any class a drugs or alcohol, Since it becomes lethal when paired with other CNS depressants.

ArchXStanton

mr_fegelien wrote: »

escitalopram is bull**** tbh..

I'm not saying it doesn't work for anxiety but the fact is, there's a reason benzos are the drug of choice for many addicts. It works instantly and potentiates alcohol.

Recovering alcos love benzos, I've been that soldier, normally librium is the benzo prescribed for withdrawal, Lexapro works for some people, it's just a matter of finding the right anti depressant that works for you. Benzos have their place, I think they're in some list of top ten drugs workdwide, which is a sign of the times,sadly. If you're a person tormented with anxiety and panic attacks daily which can be exhausting, there is no sweeter relief than benzos kicking in, but take them as prescribed or as a when as needed basis.

Dannyriver

Wibbs wrote: »

"Big pharma" is only one part of the issue with the fcuked up US medical business. One issue is that people end up on painkillers because their insurance, if they have it, won't always cover other therapies and surgeries that could cure or reduce the pain, but their insurance will cover the pain meds, for a time anyway. I knew one American who came to live here after he married a local and that had been his problem. In Ireland he got different therapies and an operation and didn't need the painkillers any more to nearly the same degree. He knew two others like that. For all the problems the Irish health service has, we should thank our lucky stars it's not the American system. A system which can make multimillionaires of doctors and is great if you're wealthy, but otherwise it's scarily inadequate.

Yet the most vulnerable vote for Trump, go figure.

Dannyriver

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Probably less harmful to you tbh. And i am not very liberal on drugs but i have to admit its potentially way less harmful than those drugs.

They have things like joint pain and arthritis listed in rare side affects most of them but i imagine being on them years increased the risk of that.

No one seem to mention it.

I swear they are going to find a link between things like fibromyalgia and that stuff at some point.

CBD is not harmful in any form or fashion, what makes you think there would be a need to qualify that it would be less harmful than a chemical.

banie01

Dannyriver wrote: »

CBD is not harmful in any form or fashion, what makes you think there would be a need to qualify that it would be less harmful than a chemical.

CBD is a chemical, Whats your point?

Its relative harmlessness and safety is a matter of record.
Its efficacy for any long term use however is not.

If after appropriate double blind studies it is deemed to be an effective medication for any ailment, then prescribe away

However the amount of anecdote surrounding it is quite distracting from any actual hard data.

mr_fegelien

Anyone here ever taken zolpidem/zolpicone (BDZ drugs)? Also known as Ambien. Heard people do weird **** on them combined with alcohol.

Bonniedog

Dannyriver wrote: »

Yet the most vulnerable vote for Trump, go figure.

The worst areas of poverty and degradation, drug abuse and crime are Democrat run cities. Chicago is good example. These cities overwhelmingly still vote Democrat.

New York escaped the cycle under Guiliano and NYPD getting its act together. On way down again under de Blasio.

Trump is strongest in the more settled and safe parts of the States. Democrats lost the last time because of relatively poor turnout from their own supporters,

banie01

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Anyone here ever taken zolpidem/zolpicone (BDZ drugs)? Also known as Ambien. Heard people do weird **** on them combined with alcohol.

Whats your thrust with these questions?
Share get high stories? There's no medical benefit to moxing Z's with alcohol and your own posts seem to be more like digging for "I was so stoned" stories?

Why not start a thread asking that?
Rather than dress it in a veneer of medical criticism?

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mr_fegelien wrote: »

Anyone here ever taken zolpidem/zolpicone (BDZ drugs)? Also known as Ambien. Heard people do weird **** on them combined with alcohol.

not much different to those who drink to much and do stupid $hit under influence, and later cant recall events. drugs like benzos just potentiate it more.

Airyfairy12

Bonniedog wrote: »

I suppose the thing to is, referring back to woman who became benzo dependent trying to kick the booze, is that if you are prescribing something to a person with proven susceptibility to addiction/dependency then you are running a big risk of replacing one substance with another.

She eventually stopped - not seen her in a while so not totally certain but was off for almost a year - by following a tapering regime, gradually reducing her alcohol intake to avoid withdrawals and then stopped.

Sounds similar to what people here have referred to in getting off GP prescribed drugs.

Im not a doctor but inst that a bit irresponsible to prescribe an addict an addictive drug, ive allot of alcoholics in my family, a few died from it, none of them were ever recommended benzos to get off the drink. I find that a mad thing to do.

Foweva Awone

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Im not a doctor but inst that a bit irresponsible to prescribe an addict an addictive drug, ive allot of alcoholics in my family, a few died from it, none of them were ever recommended benzos to get off the drink. I find that a mad thing to do.

It's actually really dangerous to come off alcohol cold turkey, the physical withdrawals can be fatal. I've done numerous detoxes myself, inpatient and outpatient, and have always been prescribed Librium for them. It's generally done on a reducing schedule over approx 1 week.

Airyfairy12

Foweva Awone wrote: »

It's actually really dangerous to come off alcohol cold turkey, the physical withdrawals can be fatal. I've done numerous detoxes myself, inpatient and outpatient, and have always been prescribed Librium for them. It's generally done on a reducing schedule over approx 1 week.

Yeah its like the body gets so dependent on the drink it cant function without it, scary stuff.
Well done you for going through detox.

mr_fegelien

I heard benzos and deliriant anti-histamines (benadryl) can increase the risk of dementia among people in all ages

Graces7

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

My doctor explained to me that the reason they dont give them out is because theres a generation of older people who are addicted to them as doctors handed them out so much 50 years ago. Theyre highly addictive, even if just taken for a short time. They only give them to old people, people with terminal illnesses and people going through a sudden trauma.

they say 6 days is all it takes for addiction. I was late middle age when I ditched them

They were hailed as miracle drugs when they came out... aka chemical strait jackets. Reduced the numbers of in patient admissions and cut costs. ( yes slightly cynical ) Most GPs I met knew almost nothing re withdrawal etc

Graces7

Foweva Awone wrote: »

It's actually really dangerous to come off alcohol cold turkey, the physical withdrawals can be fatal. I've done numerous detoxes myself, inpatient and outpatient, and have always been prescribed Librium for them. It's generally done on a reducing schedule over approx 1 week.

same with Valium etc. can cause clonic seizures and yes, death. Slow taper.

Spanish Eyes

The strange thing is, there are no limits on alcohol at all, which is a drug that people self medicate with all the time.

And there are many consequences, such as violence, self harm, hangovers, not being able to function and so on, but what the heck, it is legal.

Redneck Reject

As a combat vet with PTSD, my GP gave me Lexapro to help with the symptoms of Anxiety. I also know it takes a certain will power as well to control the feelings and urges that flair up. And at this time I am managing and that's all that can be hoped for. Simply relying on drugs to take everything away is a fantasy. You also have to put in the effort to just cope on a daily basis.

mr_fegelien

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The strange thing is, there are no limits on alcohol at all, which is a drug that people self medicate with all the time.

And there are many consequences, such as violence, self harm, hangovers, not being able to function and so on, but what the heck, it is legal.

To be fair, alcohol is a "dirty high" of benzodiazepaines. They have a cross in the GABA receptors they act on but alcohol is much harder to develop a dependence with most people. It's hard to overdose on without throwing up, people know themselves when they're drunk conversely, benzo addiction can happen very insiduously, you can take a staggering amount and not even feel the effects, and withdrawal is much more easier to achieve.

ArchXStanton

Redneck Reject wrote: »

As a combat vet with PTSD, my GP gave me Lexapro to help with the symptoms of Anxiety. I also know it takes a certain will power as well to control the feelings and urges that flair up. And at this time I am managing and that's all that can be hoped for. Simply relying on drugs to take everything away is a fantasy. You also have to put in the effort to just cope on a daily basis.

Wait until you try come off the Lexapro... Oh boy the brain zaps, feels like someone's hitting you with a stun gun every few minutes or glitches in the matrix

ILoveYourVibes

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I heard benzos and deliriant anti-histamines (benadryl) can increase the risk of dementia among people in all ages

Yes.

I made my mother come off them all. I help her manage things naturally now.

ArchXStanton

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes.

I made my mother come off them all. I help her manage things naturally now.

How so? If you don't mind me asking

ArchXStanton

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Wait until you try come off the Lexapro... Oh boy the brain zaps, feels like someone's hitting you with a stun gun every few minutes or glitches in the matrix

People react in different ways. I was on Lexapro and never experienced 'brain zaps' when on them or coming off.

ArchXStanton

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People react in different ways. I was on Lexapro and never experienced 'brain zaps' when on them or coming off.

Lucky you,it was an odd feeling, that drug never particularly agreed with me, made me very drowsy to the point of taking 2-3 naps during the day as well as a loss in motivation

mr_fegelien

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Lucky you,it was an odd feeling, that drug never particularly agreed with me, made me very drowsy to the point of taking 2-3 naps during the day as well as a loss in motivation

Are you sure that wasn't an antipsychotic? afaik, no antidepressants cause drowsiness. They are only either SSRI's or SNRI's which actually should make you anxious if anything and more "stimulated". Very surprising that you lost motivation.

Antipsychotics would block agonism of the dopamine, adrenergic, and serotonin receptors among many.

Graces7

Redneck Reject wrote: »

As a combat vet with PTSD, my GP gave me Lexapro to help with the symptoms of Anxiety. I also know it takes a certain will power as well to control the feelings and urges that flair up. And at this time I am managing and that's all that can be hoped for. Simply relying on drugs to take everything away is a fantasy. You also have to put in the effort to just cope on a daily basis.

amen to this; was thinking the same. The " a pill for every ill" mentality, rather than use willpower and changing lifestyle.
Taking a walk in the air, etc etc etc.
I do that now.... just a few minutes outdoors when things get oppressive.

As a very old person, in my youth we did not have all these meds; I think we were stronger for it. I certainly am. When darkness or panic strike as they do with all of us, I know how to cope. . Nor did we have counselling; families were supportive, or friends.

A different world.

Graces7

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Are you sure that wasn't an antipsychotic? afaik, no antidepressants cause drowsiness. They are only either SSRI's or SNRI's which actually should make you anxious if anything and more "stimulated". Very surprising that you lost motivation.

Antipsychotics would block agonism of the dopamine, adrenergic, and serotonin receptors among many.

They do. They often prescribe eg amytriptilene for pain ; they made an excellent sleeping pill...day and night.

skittles8710

Graces7 wrote: »

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Are you sure that wasn't an antipsychotic? afaik, no antidepressants cause drowsiness. They are only either SSRI's or SNRI's which actually should make you anxious if anything and more "stimulated". Very surprising that you lost motivation.

Antipsychotics would block agonism of the dopamine, adrenergic, and serotonin receptors among many.

They do. They often prescribe eg amytriptilene for pain ; they made an excellent sleeping pill...day and night.

I was also on them before and they didn't agree with me. While I didn't need to sleep during the day, I definitely fell asleep quicker and slept more. However I had horrendous vivid dreams/ nightmares, so although I was getting more sleep I actually felt more worn out.

Airyfairy12

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Are you sure that wasn't an antipsychotic? afaik, no antidepressants cause drowsiness. They are only either SSRI's or SNRI's which actually should make you anxious if anything and more "stimulated". Very surprising that you lost motivation.

Antipsychotics would block agonism of the dopamine, adrenergic, and serotonin receptors among many.

I was on Lexapro years ago and had the same reaction, I was drowsy all the time, sleeping 18 hours a day, missing college and had no motivation, head was in a fog all of the time. Doctor wouldnt believe me, said Lexapro doesnt cause drowsiness so I had to come off them myself cold turkey, for the following year I felt like my brain was being randomly electrocuted.

0lddog

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I was on Lexapro years ago and had the same reaction, I was drowsy all the time, sleeping 18 hours a day, missing college and had no motivation, head was in a fog all of the time. Doctor wouldnt believe me, said Lexapro doesnt cause drowsiness so I had to come off them myself cold turkey, for the following year I felt like my brain was being randomly electrocuted.

Did you read the information leaflet that should have come with the Lexapro ?

You can find PILs on the HPRA.IE website

In the case of Lexapro :

https://www.hpra.ie/homepage/medicines/medicines-information/find-a-medicine/results?query=LEXAPRO&field=TRADENAMES

"the following side effects have been reported:

Very common (affects more than 1 user in 10):

Feeling sick (nausea)

Common (affects 1 to 10 users in 100):

Blocked or runny nose (sinusitis)

Decreasedor increasedappetite

Anxiety, restlessness, abnormal dreams, difficulties falling asleep, feeling sleepy, dizziness, yawning, tremors, pricklingof the skin

Diarrhoea, constipation, vomiting, dry mouth

Increased sweating

Pain in muscles and joints (arthralgia and myalgia)

Sexual disturbances (delayed ejaculation, problems with erection, decreased sexual drive and women may experience difficulties achieving orgasm)

Fatigue, fever

Increased weigh ... "