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Bead filled wide cavity

  • 22-08-2019 6:20pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭


    Could someone explain how a masonry cavity wall fully filled with bead insulation prevents water reaching the internal leaf? Are they always combined with waterproof renders?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,143 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Read around the forum. Bead is an excepted form of cavity filling. Standard mortar render is fine


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    BryanF wrote: »
    Read around the forum. Bead is an excepted form of cavity filling. Standard mortar render is fine

    Would a brick outer be also accepted?

    There is a lot of cruft to read through, difficult to find gems. Though I'm sure people are tired of repeating themselves too, understandable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    moldy_sea wrote: »
    Would a brick outer be also accepted?

    There is a lot of cruft to read through, difficult to find gems. Though I'm sure people are tired of repeating themselves too, understandable.

    Will need engineering design signoff if wide cavity, especially if brick outside layer

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  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    moldy_sea wrote: »
    Would a brick outer be also accepted?

    There is a lot of cruft to read through, difficult to find gems. Though I'm sure people are tired of repeating themselves too, understandable.

    From NSAI Agrement certificate for one of the products....

    "Cavity walls with the outer leaf
    constructed using unrendered (fair-faced) block
    work are not suitable for full-fill cavity wall
    insulation. They are therefore not approved by
    this Certificate."


    "In normal exposure areas the types of outer
    leaf masonry finishes where the XXXXX Cavity
    Wall Insulation System is suitable are as follows:

     Impervious cladding and rendered walls with a
    minimum cavity width of 40 mm and up to
    12m in height, and
     Fair faced unrendered brickwork with tooled
    flush joints up to two storeys in height with a
    minimum cavity width of 40 mm.
     Walls must be in a good state of repair with
    no evidence of frost damage. Mortar joints
    must not show evidence of damage which
    would cause water ingress."

    So if your mum was using bead fill and wanted a brick outer would you try and talk her out of it and use a block and render instead?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,143 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    So your mum is building the house. And you want to know can she have a bead cavity fill with a brick outer leaf?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    BryanF wrote: »
    So your mum is building the house. And you want to know can she have a bead cavity fill with a brick outer leaf?

    Eh no, it was an expression. But your question is correct. And a follow on would be if you would you recommend block and render over brick as an outer?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,143 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Block & render with beads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    moldy_sea wrote: »
    From NSAI Agrement certificate for one of the products....


     Fair faced unrendered brickwork with tooled
    flush joints up to two storeys in height with a
    minimum cavity width of 40 mm.

    So if your mum was using bead fill and wanted a brick outer would you try and talk her out of it and use a block and render instead?

    The bit I've left from the NSAI cert would allow for a brick outer leaf (if the correct mortar finish is used) if that was your preference. Assuming the property is max 2 storey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭Metric Tensor


    Gileadi wrote: »
    The bit I've left from the NSAI cert would allow for a brick outer leaf (if the correct mortar finish is used) if that was your preference. Assuming the property is max 2 storey.

    Only in certain areas of the country with lower exposure. There will be a map in the middle of the agrement cert.


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