Ireland one of 6 countries which has agreed to take migrants from Med ship

Blueshoe

Why did Charlie Flanagan first say Ireland wouldn't be involved yet a few days later announced the opposite.

Because Europe gave him no choice. We have no choice. Increasing numbers will be arriving. Ireland will becoming Europes dumping ground for refugees. It's inevitable. Also forget about ever having our housing market and healthcare services functioning properly. The country has no money. We are in debt.

To try and raise more for the Exchequer expect a vat increase and a carbon tax under the guise of saving the planet. You can thank the 8% who voted green when your living costs yet again rise after the October budget.
A Mickey mouse country where the only people who don't benifit are those who get up and go to work everyday.

ShamNNspace

Kivaro wrote: »

If anything comes from this story, it is the demise of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) as a previously respected organisation that did some great medical humanitarian work all over the world. Now, it appears, they are part and parcel of the people smuggling process that it taking place off the African coast.

All donations to them should cease while they continue to act as an economic migrant ferry to Europe. It is startling obvious that a lot of what we see on our televisions about the situation onboard these migrant-ferries is highly orchestrated, and we should not be taken in by these PR clips.

Stopped paying attention to them ages ago.. Was actually dumbfounded when I heard a spokesperson for them on the evening news during the Syrian war say they refused to give the coordinates for any of their field hospitals to the Russians on advice from the US

InTheShadows

We desperately need a political party set up who is prepared to take on this madness. I hope it's not too late but we are headed into becoming the next Malmö or Birmingham.

Kivaro

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why did Charlie Flanagan first say Ireland wouldn't be involved yet a few days later announced the opposite.

Because Europe gave him no choice. We have no choice. Increasing numbers will be arriving. Ireland will becoming Europes dumping ground for refugees. It's inevitable. Also forget about ever having our housing market and healthcare services functioning properly. The country has no money. We are in debt.

To try and raise more for the Exchequer expect a vat increase and a carbon tax under the guise of saving the planet. You can thank the 8% who voted green when your living costs yet again rise after the October budget.
A Mickey mouse country where the only people who don't benifit are those who get up and go to work everyday.

Ireland’s national debt is now so high that every person in this country owes €42,500, and has one of the highest per capita public debt levels in the OECD. Ireland's debt repayment situation is extremely sensitive to any economic growth shocks ...................... and Brexit is around the corner.

Reading the headlines on the Sunday papers today; GPs all over the country are refusing new patients, hospital waiting lists continue to rise, our old and infirmed are still kept humiliatingly on hospital trolleys in hallways, our children have still agonising inordinate waits for sclerosis operations, our children and teenagers have no out-of-hour mental service facilities in my many counties around the country ....................... yet, we are now importing economic migrants from Africa.

Blueshoe

Kivaro wrote: »

Ireland’s national debt is now so high that every person in this country owes €42,500, and has one of the highest per capita public debt levels in the OECD. Ireland's debt repayment situation is extremely sensitive to any economic growth shocks ...................... and Brexit is around the corner.

Reading the headlines on the Sunday papers today; GPs all over the country are refusing new patients, hospital waiting lists continue to rise, our old and infirmed are still kept humiliatingly on hospital trolleys in hallways, our children have still agonising inordinate waits for sclerosis operations, our children and teenagers have no out-of-hour mental service facilities in my many counties around the country ....................... yet, we are now importing economic migrants from Africa.

Don't forget saving the planet. Tax increases are just around the corner to punish the working poor for driving to the shop or heating their homes in winter.

weldoninhio

Augme wrote: »

I find it far more outrageous that our current our spending millions of euro to stop us receiving €14bn in tax we are owed. Yet no one seems to care about that. €14bn might help built a few houses.

If you don’t have a clue what you are talking about, it’s best to say nothing. This has been explained multiple times on here.

Apple owe Ireland €0.

Apple may/or may not owe other EU countries money. The court case is ongoing.

The EU has decided that Ireland should become its debt collector and take the 14bn from Apple. Once this is collected it will be paid to the EU countries that Apple owe the money to, if they lose their case.

It is not rocket science. Apple owe us €0.

InTheShadows

Kivaro wrote: »

Ireland’s national debt is now so high that every person in this country owes €42,500, and has one of the highest per capita public debt levels in the OECD. Ireland's debt repayment situation is extremely sensitive to any economic growth shocks ...................... and Brexit is around the corner.

Reading the headlines on the Sunday papers today; GPs all over the country are refusing new patients, hospital waiting lists continue to rise, our old and infirmed are still kept humiliatingly on hospital trolleys in hallways, our children have still agonising inordinate waits for sclerosis operations, our children and teenagers have no out-of-hour mental service facilities in my many counties around the country ....................... yet, we are now importing economic migrants from Africa.

And the liberals have enabled the perfect defence calling everyone who questions this madness racist.

Blueshoe

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you don’t have a clue what you are talking about, it’s best to say nothing. This has been explained multiple times on here.

Apple owe Ireland €0.

Apple may/or may not owe other EU countries money. The court case is ongoing.

The EU has decided that Ireland should become its debt collector and take the 14bn from Apple. Once this is collected it will be paid to the EU countries that Apple owe the money to, if they lose their case.

It is not rocket science. Apple owe us €0.

The EU have said that Ireland provided state aid to Apple. Didn't charge enough tax. There is also interest owed on that non payment. Ireland will distribute the money to other EU countries. But to say Ireland is owed zero is incorrect.

Also why didn't the government charge the correct tax?

Raconteuse

vriesmays wrote: »

Ireland is the dumbest country in Western Europe. Africa is the dumbest continent. There's the connection.

How come this anti Irish sh1t is ok?

And its thankers - thought you were supposed to be patriotic? Self loathing is the opposite to patriotism.

Blueshoe

Raconteuse wrote: »

How come this anti Irish sh1t is ok?

And its thankers - thought you were supposed to be patriotic? Self loathing is the opposite to patriotism.

Patriotism is the same as nationalism. It's not permitted.

We are European not Irish

Raconteuse

Blueshoe wrote: »

Patriotism is the same as nationalism. It's not permitted.

We are European not Irish

Doesn't answer my question.

Makes no sense to be complaining about Ireland being undermined by immigration policy, and then agreeing with that sh1t.

Blueshoe

Raconteuse wrote: »

Doesn't answer my question.

Makes no sense to be complaining about Ireland being undermined by immigration policy, and then agreeing with that sh1t.

Unfortunately that's life. You will have many unanswered questions. You might feel hard done by but few care about feelings.

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Raconteuse wrote: »

How come this anti Irish sh1t is ok?
And its thankers - thought you were supposed to be patriotic? Self loathing is the opposite to patriotism.

Perhaps 'Raconteuse' (that's such a lovely French word) if you can't criticise yourself, who can you criticise?

There is also such a thing as 'constructive criticism' whereby solutions can be found by asking questions and highlghting issues.

What did the other (27/28) countries reply when asked? Strange only Ireland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Portugal and Romania agreed to take 356.
Vast majority men, and 2/3 from Sudan, with others from Ivory Coast, Mali and Senegal. Taken from 'Libyan' waters.

Italy tries rightfully to hold these illegal black market people trafficking vessels in the water for as long as possible within reason, otherwise they'd be loaded up again the very next day to repeat again, again and again.

Blueshoe

Houston Acidic Starlet wrote: »

Perhaps 'Raconteuse' (that's such a lovely French word) if you can't criticise yourself, who can you criticise?

There is also such a thing as 'constructive criticism' whereby solutions can be found by asking questions and highlghting issues.

What did the other (27/28) countries reply when asked? Strange only Ireland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Portugal and Romania agreed to take 356.
Vast majority men, and 2/3 from Sudan, with others from Ivory Coast, Mali and Senegal. Taken from 'Libyan' waters.

Italy tries rightfully to hold these illegal black market people trafficking vessels in the water for as long as possible within reason, otherwise they'd be loaded up again the very next day to repeat again, again and again.

What happens when the next boat leaves northern Africa and the next and the countless ones after. Ireland has signed up now so we will be first in the list to come collect.
Stupid country full of drones. Whinge into their pints at the weekend.

Raconteuse

Blueshoe wrote: »

Unfortunately that's life. You will have many unanswered questions. You might feel hard done by but few care about feelings.

Jeez that's fairly melodramatic. Nobody built it up to that but you.

Houston Acidic Starlet wrote: »

Perhaps 'Raconteuse' (that's such a lovely French word) if you can't criticise yourself, who can you criticise?

There is also such a thing as 'constructive criticism'

There is indeed. And the post I highlighted is not an example of same. I'm not objecting to questioning of Ireland's policy in this regard btw - I agree with the concerns. I just can't stand the Irish self loathing thing. And it's particularly ironic when coming from people who want to defend Ireland from immigration. They're also lacking self awareness, seeing as they're also Irish.

There are plenty of things I criticise about Ireland, but "Ireland is the dumbest country in western Europe" - they would lose their sh1t if a muslim said that, and they're also the ones who always say "you can't criticise a black person but it's ok to criticise white people". Again, no self awareness. And... dumb.

Il Fascista

Raconteuse wrote: »

Jeez that's fairly melodramatic. Nobody built it up to that but you.



There are plenty of things I criticise about Ireland, but "Ireland is the dumbest country in western Europe" - they would lose their sh1t if a muslim said that, and they're also the ones who always say "you can't criticise a black person but it's ok to criticise white people". Again, no self awareness. And... dumb.

To be fair we literally have one of lowest western European IQ averages:
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
https://jakubmarian.com/average-iq-in-europe-by-country-map/
https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

I don't think IQ is the problem to be honest, it's corruption and our blind anti colonialist mindset which often overlaps with a nonsensical alliance with any group we view as "downtrodden" due to our oppressive history.

Raconteuse

The post colonial mindset is also evident in those who talk about their own people the way the Irish were spoken about and depicted in the UK and US in the 19th century.

It's pathetic.

Germany and Sweden have the same policy regarding immigration - they're not being referred to as the dumbest countries in Western Europe.

Blueshoe

Raconteuse wrote: »

The post colonial mindset is also evident in those who talk about their own people the way the Irish were spoken about and depicted in the UK and US in the 19th century.

It's pathetic.

Germany and Sweden have the same policy regarding immigration - they're not being referred to as the dumbest countries in Western Europe.

Both the Swedish and German economies are going into recession.

notobtuse

Wow. It takes 6 countries to take in 356 migrants? I think the US takes in that many every 4 hours and is criticized by the world for not taking in more.

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

Both the Swedish and German economies are going into recession.

All economies are likely to go into a recession, has nothing to do with migration.

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

All economies are likely to go into a recession, has nothing to do with migration.

Both have taken in huge numbers of migrants. Both are seeing the rise of right and hard right parties. Both are on the brink of recession.

Poland takes in a tiny number of migrants. Poland's economy is in a golden age of unprecedented growth.

Be like Poland

Look at the handy chart through the link below of economic growth by country. Have a look at the counties at the top and at the bottom. If you think about migration and where people are going what do you notice?

Disregard the tax havens ie Malta , Ireland.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16934/percentage-economic-growth-expected-in-eu-member-states/

road_high

notobtuse wrote: »

Wow. It takes 6 countries to take in 356 migrants? I think the US takes in that many every 4 hours and is criticized by the world for not taking in more.

In addition to how many million that have gone before? Europe needs to seal the borders water tight with Africa and the Middle East or else this non sense is going to continue and grow

road_high

Blueshoe wrote: »

Both have taken in huge numbers of migrants. Both are seeing the rise of right and hard right parties. Both are on the brink of recession.

Poland takes in a tiny number of migrants. Poland's economy is in a golden age of unprecedented growth.

Be like Poland

No one can afford to take in economic migrants that have contributed nothing to an economy ever and offer them the same social expenditure as those already there , not even Germany. Likely a massive drain on already strained resources but no one will admit it

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

Both have taken in huge numbers of migrants. Both are seeing the rise of right and hard right parties. Both are on the brink of recession.

Poland takes in a tiny number of migrants. Poland's economy is in a golden age of unprecedented growth.

Be like Poland

Can you show an actual basis that migrants are responsible for those countries entering recessions? It will be a global recession, the US will enter it and they have an extraordinarily xenophobic president, if anything he is likely to make it worse via trade wars.

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

Can you show an actual basis that migrants are responsible for those countries entering recessions? It will be a global recession, the US will enter it and they have an extraordinarily xenophobic president, if anything he is likely to make it worse via trade wars.

Did you look at the chart?

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

Did you look at the chart?

That still doesn't prove what you're claiming.... You're telling me to disregard the likes of Ireland and Malta because they don't suit your narrative

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

That still doesn't prove what you're claiming.... You're telling me to disregard the likes of Ireland and Malta because they don't suit your narrative

No because they are tax havens or have their economies figures skewed by multinationals. Obviously.

What about the rest. Paints a picture doesn't it

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

No because they are tax havens or have their economies figures skewed by multinationals. Obviously.

What about the rest. Paints a picture doesn't it

No it doesn't, it's literally a chart that gives no indication that inward migration negatively affects the economy or that they're driving Germany or Ireland etc into recessions.

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

No it doesn't, it's literally a chart that gives no indication that inward migration negatively affects the economy or that they're driving Germany or Ireland etc into recessions.

It's a chart showing expected economic growth by country. Now cross reference that chart with countries who take in large numbers of migrants and countries who don't.
Strange that all of the ones who do or who have taken in large numbers are at the bottom in expected growth while those who don't take in large numbers are at the top.

Strange that they are all grouped together. All of them. Is it a coincidence or what do you think?

You won't find any European agency putting out any stats or charts that reflect migration negatively. That's a big no-no. We know which ones take in the most and we know which ones the least and we can see the economic growth predictions. Join the dots

https://www.statista.com/chart/16934/percentage-economic-growth-expected-in-eu-member-states/

Bonniedog

road_high wrote: »

No one can afford to take in economic migrants that have contributed nothing to an economy ever and offer them the same social expenditure as those already there , not even Germany. Likely a massive drain on already strained resources but no one will admit it

That's it in a nutshell.

Not only have European states no moral obligation to provide money, health care, education, housing etc to millions of people from Africa and Asia, but can only do so at massive cost to their own citizens.

On top of that there is increased crime and other social negatives. For example there have been thousands of young girls treated for FGM n Irish hospitals. something unknown here, and ironically one of main excuses given by Nigerians who come here and then have the torture inflicted anyway!

Anyone who believes there is upside to this is an imbecile.