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RIP David Koch

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    #2
    Guy:Incognito
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    https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts/charles-koch-the-luke-skywalker-of-rich-people.htm

    That ones about Charles but David gets plenty of mentions iirc. Plus they come up plenty in other episodes.

    Robert Evans is not a fan :)


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    KyussB
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    Funny, I just came here for the first time in a while, to see if there was a thread on this.

    A day for celebration - haven't been so delighted at someones death since Thatcher died. One of the leading propagandists who helped delay the fight against climate change, dead.


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    PopePalpatine
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    The White House's flags will be at half-mast.


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    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Climate change ain't got nothin' on where he's going.

    Pure evil. Good riddance to him.


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    Brian?
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    Angela Melodic Mullet wrote: »
    David Koch, the younger of the Koch brothers, died today aged 79.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/billionaire-david-koch-who-spent-heavily-to-back-conservative-causes-dies-11566563837

    Honest question. If there is a heaven, do you think he qualified to rest in peace there?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    NoteAgent
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    Whatever his views, he still employed hundreds of thousands of people.
    If he was poor and he held these views you wouldnt care as much I bet LMAO


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    endacl
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Whatever his viLMA, he still employed hundreds of thousands of people.
    If he was poor and he held these views you wouldnt care as much I bet LMAO

    If he was poor and held those views, he wouldn’t have been in a position to influence policy. He’d just have been a cnut nobody hsd heard of.


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    batgoat
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Whatever his viLMA, he still employed hundreds of thousands of people.
    If he was poor and he held these views you wouldnt care as much I bet LMAO

    He used his wealth in an incredibly negative way. A poor person doesn't have that power so it's unlikely to make it onto any person's radar.


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    Yer Da sells Avon
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Whatever his views, he still employed hundreds of thousands of people.

    That's not a get out of hell card.


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    McMurphy
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    He was a right grade A koch.


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    NoteAgent
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    That's not a get out of hell card.

    So putting food on all these peoples tables doesnt count for anything?

    Its awful what he did to politics but still


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    BDI
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    That's not a get out of hell card.

    You want to put him in jail?

    He bluppin dead!


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    ancapailldorcha
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    Can't bring myself to take pleasure from anyone's death. Unfortunately, the Kochs have deployed their vast fortune, influence and resources in a manner intended to benefit them by dividing society. This is no loss.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    Dana Raspy Cowboy
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    Even the maggots will give him a wide berth.


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    Morgans
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Whatever his views, he still employed hundreds of thousands of people.
    If he was poor and he held these views you wouldnt care as much I bet LMAO

    He called in ICE to deport hundreds of illegal immigrant workers (who he employed) after a threatened lawsuit

    https://newfoodeconomy.org/u-visa-ice-immigration-raid-koch-foods-labor-abuse-poultry-slaughterhouse-mississippi/

    A person who does horrible things when alive, should NOT have their record wiped clean because they died. A count is still a count.


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    Force Carrier
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    Every individual wants to consume huge amounts of goods and services every day of their life. That's what our civilisation is based on. Mass production of and mass consumption of goods and services. The human species is responsible for the depletion of the earths resources and destruction of its environment.

    Can't lay it all on one bogey man industrialist.


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    Sir Oxman
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    Zero loss to humanity.


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    Morgans
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    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Zero loss to humanity.

    net plus I would have thought


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    Professor Moriarty
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    Force Carrier wrote: »
    Every individual wants to consume huge amounts of goods and services every day of their life. That's what our civilisation is based on. Mass production of and mass consumption of goods and services. The human species is responsible for the depletion of the earths resources and destruction of its environment.

    Can't lay it all on one bogey man industrialist.

    No, not all. But Koch and his ilk are infinitely more culpable than you and me.


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    James Brown
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    Force Carrier wrote: »
    Every individual wants to consume huge amounts of goods and services every day of their life. That's what our civilisation is based on. Mass production of and mass consumption of goods and services. The human species is responsible for the depletion of the earths resources and destruction of its environment.

    Can't lay it all on one bogey man industrialist.

    Some people will leave a biscuit for someone else, others want all the biscuits and to own the plate so they can rent it back to you. When is enough enough? In short we are all capable of being Kochs, but most of us aren't.


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    NoteAgent
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Some people will leave a biscuit for someone else, others want all the biscuits and to own the plate so they can rent it back to you. When is enough enough? In short we are all capable of being Kochs, but most of us aren't.

    How do you suppose the people who take the risk in setting up a business are rewarded for employing people (who dont take any risk)?

    Looks to me that he was an exceptional business man. He was obviously a c*nt for his political donations but do you feel the same about business people in general?


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    Sir Guy who smiles
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    How do you suppose the people who take the risk in setting up a business are rewarded for employing people (who dont take any risk)?

    Looks to me that he was an exceptional business man. He was obviously a c*nt for his political donations but do you feel the same about business people in general?

    People who take the risk in setting up a business...are rewarded by the success of their business. The money is their reward.

    Employers are rewarded by their employees..with their work.

    The days of grovelling because the nobility let you eke out a living on their estate are gone.

    The argument that being an employer excuses everything is a common one, but how far do you take it?


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    Danzy
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    The White House's flags will be at half-mast.

    They and Trump disagreed on a lot of key issues, especially his position on migration and the Wall.

    Which they saw as essentially Socialist in that it was the State interfering in the free market, benefiting workers at the cost of corporate business. Libertarians for ya.

    No love lost there.


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    nkl12xtw5goz70
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    KyussB wrote: »
    A day for celebration - haven't been so delighted at someones death since Thatcher died.

    It's not quite the same, though, is it? When Thatcher was gone, she was gone. But Charles Koch lives on.

    (In fact, there are four Koch brothers — Frederick, Charles, Bill, and the late David — not two, as commonly assumed.)


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    Professor Moriarty
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    Angela Melodic Mullet wrote: »
    It's not quite the same, though, is it? When Thatcher was gone, she was gone. But Charles Koch lives on.

    (In fact, there are four Koch brothers — Frederick, Charles, Bill, and the late David — not two, as commonly assumed.)

    Plenty of Thatcherites in the Tory party today.


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    It would be difficult to find anyone, anywhere in the world, more responsible for endangering the future of humanity, than this man. I wouldn't say I'm celebrating his death. (Nor is his death somehow going to kill the ideas he stood for and the policies he helped enact). But the world is better off without him. It would have been better still if he and his brother were dead thirty years ago.


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    KyussB
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    Angela Melodic Mullet wrote: »
    It's not quite the same, though, is it? When Thatcher was gone, she was gone. But Charles Koch lives on.

    (In fact, there are four Koch brothers — Frederick, Charles, Bill, and the late David — not two, as commonly assumed.)
    There's plenty more were both Thatcher and David came from - what they have in common is both being high up in terms of hard earned detestability.


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    20Cent
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    Hope the Koch brothers are reunited together as soon as possible.


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    Dana Raspy Cowboy
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Angela Melodic Mullet wrote: »
    It's not quite the same, though, is it? When Thatcher was gone, she was gone. But Charles Koch lives on.

    (In fact, there are four Koch brothers — Frederick, Charles, Bill, and the late David — not two, as commonly assumed.)

    Plenty of Thatcherites in the Tory party today.
    And the Labour Party


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    kildare lad
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    Good , a man who used his money to corrupt and influence politicians so he could make more money . Hes prime example of everything that wrong with politicians stateside.


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