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RIP David Koch
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Can't remember the death of a public figure been treated with such warm welcome.
Were the brothers in the movie trading places based on the koch bros?0 -
In the words of Mark Twain:Mark Twain wrote:I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.0
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Force Carrier wrote: »Every individual wants to consume huge amounts of goods and services every day of their life. That's what our civilisation is based on. Mass production of and mass consumption of goods and services. The human species is responsible for the depletion of the earths resources and destruction of its environment.
Can't lay it all on one bogey man industrialist.
I absolutely don't, and it sickens me that so many of us cannot get off that wheel and just ask ourselves do we need all the stuff we buy (we don't). There are many, many people in my parents' generation who consume much less than people in my generation and they're arguably happier. There is zero leadership from above here because the entire capitalist system, as we've currently constituted it, depends on our consuming more and more and more of all these things which we don't need. Reducing production/consumption would help the world far more than increasing recycling would. And while I recycle as much as possible, it is clear there is not the political will to do anything but promote greater consumption.
I've started leaving as much of the packaging as possible in the supermarkets which offer that service as my small message to them to come up with environmentally smarter ways to sell their products (my recycling at home is a set fee regardless so that's not my incentive to leave my packaging in Aldi/Lidl). But resolving the systemic destruction of our current capitalist system is much bigger than any of us and we need to have a load of destructive practices outlawed and make it much easier for us to be kinder to our planet. This is the issue which future generations will look back in horror at us for.0 -
I see the gross, hateful and soulless ghouls have crawled out from behind the woodwork to rejoice in the death of a philanthropist. His mortal sin... he sometimes donated money to conservative causes despite supporting women’s causes, broke with the GOP when it came to gay marriage and the war in Iraq, and even supported delving deep into how much funding the military really needs.
He contributed more than $1.295 billion to medical research, education, arts, and public policy. And with the vast wealth he left behind his philanthropic legacy will likely continue and grow bigger.
Some of the evil things he has done with his money?
Given...
$185 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
According to Koch Industries records, the money helped fund cancer research, a childcare center, biology building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering.
$150 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
It was the largest single gift the center received. The money went to build an outpatient medical facility.
$100 million
New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Koch sent the nine-figure donation to help build an ambulatory care center in his honor. Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.
$100 million
New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
The theatre is now known as the David H. Koch Theatre.
$66.7 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
This donation went to assist the center with additional research funds.
$65 million
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
The New York museum had their plaza renovated with the money.
$35 million
Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
Koch’s money was spent renovating the museum’s dinosaur hall and $15 million went toward the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins.
$26.5 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
The donation assisted with the research of genitourinary cancers, resulting in a center bearing his name.
$26.2 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
This charitable donation served as a capital campaign along with other causes
$20 million
American Museum of Natural History, New York
The Dinosaur Wing of the museum was named for his monetary assistance.
$20 million
Johns Hopkins University
The eight-figure donation sent to cancer research at a center named for Koch.
$10 million
Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
This donation created the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
Continue to stay classy boards. Douchbags!You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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They also blackmailed their gay brother to sell his shares or they were gonna out him to their father.. They're pretty reprehensible.
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While he has funded a lot of stuff (been it called your name is very egotistical) he did do some bad things see post below the quoted post. So just because he did good does not mean it wipes anything out. Epstein, Saville, Harris all did financial contribution to and y.I see the gross, hateful and soulless ghouls have crawled out from behind the woodwork to rejoice in the death of a philanthropist. His mortal sin... he sometimes donated money to conservative causes despite supporting women’s causes, broke with the GOP when it came to gay marriage and the war in Iraq, and even supported delving deep into how much funding the military really needs.
He contributed more than $1.295 billion to medical research, education, arts, and public policy. And with the vast wealth he left behind his philanthropic legacy will likely continue and grow bigger.
Some of the evil things he has done with his money?
Given...
$185 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
According to Koch Industries records, the money helped fund cancer research, a childcare center, biology building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering.
$150 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
It was the largest single gift the center received. The money went to build an outpatient medical facility.
$100 million
New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Koch sent the nine-figure donation to help build an ambulatory care center in his honor. Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.
$100 million
New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
The theatre is now known as the David H. Koch Theatre.
$66.7 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
This donation went to assist the center with additional research funds.
$65 million
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
The New York museum had their plaza renovated with the money.
$35 million
Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
Koch’s money was spent renovating the museum’s dinosaur hall and $15 million went toward the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins.
$26.5 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
The donation assisted with the research of genitourinary cancers, resulting in a center bearing his name.
$26.2 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
This charitable donation served as a capital campaign along with other causes
$20 million
American Museum of Natural History, New York
The Dinosaur Wing of the museum was named for his monetary assistance.
$20 million
Johns Hopkins University
The eight-figure donation sent to cancer research at a center named for Koch.
$10 million
Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
This donation created the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
Continue to stay classy boards. Douchbags!
However I agree I can never celebrate a death even if it is good there gone. Some on here seem to believe with him gone (and soon the brothers) as if all will be good. How about the millions of others with there ideals and how about the politicans, it seems some here are giving them a free pass as if it was all Kosh doing.0 -
By far their favoured 'donated' activity was/is funding propaganda aimed at spreading falsehoods and withholding/delaying truths from mainstream discussin - in ways that, among other things, greatly delayed proper public realization of the seriousness of climate change, and still today is delaying a proper response to climate change despite that growing realization.
He was a wilful doubt peddlers of the most unethical kind, with an ability to influence the world, in a way that has an indirect death toll attached to it.
Celebrating the death of someone who played a key enabling part, in upholding a system that he knows will lead to enormous numbers of deaths - there is pretty much zero ethical/moral ambiguity to it.0 -
I see the gross, hateful and soulless ghouls have crawled out from behind the woodwork to rejoice in the death of a philanthropist. His mortal sin... he sometimes donated money to conservative causes despite supporting women’s causes, broke with the GOP when it came to gay marriage and the war in Iraq, and even supported delving deep into how much funding the military really needs.
He contributed more than $1.295 billion to medical research, education, arts, and public policy. And with the vast wealth he left behind his philanthropic legacy will likely continue and grow bigger.
Some of the evil things he has done with his money?
Given...
$185 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
According to Koch Industries records, the money helped fund cancer research, a childcare center, biology building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering.
$150 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
It was the largest single gift the center received. The money went to build an outpatient medical facility.
$100 million
New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Koch sent the nine-figure donation to help build an ambulatory care center in his honor. Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.
$100 million
New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
The theatre is now known as the David H. Koch Theatre.
$66.7 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
This donation went to assist the center with additional research funds.
$65 million
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
The New York museum had their plaza renovated with the money.
$35 million
Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
Koch’s money was spent renovating the museum’s dinosaur hall and $15 million went toward the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins.
$26.5 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
The donation assisted with the research of genitourinary cancers, resulting in a center bearing his name.
$26.2 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
This charitable donation served as a capital campaign along with other causes
$20 million
American Museum of Natural History, New York
The Dinosaur Wing of the museum was named for his monetary assistance.
$20 million
Johns Hopkins University
The eight-figure donation sent to cancer research at a center named for Koch.
$10 million
Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
This donation created the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
Continue to stay classy boards. Douchbags!
It gives cover to claim he is a philantropist and turn a blind eye to the horrible divisive fascistic rascist propoganda that he bankrolls, the main force behind the tea party, and the main fuel behind right wing arsehole machine. I'd bet that anyone supporting the Koch brothers, crying over the philantrophy he did without mentioning his propaganda is only part of that grift, either trolling or one of those "douchebag". Shame he didn't die 10 years ago.0 -
I see the gross, hateful and soulless ghouls have crawled out from behind the woodwork to rejoice in the death of a philanthropist. His mortal sin... he sometimes donated money to conservative causes despite supporting women’s causes, broke with the GOP when it came to gay marriage and the war in Iraq, and even supported delving deep into how much funding the military really needs.
He contributed more than $1.295 billion to medical research, education, arts, and public policy. And with the vast wealth he left behind his philanthropic legacy will likely continue and grow bigger.
Some of the evil things he has done with his money?
Given...
$185 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
According to Koch Industries records, the money helped fund cancer research, a childcare center, biology building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering.
$150 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
It was the largest single gift the center received. The money went to build an outpatient medical facility.
$100 million
New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Koch sent the nine-figure donation to help build an ambulatory care center in his honor. Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.
$100 million
New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
The theatre is now known as the David H. Koch Theatre.
$66.7 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
This donation went to assist the center with additional research funds.
$65 million
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
The New York museum had their plaza renovated with the money.
$35 million
Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
Koch’s money was spent renovating the museum’s dinosaur hall and $15 million went toward the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins.
$26.5 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
The donation assisted with the research of genitourinary cancers, resulting in a center bearing his name.
$26.2 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
This charitable donation served as a capital campaign along with other causes
$20 million
American Museum of Natural History, New York
The Dinosaur Wing of the museum was named for his monetary assistance.
$20 million
Johns Hopkins University
The eight-figure donation sent to cancer research at a center named for Koch.
$10 million
Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
This donation created the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
Continue to stay classy boards. Douchbags!
Stay classy douchebags.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations
David Koch has acknowledged that the family exerts tight ideological control. “If we’re going to give a lot of money, we’ll make darn sure they spend it in a way that goes along with our intent,” he told Doherty. “And if they make a wrong turn and start doing things we don’t agree with, we withdraw funding.”
Weaponised philantropy.0 -
How you can expect to be remembered is a lot about how you use the power and influence you have. The Koch lads use their considerable power and influence to build their own power influence and wealth. Screw the little guy whenever it suites them, opposed the kinds of things that would Improve things for the common man at government level. Opposed unions, opposed labour protection, supported tax cuts for the rich and service cuts and pay cuts for the poor.
I think it's reasonable that they will be remembered by the vast majority of people as complete and utter pricks. I wish there was an afterlife so they could get what they deserve, but there isn't so he's got away with everything he's done. Such is life. And death.0 -
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I see the gross, hateful and soulless ghouls have crawled out from behind the woodwork to rejoice in the death of a philanthropist. His mortal sin... he sometimes donated money to conservative causes despite supporting women’s causes, broke with the GOP when it came to gay marriage and the war in Iraq, and even supported delving deep into how much funding the military really needs.
He contributed more than $1.295 billion to medical research, education, arts, and public policy. And with the vast wealth he left behind his philanthropic legacy will likely continue and grow bigger.
Some of the evil things he has done with his money?
Given...
$185 million
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
According to Koch Industries records, the money helped fund cancer research, a childcare center, biology building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering.
$150 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
It was the largest single gift the center received. The money went to build an outpatient medical facility.
$100 million
New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Koch sent the nine-figure donation to help build an ambulatory care center in his honor. Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.
$100 million
New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
The theatre is now known as the David H. Koch Theatre.
$66.7 million
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
This donation went to assist the center with additional research funds.
$65 million
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
The New York museum had their plaza renovated with the money.
$35 million
Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
Koch’s money was spent renovating the museum’s dinosaur hall and $15 million went toward the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins.
$26.5 million
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
The donation assisted with the research of genitourinary cancers, resulting in a center bearing his name.
$26.2 million
The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
This charitable donation served as a capital campaign along with other causes
$20 million
American Museum of Natural History, New York
The Dinosaur Wing of the museum was named for his monetary assistance.
$20 million
Johns Hopkins University
The eight-figure donation sent to cancer research at a center named for Koch.
$10 million
Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
This donation created the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
Continue to stay classy boards. Douchbags!
Jimmy Savile raised 40 million for charities.0 -
"As for his remains, he wants to be cremated and his ashes blown into a child's lungs. The Amazon is burning up so fck him, I'm glad he's dead"
Always quality from Bill Maher0 -
Stay classy douchebags.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations
David Koch has acknowledged that the family exerts tight ideological control. “If we’re going to give a lot of money, we’ll make darn sure they spend it in a way that goes along with our intent,” he told Doherty. “And if they make a wrong turn and start doing things we don’t agree with, we withdraw funding.”
Weaponised philantropy.
I’m sure George Soros doesn’t donate to causes that advocate for proper border control, and he’d be quick to withdraw funding if they started doing so. I wonder how many anti-abortion foundations Soros funds. Would you class his philanthropy as weaponised philanthropy also?
How about the well publicised story of the (black) billionaire that paid the student loans of the 2019 graduating students of Morehouse College - ‘a private, historically black men’s college’. Weaponised philanthropy?0 -
Never ceases to amaze me the craven forelock tugging that some people will engage in regarding the ultra rich. He employed people? He donated some money to hospitals?
Meanwhile he was the financial engine behind dismantling democracy, disinformation, accelerating and denying climate change, aggressive efforts at local, state and federal level to carbonise the economy in every way imaginable, suppress unions, public transport, etc etc. The lads genuflecting about this guy should probably keep in mind he aggressively pursued the endangerment of humanity just to enrich himself. These guys would make a lampshade out of your skin if they thought there was a few quid in it for them.0 -
i've done the maths. According to notobtuse, over his life time Koch donated $704m from a total wealth of $48billion. That's 1.4%.
That is equivalent to an average Irish worker earning €39,000 a year (average industrial wage) donating, wait for it.........€546. Over his lifetime. 1.4%.
€546 and we are supposed to be impressed?
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Dog Man Star wrote: »total wealth of $48billion.
The fact that an individual can accumulate such vast wealth is indicative of a broken system that needs serious reform.0 -
Junkyard Tom wrote: »The fact that an individual can accumulate such vast wealth is indicative of a broken system that needs serious reform.
Yes, only the communist party elite should be allowed to accumulate such wealth, power and privilege.0 -
Sonny noggs wrote: »I’m sure George Soros doesn’t donate to causes that advocate for proper border control, and he’d be quick to withdraw funding if they started doing so. I wonder how many anti-abortion foundations Soros funds. Would you class his philanthropy as weaponised philanthropy also?
How about the well publicised story of the (black) billionaire that paid the student loans of the 2019 graduating students of Morehouse College - ‘a private, historically black men’s college’. Weaponised philanthropy?
I regret responding initially. I didn't realise the person who posted it has been regurgitating the same right wing talking points around the forum. I'm not going to waste my time debating disingenuous time wasters. Continue with your whataboutery without my attention.0 -
Yeah that's exactly what he said.Sonny noggs wrote: »Junkyard Tom wrote: »The fact that an individual can accumulate such vast wealth is indicative of a broken system that needs serious reform.
Yes, only the communist party elite should be allowed to accumulate such wealth, power and privilege.
This kind of nonsense is why nobody wants to debate with far right ideological loons.0 -
I regret responding initially. I didn't realise the person who posted it has been regurgitating the same right wing talking points around the forum. I'm not going to waste my time debating disingenuous time wasters. Continue with your whataboutery without my attention.
Yeah, just as I thought ‘weaponised philanthropy’ is only a problem when the ‘other side’ does it. Point proven. Cheers. No further response required.0 -
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Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »Yeah that's exactly what he said.
This kind of nonsense is why nobody wants to debate with far right ideological loons.
Tom is advocating communism. Every ideology has an elite, the difference between capitalism and communism is who the elite are, and who selects them.
Look at the Soviet Union - the elite had dachas, exclusive apartment blocks, dedicated shops, limousines, drivers, even their own lane in Moscow.
The communist system may not have been based on money but the elite had more power and privilege than a US billionaire could ever hope for.0 -
So...ignoring the fact that the notion that anyone could have more privilege than an oil billionaire is hilarious...what does any of that nonsense about the Soviet Union have to do with what he said? Do you think that if you don't allow people to accumulate and hoard unimaginable wealth which is mainly used to entrench the position of those who scoredSonny noggs wrote: »Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »Yeah that's exactly what he said.
This kind of nonsense is why nobody wants to debate with far right ideological loons.
Tom is advocating communism. Every ideology has an elite, the difference between capitalism and communism is who the elite are, and who selects them.
Look at the Soviet Union - the elite had dachas, exclusive apartment blocks, dedicated shops, limousines, drivers, even their own lane in Moscow.
The communist system may not have been based on money but the elite had more power and privilege than a US billionaire could ever hope for.
Accumulated it and exacerbate global inequality indefinitely, that the only other option is Soviet communism? Like there's never been any other way of running the world? There's just those two possibilities?
Do you see what I mean when I say this kind of right wing orthodoxy is just total lunacy?0 -
Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »So...ignoring the fact that the notion that anyone could have more privilege than an oil billionaire is hilarious...what does any of that nonsense about the Soviet Union have to do with what he said? Do you think that if you don't allow people to accumulate and hoard unimaginable wealth which is mainly used to entrench the position of those who scored
Accumulated it and exacerbate global inequality indefinitely, that the only other option is Soviet communism? Like there's never been any other way of running the world? There's just those two possibilities?
Do you see what I mean when I say this kind of right wing orthodoxy is just total lunacy?
I responded to Tom who advocates communism as an ideology to replace capitalism. Given that the Soviet Union is the most well known communist system to date it makes sense to reference it. Unless you are one of those that claims the Soviet Union wasn’t a true communist state.0 -
Sonny noggs wrote: »I responded to Tom who advocates communism as an ideology to replace capitalism. Given that the Soviet Union is the most well known communist system to date it makes sense to reference it. Unless you are one of those that claims the Soviet Union wasn’t a true communist state.
These are just labels. What good is society if one man owns billions while children die from the flu. What good is that?
Surely as a group of human beings we should look to improve the life of us all while preserving the planet?
What kind of person takes on personal wealth over other human beings suffering? In pain, in distress? What kind of person sees that as a victory?0 -
I'm not interested in debating the ideological nomenclature of the Soviet Union. It's completely irrelevant. The point, from which you obviously want to distract, is that allowing a tiny number if people to accumulate a vast proportion of the world's wealth, especially through resource extraction and environmental destruction, is both immoral and massively, catastrophically dangerous for the future of humanity. I couldn't give a **** how many cancer wards he funded, it doesn't distract from the immeasurable harm here did to the world in his life. Harm we will all have to live with/die with while he doesn't.0
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Dog Man Star wrote: »These are just labels. What good is society if one man owns billions while children die from the flu. What good is that?
Surely as a group of human beings we should look to improve the life of us all while preserving the planet?
What are you or anyone else in this thread (me included) doing to prevent children dying of flu beyond paying taxes which contribute to foreign aid and maybe the odd charity direct debit that pays the chugger and charity staff. It was his money, he can choose what he does with it as long as it is legal.0 -
[quote=Sonny noggs;111069697It was his money, he can choose what he does with it as long as it is legal.[/quote]
At least you recognise what the problem is, even if you don't recognise it as a problem.0 -
Sonny noggs wrote: »Yes, only the communist party elite should be allowed to accumulate such wealth, power and privilege.Sonny noggs wrote: »Tom is advocating communism.Sonny noggs wrote: »I responded to Tom who advocates communism as an ideology to replace capitalism.
Are you having a stroke? Or do you just like imagining arguments nobody made and then crying about them?0 -
Junkyard Tom wrote: »Are you having a stroke? Or do you just like imagining arguments nobody made and then crying about them?
Okay, what ‘reforms’ are you advocating?0 -
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Sonny noggs wrote: »Okay, what ‘reforms’ are you advocating?
Breaking up monopolies, making corporations responsible for 'externalities' like pollution and environmental harm, workers having a greater say in their pay and conditions, better corporate governance, taxation in line with wealth not income. Democratic control of resources, major utilities, and 'natural' monopolies like rail, roads power grids etc.
All non-controversial stuff that was quite normal in the past and will have to become normal again.
In the longer term AI/Automation will need to come under democratic control or, simply put, there will be class war and it will be taken.
As political economist Mark Blyth rightly said 'the Hamptons is not a defensible position, eventually they will come for you'.0
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