The death knell of the Irish Language

riclad · 24-08-2019 2:59pm

Maybe it could be reversed ,if the teaching of irish in schools was completely changed , when i was at school, irish was about reading peig,
the most miserable woman who ever lived, the famine, storys set in the 18 th century, storys about poor farmers in the west.it was all slightly depressing and old fashioned .
no reference to modern live ,tv, pop music .
It was like reading textbooks written in 1910.
Not exactly relevant to teens growing up in dublin .
There were no storys about modern life, the joy of life ,
there were no storys from modern writers .
i cannot speak irish, i know a few words of irish,
even though i studied it for 5 years.

I see no sign of anyone trying to change the teaching of irish in school,
or making it more relevant .
so what will happen the irish language will become a very niche
pastime, the no who speak it will decline every year.

Maybe they could have revived irish in the 70.s or the 80.s .
At some point in the 70.s trad music was cool,
i can see no sign of any new bands like clannad appearing .

nowadays kids have social media. youtube, the internet ,
Why would they be even bothered speaking irish outside school ?
English is the language of the web.

Irish should be a voluntary subject after the inter cert,
let those people who want to learn it do so.
i Think the irish educational system is like a large ship . it takes a long time to change direction.
Every minor change has to go through committees before it go,s into effect.

EmmetSpiceland · 24-08-2019 2:59pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

One of the above accounts insists July 12 orange parades are a culture vital to society and demands they be kept yet aggressively and often bizarrely rails against the Irish language and Irish people in general whenever the word Irish is even posted on boards, they appear to rail against it us and all things we are.
I’ll leave you to figure out who that might be.

If we do end up with a “United Ireland” we’re looking at Orange Order parades and the Ulster-Scots “language” become part of our shared culture.

We’re not going to be getting away with the tricolour, Amhrán na bhFiann and the “whackery” that goes with it. We will be one people, one nation and one state.

janfebmar · 24-08-2019 3:01pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s the primary and official language of the state.
You’d know that if you lived here. Which is dubious given your history.
the UI is coming.

Of course I live here and have done so for probably more decades than you. Irish is not really used, I never see it on meal menus, in newsagents or bookshops etc. And with 11 out of 18 mp's in N. Ireland still unionist, I cannot see a United Ireland coming as long as the UK keeps giving it 11 billion per year. Dream on regardless anyway.

riclad · 24-08-2019 3:16pm

Its the language of the irish state,
i have never received any letter or bill in
irish , i think there,s very few gardai who are fluent in irish.
Maybe i should stop paying my bills unless they are written in irish as a form of protest.
If you live in france i think all official government letters you receive would be written in irish .
if you write to a french official you would be expected to write in the french language.
I think maybe less than 10 per cent of irish people can hold a casual conversation in irish , I exclude teachers or tg4 presenters who are paid to speak it as part of their job.
maybe its like trad irish music ,
If ordinary irish people do not use it or practise it it will decline
no matter what some government body or committee doe,s .

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 3:26pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I love many things Irish, stop moaning ffs. Irish was beaten in to me at school though, and too much taxpayers money is wasted on it now. If it is your hobby, fine.

You're previous incarnation stated you grew up in a unionist school. How was Irish beaten into you?

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 3:28pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If we do end up with a “United Ireland” we’re looking at Orange Order parades and the Ulster-Scots “language” become part of our shared culture.

We’re not going to be getting away with the tricolour, Amhrán na bhFiann and the “whackery” that goes with it. We will be one people, one nation and one state.

They’ll have to compromise too. And we won’t have to deal with it. It’s not like they’d bother parading down o Connell st. They wouldn’t be allowed despite Leo’s fluff. Ulster exits isn’t taken seriously even among unionists. It’s an accent at best but I’d be for affording it recognition as it is an actual distinct cultural point. One of the few they have.
All up for play is the anthem and flag. They’re represented on the flag already though.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 3:32pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Of course I live here and have done so for probably more decades than you. Irish is not really used, I never see it on meal menus, in newsagents or bookshops etc. And with 11 out of 18 mp's in N. Ireland still unionist, I cannot see a United Ireland coming as long as the UK keeps giving it 11 billion per year. Dream on regardless anyway.

You just stated it’s not the official language of the state. You literally just said that. You are wrong. You’d know it’s the official language of the state if you lived here. I doubt you do. Many others doubt it too.
Typical Jan. Always the same not admitting what you just said and wild wheel spins to get out of the hole you just dug.
You’re about to see Johnson throw the DUP overboard in brexit and a border in the sea. A massive economic boost for NI but the dup lose their minds. So a United ireland in all but name. And inevitably reunification to follow.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2019 3:44pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s the primary and official language of the state.
You’d know that if you lived here. Which is dubious given your history.
the UI is coming. Like it or not.
One of your other accounts said the conversation wouldn’t even Happen yet there’s endless polls and debates on it now. Thanks brexit.

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 3:52pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

Its the first official language in the constitution.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 3:52pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

You’re not from here either?
It’s the official language of the state.
You know or understand that much?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 3:55pm

riclad wrote: »

Its the language of the irish state,
i have never received any letter or bill in
irish , i think there,s very few gardai who are fluent in irish.
Maybe i should stop paying my bills unless they are written in irish as a form of protest.
If you live in france i think all official government letters you receive would be written in irish .
if you write to a french official you would be expected to write in the french language.
I think maybe less than 10 per cent of irish people can hold a casual conversation in irish , I exclude teachers or tg4 presenters who are paid to speak it as part of their job.
maybe its like trad irish music ,
If ordinary irish people do not use it or practise it it will decline
no matter what some government body or committee doe,s .

You can get any documentation in Irish from the government at least.

I doubt if French people if officials speak Irish, maybe you mean French. Of course they do but France is not officially bilingual. Canada is and documentation is produced in both French and English. Even on the west coast where English is utterly dominant the signs can be in French and English. The welcome sign as you cross into Canada south of Vancouver is in English and French. Bienvenue au Canada.

24-08-2019 3:57pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A risible suggestion. Do you really believe “native” Irish speakers in the Gaeltacht regions are sitting around their kitchen tables gabbing away “as béarla” but then they suddenly switch to Irish as someone passes the house? Living in fear that the mean old state “Cigire” is going to pounce and cut off their big juicy grant money. Come on.

They speak Irish at home and when around family/friends. The only time they won’t is when they’re with someone who doesn’t even have the “cúpla focal”. To do otherwise would just be plain rude.

Sure the ones “out West” are a strange, dark, people but what you’re saying comes across as at best naive and at worst disingenuous.

im telling you thats exactly what happens.

and not "someone", but an cigire

and they know when hes coming

and he knows who to call to.

the whole thing is a joke and its a well known joke.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 3:58pm

Just to add you can get any form for any interaction with government from revenue to social welfare to planning, in Irish. So that point is moot.

janfebmar · 24-08-2019 4:03pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just to add you can get any form for any interaction with government from revenue to social welfare to planning, in Irish. So that point is moot.

You can get your Aunt to have a sex change operation too, so she is not always your Aunt, so that point is moot. Who pays for all the translators ?

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 4:04pm

janfebmar wrote: »

You can get your Aunt to have a sex change operation too, so she is not always your Aunt, so that point is moot. Who pays for all the translators ?

Wackadoodle screwball scrambles as always. Never change

24-08-2019 4:04pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just to add you can get any form for any interaction with government from revenue to social welfare to planning, in Irish. So that point is moot.

its not a primary language, there is no such distinction

its one of two official languages

the fact that you can and must be able to transact in Irish in any one of a number of official operations is another item that should absolutely be looked at and scrapped, its far from a moot point and certainly supports nothing in terms of actual demand for usage

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 4:05pm

janfebmar wrote: »

You can get your Aunt to have a sex change operation too, so she is not always your Aunt, so that point is moot. Who pays for all the translators ?

How is that statement in any way relevant to the previous argument. Who pays? The Irish taxpayer. As you know.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 4:06pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its not a primary language, there is no such distinction

its one of two official languages

the fact that you can and must be able to transact in Irish in any one of a number of official operations is another item that should absolutely be looked at and scrapped, its far from a moot point and certainly supports nothing in terms of actual demand for usage

Split hairs in a fleas pubes all you want. Irish is the official language of the state.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 4:06pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its not a primary language, there is no such distinction

its one of two official languages

the fact that you can and must be able to transact in Irish in any one of a number of official operations is another item that should absolutely be looked at and scrapped, its far from a moot point and certainly supports nothing in terms of actual demand for usage

Its the first official language. Ireland needs a civics lesson.

24-08-2019 4:09pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Split hairs in a fleas pubes all you want. Irish is the official language of the state.

sorry there

nobody was splitting hairs until you went claiming an official status of primacy that does not exist

and if you want me to split hairs, "the" makes your statement incorrect.

it is "an" official language of the state.

24-08-2019 4:10pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Its the first official language. Ireland needs a civics lesson.

no such designation

Ken. · 24-08-2019 4:12pm

There is nothing wrong with the Irish language except for the way its taught. I had 2 thick spud munchers from Kerry try to beat this sh!t in to us when in primary. Never had a love for it after.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 4:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

no such designation

Literally article 8 of the constitution.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 4:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

sorry there

nobody was splitting hairs until you went claiming an official status of primacy that does not exist

and if you want me to split hairs, "the" makes your statement incorrect.

it is "an" official language of the state.

Be as wrong as you like. It’s a free country.

24-08-2019 4:25pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Literally article 8 of the constitution.

drumroll

I, an message board poster, engaged in an online argument on this the 24th day August, 2019, was completely incorrect and comprehensively schooled by the above poster.

ffs. when did they change that on us?

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 4:25pm

I have found that whenever I am making love to women from the Gaeltacht it has helped as a knicker dropper to have the cupla focal.... Whilst I have struggled to help them reach orgasm through penetrative sex alone, I have found being able to whisper sweet nothings in their ear as Gaelige mid coitus has got a good few Gaeil speaking females over the line... I am sure of it.

So as long as the language is enabling its' speakers to have orgasms I can't really see it having a problem.

They should teach that in school also.

Go raibh maith agaibh.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 4:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

drumroll

I, an message board poster, engaged in an online argument on this the 24th day August, 2019, was completely incorrect and comprehensively schooled by the above poster.

ffs. when did they change that on us?

Always been there. Kudos for admitting the mistake.

24-08-2019 4:28pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Always been there. Kudos for admitting the mistake.

bad enough to be wrong and an ass without continuing in it tbf

and heh im still not admitting anything about the merits of the language in ongoing use or anything!

martinedwards · 24-08-2019 4:31pm

What the Irish language needs is a bunch of protestants to champion it.

Just like the last time it nearly died out.

Presbyterian William Neilson, and Douglas Hyde, the son of a Church of Ireland rector, were instrumental in founding the Gaelic League. Otherwise it'd have died out in the 1890s.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 4:36pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have found that whenever I am making love to women from the Gaeltacht it has helped as a knicker dropper to have the cupla focal.... Whilst I have struggled to help them reach orgasm through penetrative sex alone, I have found being able to whisper sweet nothings in their ear as Gaelige mid coitus has got a good few Gaeil speaking females over the line... I am sure of it.

So as long as the language is enabling its' speakers to have orgasms I can't really see it having a problem.

They should teach that in school also.

Go raibh maith agaibh.

Go have sex with a Cork chick.

NONE OF YOUR FANCY STUFF BOY JUST HORSE IT INTO ME

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 4:39pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Go have sex with a Cork chick.

NONE OF YOUR FANCY STUFF BOY JUST HORSE IT INTO ME

I had the pleasure of nailing a babe from Ballincollig when I was in Greece some time ago. She was a bear in the sack and it was a truly enjoyable experience.

She had lovely energy.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 4:40pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I had the pleasure of nailing a babe from Ballincollig when I was in Greece some time ago. She was a bear in the sack and it was a truly enjoyable experience.

She had lovely energy.

Mo dhuine uasail
You made me laugh out loud. Go raibh maith agat

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 4:42pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Mo dhuine uasail
You made me laugh out loud. Go raibh maith agat

na h'abair e

Ken. · 24-08-2019 5:07pm

Guys, provide a translation if you post in ANY language other than English.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 5:22pm

Nosnon wrote: »

Guys, provide a translation if you post in ANY language other than English.

Come to are country speak are language

Looks and points over the water to make the self evident point

Ken. · 24-08-2019 5:28pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Come to are country speak are language

Looks and points over the water to make the self evident point

It's in the site rules. Post in English or provide a translation if you post in foreignise.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 5:32pm

Nosnon wrote: »

Guys, provide a translation if you post in ANY language other than English.

Given the preceding posts, I'd really rather they didn't, to be honest! I really don't think we're missing anything, anyway.

AllForIt · 24-08-2019 5:53pm

I'm pretty sure I saw ya when you were down. Nice tache.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 5:55pm

Nosnon wrote: »

It's in the site rules. Post in English or provide a translation if you post in foreignise.

Too many literal tranlastions.
You’d like none of them. Even though they weren’t insulting you apart from your ignorance of their meaning. Report away there.

It just said thanks. He replied no problem.

Loafing Oaf · 24-08-2019 6:26pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Whilst I have struggled to help them reach orgasm through penetrative sex alone, I have found being able to whisper sweet nothings in their ear as Gaelige mid coitus has got a good few Gaeil speaking females over the line... I am sure of it.

Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí:D "

Praise the youth and she will come

(translation provided for those who need it)

Definitely wasn't expecting to see any overlap between this thread and the female orgasms one:eek:

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 6:28pm

Nosnon wrote: »

Guys, provide a translation if you post in ANY language other than English.

Tá tú á rá ar fad, cén fáth ?

You are being overly pedantic, why ?

literally " you are saying it all "

You were complaining about my posts before mr Nosnon, are we having problems?

A bhfuil aon fadhb ann ?

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 6:38pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí:D

Definitely wasn't expecting to see any overlap between this thread and the female orgasms one:eek:

There is a massive undiscovered overlap between Irish speaking and Orgasms.

Súnás = Orgasm

https://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/orgasm

I love the way it is pronounced differently from Ceann Trá to Clifden to Machaire Rabhartaigh.

I think that Irish people would be a lot more interested in learning more Irish if they knew it would help them with their orgasms. It almost goes without saying.

I blame the post independence power vacuum, it was always going to happen. Bastards.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2019 7:18pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You’re not from here either?
It’s the official language of the state.
You know or understand that much?

I'm not sure where your here is, but dont let my odd looking name mislead you into incorrect assumptions of where my here is.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 7:39pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not sure where your here is, but dont let my odd looking name mislead you into incorrect assumptions of where my here is.

You avoided the question and reinforced your ignorance. Irish is the official language of the state.
Ignorance is forgivable. Distorting the truth isn’t.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 7:49pm

In other words should we get rid of all minority languages and aim towards a monolingual planet?

No we shouldn't. We have a native language and more knowledge, not dumbing down is the way forward. Studies have shown that bilingual individuals consistently outperform their monolingual counterparts on tasks involving executive control. It's a good thing to be bilingual and we're generally smarter.

That being said, I do think it could be taught a bit better. I actually think all schools should be Gaelscoils.

24-08-2019 7:51pm

I dont know about all schools being gaelscoils but it could definitely be taught better

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 7:54pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I dont know about all schools being gaelscoils but it could definitely be taught better

I'll put it this way. I'd send my kids to Gaelscoils. Apart from the bilingual benefits I think they actually do quite well in terms exam performance?

24-08-2019 7:58pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'll put it this way. I'd send my kids to Gaelscoils. Apart from the bilingual benefits I think they actually do quite well in terms exam performance?

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!
I'd go for one of those as well though I'd love a European language to be taught young as well. Their little brains are like sponges for language

Reati · 24-08-2019 8:03pm

We did this a few months ago. 54 pages {on mobile) of it in fact. https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057985119/1

Don't let that stop ya though.

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!

Speaking from experience. There isn't any issue.

Galwayguy35 · 24-08-2019 8:03pm

Peig Sayers the miserable oul biddy killed the Irish language, she was responsible for generations of young people ending up hating the language.

The death knell of the Irish Language

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