The death knell of the Irish Language

Stop moaning ffs

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Just watched Creedon's Irish Atlas there. Thank goodness the internet revolution came along because the richness of the language can be digitally fossilized for all future generations to access regardless of who's pulling the strings.

I've only really learned the value of having our own native language from trying to figure out why certain people have such a visceral hatred for it.

Wondered about this earlier. You can probably determine the age of those so aggressively against it. From the genuinely sad era of Ireland being a nothing and a cultural malaise where the thinking was we were sh!t and nothing good happens here and a weird but real inferiority complex thanks to our former colonial masters being somehow still allowed to broadcast into our country via tv and again weirdly, and probably importantly sport.

I cannot fathom the aggression against Irish from some. It’s a bit bizarre

Junkyard Tom

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You can probably determine the age of those so aggressively against it.

I think it might be more to do with their politics than age.

Stop moaning ffs

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I think it might be more to do with their politics than age.

Really? I can only think of one poster who is rabidly anti Irish that posted here who has a pig ignorant poorly informed political agenda and appears at every mention of the word Irish to denegrate it and anyone supporting it.
Not really seeing a political aspect from any others. Happy to be corrected though.

Huntergonzo

No interest in the Irish language whatsoever, can never understand people's attachment to what essentially amounts to nothing more than sounds you can make with your mouth.

Be a lot more convenient if the whole world just spoke one language, at least we could all communicate with each other then, practicality over pride people!

Raconteuse

It's pretty boring to study at leaving cert. I used to like it and get on very well at it, until leaving cert. I also don't think it should be mandatory for leaving cert (but I don't think English and maths should be mandatory either).

So I understand people not being into it, but rage filled hate is just silly.

kowloon

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

My Leaving Cert Irish teacher used to insist on reading the 'popcheol' section in the Irish language magazine in class, and it was excruciating, referring to R.E.M. as 'rem' etc.
My favourite part of the Irish syllabus was stair teanga, which kind of supports your point.

Yeah, nothing made it seem more irrelevant and useless than trying to make it relevant to a culture that was already expressed through English. We have enough trouble seeming cool to kids in the language they speak every day, attempting it in Irish will never be a winner.

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

No interest in the Irish language whatsoever, can never understand people's attachment to what essentially amounts to nothing more than sounds you can make with your mouth.

Be a lot more convenient if the whole world just spoke one language, at least we could all communicate with each other then, practicality over pride people!

So all languages and things like songs and singing aren’t your thing.

Oooooooookay so

Junkyard Tom

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Really? I can only think of one poster who is rabidly anti Irish that posted here who has a pig ignorant poorly informed political agenda and appears at every mention of the word Irish to denegrate it and anyone supporting it.
Not really seeing a political aspect from any others. Happy to be corrected though.

I'm speaking of a general sense not this particular thread even though a couple of the usual suspects are here. I do get that there is a general trauma-based dislike from school days - that's fine. I have that too for other stuff [I don't have any Irish] but there's a more visceral hatred of what the language represents.

There are those who, it seems, would like to wipe it from history and deny it ever existed such is their hate for the people who value it and those who see it as a valuable aspect of the Irish nation.

Imreoir2

Huntergonzo wrote: »

No interest in the Irish language whatsoever, can never understand people's attachment to what essentially amounts to nothing more than sounds you can make with your mouth.

Be a lot more convenient if the whole world just spoke one language, at least we could all communicate with each other then, practicality over pride people!

That would be horrible, so much would be lost. People are not robots, diversity is one of the best things about life. I would hate it if everyone and everything was the same.

beggars_bush

I'm fluent in Irish
Never get the chance to use it in daily life

It's a pity

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So all languages and things like songs and singing aren’t your thing.

Oooooooookay so

No, languages are convenient I said that and yes I like music, don't think music is the exact same thing as a converation but whatever you're having yourself.

But sitting down to speak a specific language just for the sake of it naaaaaaaah.

Do you honestly not think it would be a lot more convenient if the whole world spoke the same language so we could all communicate??

Stop moaning ffs

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm speaking of a general sense not this particular thread even though a couple of the usual suspects are here. I do get that there is a general trauma-based dislike from school days - that's fine. I have that too for other stuff [I don't have any Irish] but there's a more visceral hatred of what the language represents.

There are those who, it seems, would like to wipe it from history and deny it ever existed such is their hate for the people who value it and those who see it as a valuable aspect of the Irish nation.

No arguments there at all. The last ones you mentioned are the ones I referred to. What’s their problem. ‘Waste of tax payers money’ being the mantra. And a false one. They conveniently ignore countless other examples of vastly bigger wastes of money annually in our budget.

They never seem to be able to explain it. It’s almost a mystery but I put it down to a weird insecurity about the relationship they have to the country and their own background.

A cursory glance through the posting history speaks to that and confirms it too in all cases.

Huntergonzo

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That would be horrible, so much would be lost. People are not robots, diversity is one of the best things about life. I would hate it if everyone and everything was the same.

Absolutely, I 100% agree, diversity is great, if everything was the same life would be unliveable.

We should all speak the one language though, we would all still be different, but we'd have no issue with communication.

odyssey06

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That would be horrible, so much would be lost. People are not robots, diversity is one of the best things about life. I would hate it if everyone and everything was the same.

How can you experience that diversity if you cant communicate and understand the different peoples?

Communication is a means to an end.
Britain is different to US and Australia is different to New Zealand. Normandy is not Provence.
Culture and societal diversity dont need a language.
There is so much more to it than that.

Imreoir2

beggars_bush wrote: »

I'm fluent in Irish
Never get the chance to use it in daily life

It's a pity

Why? Unless you are sitting around waiting for someone to ask you to speak Irish to them, then there are plenty of ways to use Irish in everday life.

Imreoir2

odyssey06 wrote: »

How can you experience that diversity if you cant communicate and understand the different peoples?

Communication is a means to an end.
Britain is different to US and Australia is different to New Zealand. Normandy is not Provence.
Culture and societal diversity dont need a language.
There is so much more to it than that.

Do you speak a second language fluently?

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

No, languages are convenient I said that and yes I like music, don't think music is the exact same thing as a converation but whatever you're having yourself.

But sitting down to speak a specific language just for the sake of it naaaaaaaah.

Do you honestly not think it would be a lot more convenient if the whole world spoke the same language so we could all communicate??

It would be convenient if we were all white heterosexual males too according to some. That’s not how the world works.
Piss off with that will you? All the way off.

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It would be convenient if we were all white heterosexual males too according to some. That’s not how the world works.
Piss off with that will you? All the way off.

Haha well that's lovely, thank you.

Now to your bizarre statement about white males (a group of people you don't like I take it). No it wouldn't be handy if we were all white males, there would be no reproduction then and hence no human race.

Could you not just have said you won't answer my question rather than going on a bizarre tangent?

IAMAMORON

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Haha well that's lovely, thank you.

Now to your bizarre statement about white males (a group of people you don't like I take it). No it wouldn't be handy if we were all white males, there would be no reproduction then and hence no human race.

Could you not just have said you won't answer my question rather than going on a bizarre tangent?

Go easy on the Chivas there Mr Thompson.

What is your point exactly?

Huntergonzo

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Go easy on the Chivas there Mr Thompson.

What is your point exactly?

I don't see the point in having all these languages, 1 would do nicely.

BarryD2

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course it should be preserved. An invaluable part of our cultural heritage.

Isn't that the 'problem'? State policy has been more towards 'preservation' - sure you can keep a statutory need for it and require it for certain jobs etc. But when your'e at the stage of preserving something, it usually means it's on it's last legs.

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Why? Unless you are sitting around waiting for someone to ask you to speak Irish to them, then there are plenty of ways to use Irish in everday life.

Watch TG4, listen to RnaG, talk to yourself? I suppose it depends where you live. I can't recall ever hearing any Gaeilge spoken by my neighbours, in local village or towns around where we live rural. I think you'd have to seek out people to converse with just like you'd seek out people with say an interest in pottery or beekeeping etc.

IAMAMORON

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I don't see the point in having all these languages, 1 would do nicely.

What has that got to do with white males?

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Haha well that's lovely, thank you.

Now to your bizarre statement about white males (a group of people you don't like I take it). No it wouldn't be handy if we were all white males, there would be no reproduction then and hence no human race.

Could you not just have said you won't answer my question rather than going on a bizarre tangent?

You suggest forcing the entire 7 billion to learn English. So you’re not inconvenienced by having to hear other other languages or because you haven’t the ability to learn another language or you just don’t like that there are other cultures and nationalities with their own languages?
It’s an astonishingly stupid demand you make I don’t know why I’m even bothering

Huntergonzo

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What has that got to do with white males?

Better ask Stop moaning ffs I'm afraid, if you read back you'll see I didn't bring up the topic of white males.

IAMAMORON

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Better ask Stop moaning ffs I'm afraid, if you read back you'll see I didn't bring up the topic of white males.

What language would you choose, there are a lot of options?

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You suggest forcing the entire 7 billion to learn English. So you’re not inconvenienced by having to hear other other languages or because you haven’t the ability to learn another language or you just don’t like that there are other cultures and nationalities with their own languages?
It’s an astonishingly stupid demand you make I don’t know why I’m even bothering

I never suggested forcing anybody to do anything (more made up nonsense), I merely suggested it would be more convenient if we all spoke the same language, now less of the personal attacks please.

Now please explain why you brought up hetrosexual white males, have you an issue with these people?

Huntergonzo

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What language would you choose, there are a lot of options?

Doesn't really matter, whatever works, how about klingon? :-)

IAMAMORON

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, whatever works, how about klingon? :-)

******, nuq 'oH bul chIS hetero sexual loD

IAMAMORON

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, whatever works, how about klingon? :-)

naQ Dap, qaSlaH bit Dapvetlh chenmoH thompson

briany

Making Irish a non-compulsory subject in school might be one of the best things we could do for the language. Generations of Irish school kids figure Irish as a dreary thing that they didn't even really know why they had to study it. At least other compulsory subjects had practical use outside of the school (up to a point).

If you made it non-compulsory, you'd have to seek it out a bit more. Firstly, this means that those studying it would more likely be actually interested in it. It also would mean that the societies and groups outside the formal education system would be compelled to do more of the work of actually preserving the language, and it can be they who promote it to children. And such groups would have the advantage of not being subject to a soulless state-devised curriculum. They might be able to teach it in that living, conversational way that we've always said schools should adopt, but never seem to.

Huntergonzo

IAMAMORON wrote: »

******, nuq 'oH bul chIS hetero sexual loD

Haha that'll work

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I never suggested forcing anybody to do anything (more made up nonsense), I merely suggested it would be more convenient if we all spoke the same language, now less of the personal attacks please.

Now please explain why you brought up hetrosexual white males, have you an issue with these people?

It would make more sense for us all to learn Mandarin Chinese. Their take over of the worlds economy is upon us.
You up for the entire world learning Chinese?

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It would make more sense for us all to learn Mandarin Chinese. Their take over of the worlds economy is upon us.
You up for the entire world learning Chinese?

Come on you accidentally outed yourself as a racist, address it :-)

What's your beef with the hetro white guys?

IAMAMORON

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It would make more sense for us all to learn Mandarin Chinese. Their take over of the worlds economy is upon us.
You up for the entire world learning Chinese?

I once read that if it were mandatory or a legal requirement to copulate with the Chinese that the entire population of the planet would be Chinese within 3 generations.

That's right, if we all just copulated with the Chinese we would all have to speak Mandarin or we wouldn't understand are grandkids' children.

It's terrifying really.

riclad

Trad irish music is part of our culture,so is irish,
but,s its obvious the plain people of ireland have switched over to english ,apart from certain rural area,s .
Irish is mainly spoken in the gaeltacht .
We are in an open democracy , the government can provide support ,
and make it a required subject in the leaving cert.
As far as i can see theres very few young people playing irish folk music ,
full time.
There,s certain cultural process,s and movements that happen
regardless of the policys of government committee,s and the education
system.
We are in the middle of a housing crisis, we also are facing the result of brexit, will there have to be border controls .
Also we are all facing the threat of climate change .
I think the irish government has to devote it,s attention to the most urgent problems facing it.
Theres not much more it can do for the irish language .
I,m a lot more interested in what people say and do ,then the language
they happen to speak .
The irish speak english in a certain way, its not the same as english spoken in england or scotland .
If someone made a drama based in cork or inner city dublin
using local slang and accents i,m not sure if a uk audience would
understand what is going on.
Every county and city in ireland has its own slang and local accent .

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Come on you accidentally outed yourself as a racist, address it :-)

What's your beef with the hetro white guys?

Ehhh I’m white and homosexual. Point out the racism? There’s a report function right there if you think I was being racist

Stop moaning ffs

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I once read that if it were mandatory or a legal requirement to copulate with the Chinese that the entire population of the planet would be Chinese within 3 generations.

That's right, if we all just copulated with the Chinese we would all have to speak Mandarin or we wouldn't understand are grandkids' children.

It's terrifying really.

You have a weird fixation with riding. Like every few posts.
To your point though well yeah. There’s far more of them than us so obviously.

4/10 people alive in the planet will be from Africa by 2050. Undeniable biology.

The west is too busy with lifestyles and accouterments to have kids.

Simple as.

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Ehhh I’m white and homosexual. Point out the racism? There’s a report function right there if you think I was being racist

Hey listen, I could be wrong, but I'm just curious as to why you singled them out, what were you getting at?

Portsalon

riclad wrote: »

Irish is mainly spoken in the gaeltacht.

No. Irish is spoken mainly in the gaeltacht. Same words, different meaning!

(and, being even more pedantic, shouldn't that be gaelteachtaí?)

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Hey listen, I could be wrong, but I'm just curious as to why you singled them out, what were you getting at?

Answer the question or as per forums rules you’ll be reported.
Gender doesn’t alter the point. Could be a world of white women only speaking one language. Outcome is the same.
You said wiping out all other languages and only having one would be ‘convenient’
Your words.

Stop moaning ffs

And of course he ran away.

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Answer the question or as per forums rules you’ll be reported.
Gender doesn’t alter the point. Could be a world of white women only speaking one language. Outcome is the same.
You said wiping out all other languages and only having one would be ‘convenient’
Your words.

Why do you hate hetrosexual white males? Hate's a terrible thing mate, you should ease up on it, it ain't good for you.

Huntergonzo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

And of course he ran away.

Hahaha, ok ok chief, I'll let you have the last word, nighty night.

Stop moaning ffs

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Why do you hate hetrosexual white males? Hate's a terrible thing mate, you should ease up on it, it ain't good for you.

Post where I said I hate white males? I’m quite partial to them if you must know. My tumblr would make your eyes bleed most likely or give you a hard on if you’re a closet case which you might be

Once again though. Where did I say that?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I never suggested forcing anybody to do anything (more made up nonsense), I merely suggested it would be more convenient if we all spoke the same language, now less of the personal attacks please.

We do...

Imreoir2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

We do...

They mean only having one world language and ditching all the rest.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Imreoir2 wrote: »

They mean only having one world language and ditching all the rest.

It would still be more convenient in fairness.

Also, more boring, automative and dull, though, to be fair.

Imreoir2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It would still be more convenient in fairness.

Also, more boring, automative and dull, though, to be fair.

It also ignores how language works, one world language is not possible. Language changes and develops all the time, if there was one world language it would break up into different languages in fairly short order. English is already predicted to break up into a family of languages over the next two hundred years.

Hamsterchops

Once Mary Lou McDonalds & Michelle O'Neill get their Irish Language act through up North, then the whole island will be fluent within a few years

....mind you, I'm not sure if either of them can speak it?

Reati

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Once Mary Lou McDonalds & Michelle O'Neill get their Irish Language act through up North, then the whole island will be fluent within a few years

....mind you, I'm not sure if either of them can speak it?

They can't. Ever see the time the TG4 reporter asked them a question in Irish. I've never seen whiter faces. They had to call in a deputy to ask the question.

They do the language no favours.