Hurling strongholds in footballing counties and vice versa?

hardybuck

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I would have thought of Waterford as a place without much football, but it seems almost every county plays quite a lot of football.

The vast majority of clubs in Waterford play football - I can only think of Ballygunner and Passage that don't, and both affiliated to a football only club called Gaultier that was previously mentioned on this thread.

I think this is in contrast with hurling, as many counties hardly have a club hurling championship in it at all.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Hurling is really very regional. There are lots of counties where it is barely played, or is at least much less popular than football. If you look at a map of the main places it's played, it's incredibly compact.

hardybuck

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Hurling is really very regional. There are lots of counties where it is barely played, or is at much less popular than football. If you look at a map of the main places it's played, it's incredibly compact.

And even if you look into parts of South Tipp there - it'll be a football area, and a lot of their lads who won the All Ireland the other week will be playing football with their clubs.

Wexford was arguably a football county before the Rackards came to the fore.

South Dublin has since bucked the trend, possibly due to migration of people from hurling areas to the likes of Ballyboden, Kilmacud and most recently Cuala.

Carlow have made huge strides in the last five years or so, and Laois had a big revival this year.

Antrim were playing in All Ireland finals once upon a time but are now in dire straights.

Bonniedog

That map is a bit off beam if you ask me. North Kerry excluded, north Wexford!, all of Dublin, a place in Cork that won the All Ireland!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Bonniedog wrote: »

That map is a bit off beam if you ask me. North Kerry excluded, north Wexford!, all of Dublin, a place in Cork that won the All Ireland!

North Kerry is marked as a hurling region on that map. I don't know about Wexford. What is the part of Cork that's missing? Also, it's from the 90s, so Dublin was definitely not regarded as a hurling region when it was made.

hardybuck

Bonniedog wrote: »

That map is a bit off beam if you ask me. North Kerry excluded, north Wexford!, all of Dublin, a place in Cork that won the All Ireland!

North Wexford is mainly football. Gorey won the county hurling in 2018 but it was the first time in their history.

Bonniedog

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

North Kerry is marked as a hurling region on that map. I don't know about Wexford. What is the part of Cork that's missing? Also, it's from the 90s, so Dublin was definitely not regarded as a hurling region when it was made.

Missed the Kerry bit, its so small!

Newtownshandrum? Is either barely inside or outside the shade.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Newtownshandrum would seem to be inside the grey area as far as I can see, but it's not far from the line.

Kerrydude1981

Hard to believe that during the 60s the Kerry hurling and football senior championships had the same number of teams

16 teams taking part in both

KevRossi

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

North West Kerry.

Draw a triangle, Tralee north to Listowel, Tralee west to Ballyhigue, and the coast as the third side.

Everything in that triangle is hurling.

The 8 teams in the county championship come from there.

First place I ever saw hurling was in Abbeydorney, we rented a house there on holidays as a child, could not understand how Kerry people weren't playing football.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Hurling is really very regional. There are lots of counties where it is barely played, or is at least much less popular than football. If you look at a map of the main places it's played, it's incredibly compact.

Good map, but part of Roscommon missing, Draw a line from Roscommon down directly west and another south west and it's pretty much all hurling there.

Almost all of Antrims hurling is in the Glens, connection to Scotland and Shinty made the game popular up there, they've had the odd success over the years, AI final appearance and a AI Club championship as well.

Bit on it here

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1101497172539908101

And there's a bit more on it here: https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-geography-of-hurling-11-2/

Hammer Archer

I think if south Meath (e.g. Kiltale, Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath etc.), North Kildare (Celbridge, Leixlip, Ardclough, Coill Dubh) and East Westmeath (Clonkill, Raharney, Castlepollard etc.) happened to be in the one county, they'd be a force to be reckoned with.

In Meath, offhand I think there's only a couple of hurling teams north of Navan.

Legalfarmer89

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think if south Meath (e.g. Kiltale, Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath etc.), North Kildare (Celbridge, Leixlip, Ardclough, Coill Dubh) and East Westmeath (Clonkill, Raharney, Castlepollard etc.) happened to be in the one county, they'd be a force to be reckoned with.

In Meath, offhand I think there's only a couple of hurling teams north of Navan.

It’s funny that that that is the case. There are a few instances of that I.e. if one combined the Glens of Antrim with East Derry(Dungiven/Slaughneil have hurling pedigree) or South Offaly and West Laois(probably the same size/population as Kilkenny with predominantly hurling only clubs) could be a force to be reckoned with except you have two dual counties who are strong every once and a while(sorry if this is condescending).

What are the hurling areas in Wicklow? Near Wexford I presume? I think that’s a county to grow the game as it’s near the hurling counties, decent population, and crying out for success(again sorry if I am sounding condescending).

Bonniedog

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

What are the hurling areas in Wicklow? .

Glenealy of Leighton Glynn fame is central, closer to south Dublin. Carnew the other great Wicklow club is on Wexford border. A good enough spread really.

conor05

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Hard to believe that during the 60s the Kerry hurling and football senior championships had the same number of teams

16 teams taking part in both

Hurling in Kerry is getting stronger.

A lot of good hurlers popping up outside of the big 8 senior teams in North Kerry.

Causeway won the Kerry SHC yesterday, first time in 21 years.

cms88

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Hard to believe that during the 60s the Kerry hurling and football senior championships had the same number of teams

16 teams taking part in both

At one stage all three of the Tralee clubs also played hurling.

jr86

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

In Galway south of the motorway is hurling and north of the motorway is football, although there are exceptions and there would be hurling only teams/areas in what would seem North Galway(Turloughmore & Pearses who would have played football at one stage but not sure now)

Around the mid section of the county some neighboring parishes concentrate on hurling and another parish on football(Ahascragh/Foghenagh hurling & Caltra Football, Cappy Hurling & Gabriel’s Football, Abbeyknockmoy Hurling & Monivea Abbey Football, Carnmore Hurling & Claregalway Football) and there would be a crossover in players.

To be fair some of the football areas do have hurling teams(Skehanagh in Menlough Parrish, Sylane in Corofin Parrish & Ballygar, Annaghdown, Mountbellew/Moylough are dual, very few dual clubs for some reason) but the football would take precedence. I don’t think there is the same correlation in south Galway. Loughrea are the only team in South Galway with a football team(A few have underage but don’t have adult teams). Think Kiltormer might have one also.

Galway city is mixed and all sports would nearly be equal(hurling/football/rugby)

To be honest Junior Soccer probably has the biggest numbers in the City. Basketball madly enough seems to be popular in spots.

Connemara is predominately football but just past the City, Moycullen would be a dual club while Spiddeal, Barna/Furbo and Micheal Breathneachs do put out Hurling teams in what would be a football mostly area.

Yeah, Moycullen and Oranmore the only real competitive dual clubs these days, which is strange for a huge county. Moycullen were senior in both last year, and Oranmore are two games away from going up to senior football.

Both are large commuter belts and located close to the City though, so large populations would be a big help to run two codes. Not sure of Moycullen's hurling history but Oranmore only became a competitive football team in the 90s, as the population grew heavily with a load of new estates built and so on.

Athenry were doing ok in football for a while, and Clarinbridge, Kinvara and Craughwell are making huge strides at underage. The former are the only with an adult team though. Again an increasing population in these areas helps hugely

As you say though the likes of Abbeyknockmoy hurling and Monivea football teams are essentially the same, although Monivea footballers would draw a few from the Turloughmore and Craughwell hurling areas.

South Galway tried to make a go of a few adult teams over the years. None ever stuck though

lawred2

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Tooreen in Mayo. There are some hurling loving villages on the Roscommon-Galway border. Four Roads won the Connacht club hurling championship in 1988.

My uncle is heavily involved with Tooreen. The passion for the small ball up there is unreal.

They refer to their pitch as the hurling field.

When they get together, they speak of club hurling first and county football second.

Mantis Toboggan

lawred2 wrote: »

They refer to their pitch as the hurling field.

second.

Probably because Tooreen is a hurling only club afaik. Some of the players fall in with Aghamore in the football.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Tooreen is in the same parish as Aghamore. They also had some lads that played football for Kilmovee.

Hammer Archer

The last number of posts have had absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

cms88

Hammer Archer wrote: »

The last number of posts have had absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Neither does this one...

beggars_bush

Tremane Hurling Club in Roscommon is basically 4 townlands within the Athleague parish along the Suck

They won a Connacht Senior Club title in 1976 beating the Galway champions in the final

Hawkeye9212

I've been plotting senior clubs on a map. It's not finished yet.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1VIBZimuaRo_YGzJfXkImSSahL39kOy_Q&usp=sharing

bruschi

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I've been plotting senior clubs on a map. It's not finished yet.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1VIBZimuaRo_YGzJfXkImSSahL39kOy_Q&usp=sharing

this may help you for Wexford.

https://gaapitchlocator.net/provinces/leinster/wexford/

Clubs in senior:
St Martins
Rapparees
Ferns
St Annes
Faythe Harriers
Fethard
Shelmaliers
Naomh Eanna
Glynn Barntown
Oulart the Ballagh
Rathnure
Oylegate

jr86

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I've been plotting senior clubs on a map. It's not finished yet.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1VIBZimuaRo_YGzJfXkImSSahL39kOy_Q&usp=sharing

Some going!

In Galway, Gort and Gort Inse Guaire are the same team though! Craughwell have been left out /pedant

Stacksofwacks

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think if south Meath (e.g. Kiltale, Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath etc.), North Kildare (Celbridge, Leixlip, Ardclough, Coill Dubh) and East Westmeath (Clonkill, Raharney, Castlepollard etc.) happened to be in the one county, they'd be a force to be reckoned with.

In Meath, offhand I think there's only a couple of hurling teams north of Navan.

Thats interesting. I think there is a case for having a Leinster provincial team competing in the All Ireland comprising of players from non Liam McCarthy counties. I think it would be an interesting experiment. A leinster vs Kilkenny AI final now that would be an odd one

jr86

I cannot even begin to imagine the logistics and political nightmares that would cause!

Mantis Toboggan

jr86 wrote: »

I cannot even begin to imagine the logistics and political nightmares that would cause!

As the 5th team in Leinster is always going to struggle maybe we could get a Joe McDonagh all star team to go in and compete. No reason why they wouldn't be good enough.

Stacksofwacks

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

As the 5th team in Leinster is always going to struggle maybe we could get a Joe McDonagh all star team to go in and compete. No reason why they wouldn't be good enough.

He is right in fairness about the political considerations. Having such a team competing as the 5th team in Leinster is a no go as the McDonagh counties would lose their star players. You could maybe enter the team at the preliminary qf stage after all those counties have been knocked out but they would have little time to play/train together so would be at a huge disadvantage. But it would be nice to see players from those counties have a realistic shot at winning an All Ireland

Kerrydude1981

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I've been plotting senior clubs on a map. It's not finished yet.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1VIBZimuaRo_YGzJfXkImSSahL39kOy_Q&usp=sharing

Austin Stacks no longer have a team, they have now joined up with Tralee Parnells to form a team and play in the intermediate championship, along with Kilgarvan,Kenmare,Dr Crokes and the North Kerry clubs B Teams

St Brendans Ardfert are a senior club

sgthighway

lawred2 wrote: »

My uncle is heavily involved with Tooreen. The passion for the small ball up there is unreal.

They refer to their pitch as the hurling field.

When they get together, they speak of club hurling first and county football second.

Tooreen lost to a Oranmore/Maree in the Connacht Intermediate Final. Oranmore went on to win the All Ireland. Tooreen were the strongest opposition Oranmore met in 2018 and Tooreen had two people sent of in final.

beggars_bush

Clonguish in longford don't have an adult team anymore

arctictree

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

counties who are strong every once and a while(sorry if this is condescending).

What are the hurling areas in Wicklow? Near Wexford I presume? I think that’s a county to grow the game as it’s near the hurling counties, decent population, and crying out for success(again sorry if I am sounding condescending).

7 senior clubs in Wicklow at the moment. Will be 8 if Arklow or Kilcoole win the intermediate this year (both in semis and going strong).

Wicklow is a bit strange in that the hurling clubs are dotted randomly around the county albeit only Kiltegan in the west.

Div 2A is probably our natural level although our current county team is a bit weak historically. Somoe good talent coming through with our minors doing really well in the celtic league only losing out to Limerick in the latter stages.

rpurfield

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think if south Meath (e.g. Kiltale, Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath etc.), North Kildare (Celbridge, Leixlip, Ardclough, Coill Dubh) and East Westmeath (Clonkill, Raharney, Castlepollard etc.) happened to be in the one county, they'd be a force to be reckoned with.

In Meath, offhand I think there's only a couple of hurling teams north of Navan.

Wolfe Tones, Kilskyre/Moylagh and Gaeil Colmcille (Kells) I think are about it north of Navan. Clann Na nGael in Athboy too actually.

paul71

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think if south Meath (e.g. Kiltale, Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath etc.), North Kildare (Celbridge, Leixlip, Ardclough, Coill Dubh) and East Westmeath (Clonkill, Raharney, Castlepollard etc.) happened to be in the one county, they'd be a force to be reckoned with.

In Meath, offhand I think there's only a couple of hurling teams north of Navan.

This ^^^^

My family is Athboy, we moved to Celbridge when I was 6, I moved back to Kildalkey when I was 30 and now I am in Trim, my cousins are in Delvin, Athboy, Kiltale. There is an area that is about county size in South Meath, North Kildare, and East Westmeath that is traditionally hurling and football is played in the larger towns really only because they are commuter beat since the 1980s. It is hurling area in 3 counties that are associated with football, indeed many of the rural clubs (Ardclough, Kildalkey) have no football and the few footballers go to other bigger town clubs (Trim, Celbridge) to play.

MfMan

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah, Moycullen and Oranmore the only real competitive dual clubs these days, which is strange for a huge county. Moycullen were senior in both last year, and Oranmore are two games away from going up to senior football.

Both are large commuter belts and located close to the City though, so large populations would be a big help to run two codes. Not sure of Moycullen's hurling history but Oranmore only became a competitive football team in the 90s, as the population grew heavily with a load of new estates built and so on.

Athenry were doing ok in football for a while, and Clarinbridge, Kinvara and Craughwell are making huge strides at underage. The former are the only with an adult team though. Again an increasing population in these areas helps hugely

As you say though the likes of Abbeyknockmoy hurling and Monivea football teams are essentially the same, although Monivea footballers would draw a few from the Turloughmore and Craughwell hurling areas.

South Galway tried to make a go of a few adult teams over the years. None ever stuck though

Monivea/Abbey - Abbeyknockmoy, different clubs but same parish, are the only parish Senior in both. Though Moycullen and Abbey could well swap places in hurling as former going well at the moment while latter look destined for relegation. Don't think Oranmore quite good enough yet to go Senior in football.

jr86

MfMan wrote: »

Monivea/Abbey - Abbeyknockmoy, different clubs but same parish, are the only parish Senior in both. Though Moycullen and Abbey could well swap places in hurling as former going well at the moment while latter look destined for relegation. Don't think Oranmore quite good enough yet to go Senior in football.

I meant dual club as in the one club but two codes. Monivea and Abbeyknockmoy are two separately ran clubs. Well I assume that's how Moycullen operate anyway but maybe the football and hurling are ran separately

LoughNeagh2017

Dungiven, Ballinascreen, Lavey and Slaughtneil are the hurling strongholds in Derry but they are also strong football areas, Dungiven and Ballinascreen would prefer hurling I think, I remember people would bring hurling sticks to school whereas the rest of us had never even been to a hurling game in our lives. I've never been to a Derry hurling game, it wouldn't really feel like "my county" as none of players are even from local area (10 minute radius) whereas the football team has many.

Mantis Toboggan

This is the big problem for hurling in the weaker counties imo. My county would be 90% hurling but still every club plays football, large fines are imposed on clubs not fulfilling a football game.

In the football counties that I aware of they turn a blind eye to hurling with only a handful of clubs playing. Obviously the county boards of these counties aren't too concerned if they let this practice continue. While funding may be an issue it's pointless if the interest isn't there.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Dick Turnip wrote: »

The northern part of Westmeath is the hurling stronghold in that county. If you take the N4 as the dividing line then most of the hurling clubs in the county are located north/north west of the N4 and Mullingar. There seems to be a good few 'hurling only' clubs but there would be a football club in the same parish. A lot of the clubs here would be junior in the football championship. This would be a very rural part of the county, a lot of these clubs are small villages and parishes.

p.s. - I'm not from Westmeath myself so open to further clarification on any of the above!

Yeah anything North of the N4 is all hurling really in Westmeath, theres no duel clubs but a few that are in the same village (Castletown-Geoghan/St.Malachys and Killucan/Raharney). Theres 4 hurling clubs in the south of the county, 5 if you include Mullingar and that covers 2 big towns and around 2/3 of the county. Huge amount of football clubs between Moate and Athlone in particular