VW ID.4

Liam2021

Car has arrived to the garage in Cavan. Can't wait until the 2nd July.

hold my beer

I noticed that panel at the boot coming away in the heat, as discussed earlier in thread. Anyone said it to a dealer yet?

Padraig Mor

Black_Knight wrote: »

Looking to make a few quid on their purchase. Try find that spec for less than 44k now!

Any sign of demo 1sts or are they all gone already too?

Mentioned this upthread, but it seems there's plenty of 1st Editions still landing in the UK and I've seen people saying they wouldn't be getting their 1st until July or maybe even later. None here though....

Black_Knight

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Mentioned this upthread, but it seems there's plenty of 1st Editions still landing in the UK and I've seen people saying they wouldn't be getting their 1st until July or maybe even later. None here though....

1st max perhaps?

fits

What was approximate price of 1st edition?

JohnnyJohnJohns

fits wrote: »

What was approximate price of 1st edition?

About 42k OTR, some people got about 1.5k off from dealers but that seemed to be the max discount.

fits

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

About 42k OTR, some people got about 1.5k off from dealers but that seemed to be the max discount.

That looks like a great deal now for the 77kWH battery. If I’d been clued in sooner maybe we would have gone for it.

JohnnyJohnJohns

fits wrote: »

That looks like a great deal now for the 77kWH battery. If I’d been clued in sooner maybe we would have gone for it.

Ya, it turns out to have been a good deal but it was hard to know at the time. From what posters here had said there wasn't much difference between the id3 1st and the series in terms of price for similar spec so I thought it probably wasn't a bad deal even if it wasn't a great one. It's big money but was very similar to what a friend paid for a high spec RAV4 and generally I think the id4 had a higher spec except for the automatic tailgate, which I find slow and annoying. The one feature I really wish came as standard is keyless entry

fits

Yeah I’m going to find that very useful with young kids. ( have an ID.3 tour on order.

Black_Knight

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

About 42k OTR, some people got about 1.5k off from dealers but that seemed to be the max discount.

42k OTR after "deals" from dealers. The ROTR price was €43423 (that includes delivery of €1k). Dealers regularly quoted me €42k, 1 quoted less, that's who I bought from.

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

Ya, it turns out to have been a good deal but it was hard to know at the time. From what posters here had said there wasn't much difference between the id3 1st and the series in terms of price for similar spec so I thought it probably wasn't a bad deal even if it wasn't a great one. It's big money but was very similar to what a friend paid for a high spec RAV4 and generally I think the id4 had a higher spec except for the automatic tailgate, which I find slow and annoying. The one feature I really wish came as standard is keyless entry

The series model prices were known when 1st models were still available. That spurred me on a bit to grab one. I had 3 options to me... 1. Pay up and buy the 1st now, 2. Hold onto our ioniq for as long as we could handle and try get a 2nd hand 1st in a year, 3. Go back to ICE or PHEV which depreciation sets in on electric SUVs.

1. The option we went with has worked out well so far
2. Judging by that 1 for sale ad 1sts might keep their value very well
3. I would of hated it, and given my expectations of 2 (slow depreciation) the money we spent on petrol could offset the savings from depreciation.

If only the damn thing would charge right. Started at 50% last night (after only giving me 10% the night before), and after a lot of coaxing throughout the night I got it to charge to 78% by the time I unplugged this morning. Had it set to 100% (weekend away). It'll do

robbie_63

Do you mind me asking what issues you are having with charging, is it just the scheduled charging isn't working?

Picking up an ID4 in 2 weeks and don't want to get caught out

kesey

robbie_63 wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what issues you are having with charging, is it just the scheduled charging isn't working?

Picking up an ID4 in 2 weeks and don't want to get caught out

robbie, I have an ID.4v 1st which I charge using my Zappi. Scheduled charging using the night meter works faultlessly, and has done since I had the Zappi installed in early May. Previous to that I used the granny charger to top up.

Charging is set using the Zappi directly, or by using the app on my android phone or iPad. If I need to charge, all I need to do is plug in the ID.4 when I've finished using the car for the day and let the Zappi do it's thing. Once you set a schedule on the Zappi for every day, it's totally plug and charge thereafter.

Whether I've set the ID.4 to charge to 80% or 100% it does exactly what it's supposed to.

Enjoy the ID.4. It's a great car.

robbie_63

Cheers Kesey, Wife will be using it mainly as her previous car (Diesel) couldn't cope with the short journeys multiple times a day.

Do you mind me asking where you got the Zappi Charger, I was looking at the one from Electric Ireland.

Also, do you set the charger to 80% max just to preserve the battery life or what are the benefits?

celtic_oz

Just got quoted the following :

VW ID4 City 52KW €35,436
VW ID4 Style 52KW €39,546

he said 799 tow bar but wasnt sure, can the small one take a tow bar ?

Black_Knight

robbie_63 wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what issues you are having with charging, is it just the scheduled charging isn't working?

Picking up an ID4 in 2 weeks and don't want to get caught out

kesey wrote: »

robbie, I have an ID.4v 1st which I charge using my Zappi. Scheduled charging using the night meter works faultlessly, and has done since I had the Zappi installed in early May. Previous to that I used the granny charger to top up.

Charging is set using the Zappi directly, or by using the app on my android phone or iPad. If I need to charge, all I need to do is plug in the ID.4 when I've finished using the car for the day and let the Zappi do it's thing. Once you set a schedule on the Zappi for every day, it's totally plug and charge thereafter.

Whether I've set the ID.4 to charge to 80% or 100% it does exactly what it's supposed to.

Enjoy the ID.4. It's a great car.

While you're not wrong kesey, you're adding to some confusion. You're using your zappi to schedule charging. No one is saying the Zappi has issues scheduling charging.
I'm using the ID.4s onboard scheduled charging system to manage (I loosely use that term) it, and it does not work with any sort of positive consistency. Set up scheduled charging, expect it to work, and you'll be disappointed 100% of the time.
Charging the car without scheduled charging works just fine.

Note* Scheduled charging in the ID cars is location based, so you define a charging location of your house and set parameters for charging there. It's a clever idea, but the implementation was not clever.

Black_Knight

celtic_oz wrote: »

Just got quoted the following :

VW ID4 City 52KW €35,436
VW ID4 Style 52KW €39,546

he said 799 tow bar but wasnt sure, can the small one take a tow bar ?

77kWh Battery
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,200kg braked at 8% incline.

52kWh
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,000kg braked at 8% incline.

robbie_63

Black_Knight wrote: »

While you're not wrong kesey, you're adding to some confusion. You're using your zappi to schedule charging. No one is saying the Zappi has issues scheduling charging.
I'm using the ID.4s onboard scheduled charging system to manage (I loosely use that term) it, and it does not work with any sort of positive consistency. Set up scheduled charging, expect it to work, and you'll be disappointed 100% of the time.
Charging the car without scheduled charging works just fine.

Note* Scheduled charging in the ID cars is location based, so you define a charging location of your house and set parameters for charging there. It's a clever idea, but the implementation was not clever.

So I'll just avoid the ID4 Scheduled charging feature for a while?

celtic_oz

Black_Knight wrote: »

77kWh Battery
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,200kg braked at 8% incline.

52kWh
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,000kg braked at 8% incline.

Thanks .. has anyone ever got a towbar and if so how much did you pay

Are these quotes ok for the 52kwh ?

VW ID4 City 52KW €35,436
VW ID4 Style 52KW €39,546

fits

Black_Knight wrote: »

77kWh Battery
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,200kg braked at 8% incline.

52kWh
Towing load of 750kg unbraked.
1,000kg braked at 12% incline.
1,000kg braked at 8% incline.

What’s this incline business about? Does it mean to avoid steep hills? Or is it something else entirely?

Black_Knight

robbie_63 wrote: »

So I'll just avoid the ID4 Scheduled charging feature for a while?

Certainly if you need X% the next day i'd not use it. Typically if I have a long drive ahead, i'll start charging 2 nights before in the hope that the first night I get some charge and the 2nd night I get to my specified %.

Others suggest using the app to manually start charging as close to midnight as you can from inside your house (assuming you have a night rate meter installed). Alas for me the app fails to start charging 100% of the time. I'll get onto VW about that soon enough.

kesey

robbie_63 wrote: »

Cheers Kesey, Wife will be using it mainly as her previous car (Diesel) couldn't cope with the short journeys multiple times a day.

Do you mind me asking where you got the Zappi Charger, I was looking at the one from Electric Ireland.

Also, do you set the charger to 80% max just to preserve the battery life or what are the benefits?

I got the Zappi from epower.ie. They have a group of independent installers and will have one of them come out to survey your property to quote and recommend prior to buying.

In normal usage, it's recommended to charge to 80% for battery care reasons. If you are doing a long journey where you need the full available travel distance, then you can charge to 100% the day or night before. Leaving the high voltage battery with 100% charge for long periods is not recommended.

This site is pretty clear, and has good info:
https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/how-to-charge-electric-car
As far as I'm aware, Pod-points are not available in Ireland at the moment.

p.s. I found epower.ie very good to deal with. They answered all questions clearly and gave good advice. Post-install they answered my questions clearly, quickly and accurately.

Black_Knight

celtic_oz wrote: »

Thanks .. has anyone ever got a towbar and if so how much did you pay

Are these quotes ok for the 52kwh ?

VW ID4 City 52KW €35,436
VW ID4 Style 52KW €39,546

I'd not buy at those prices. That's literally the price from the brochure. If that's that dealers best price, go to another dealer. Paint is €700 extra too. Tow bar price is in the brochure too. €985
https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/new-cars/ID4.html

fits wrote: »

What’s this incline business about? Does it mean to avoid steep hills? Or is it something else entirely?

Hills, yes.

fits

Black_Knight wrote: »

Hills, yes.

That’s bonkers. What are you supposed to do? Measure the incline before driving up it !

( I tow big loads regularly - hence the interest)

kesey

Black_Knight wrote: »

While you're not wrong kesey, you're adding to some confusion. You're using your zappi to schedule charging. No one is saying the Zappi has issues scheduling charging.
I'm using the ID.4s onboard scheduled charging system to manage (I loosely use that term) it, and it does not work with any sort of positive consistency. Set up scheduled charging, expect it to work, and you'll be disappointed 100% of the time.
Charging the car without scheduled charging works just fine.

Note* Scheduled charging in the ID cars is location based, so you define a charging location of your house and set parameters for charging there. It's a clever idea, but the implementation was not clever.

Black_Knight, I agree that the ID.4's onboard charging is still not working, afaik, correctly. Worse, it's pretty abysmal. And that is unacceptable from a company like VW. How hard can it be to get in a group of competent programmers?

However, I was making the point that it is possible to schedule the ID.4 without pain (other than paying for the charger installation). A lot of people who are reading these threads may only see the threads noting problems, and may not realise that there are ways around the problems.

BTW, Black-Knight thanks a mill for your many very informative posts.

fits

It’s certainly a relief for me to hear there are ways around it with zappi as I’ll be doing 260 km round trips in near future leaving at 6 am so charging has to be reliable for me.

liamog

Black_Knight wrote: »

Note* Scheduled charging in the ID cars is location based, so you define a charging location of your house and set parameters for charging there. It's a clever idea, but the implementation was not clever.

Once they get that working consistently it's a cool feature. I've accidentally left my car on scheduled charging at a public AC point a few times

JohnnyJohnJohns

Black_Knight wrote: »

42k OTR after "deals" from dealers. The ROTR price was €43423 (that includes delivery of €1k). Dealers regularly quoted me €42k, 1 quoted less, that's who I bought from.

ROTR was €42,248 according to the brochure.

€41k was the best deal I was able to get but I think a few people got a bit lower.

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Once they get that working consistently it's a cool feature. I've accidentally left my car on scheduled charging at a public AC point a few times

Yup. Took me months to notice the scheduled charging override button in the Ioniq. Got caught out a few times before that.

Black_Knight

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

ROTR was €42,248 according to the brochure.

RRP was/is €42,243
ROTR includes delivery of €1000, thus €43,423.

Not sure what brochure you're looking at, but i've just downloaded the brochure and it matches the brochure I had from 3-4 months ago at €43423.

Are you looking at the old vat rates brochure?

celtic_oz

Frank Keane Volkswagen Liffey Valley just said they had 12 last week and they are sold out today