VW ID.4

tooth*grinder

Thats bizarre -  I was just talking to a dealer yesterday and the PCP figures he gave me were:
€5000 deposit
€8500 trade in
€347.97 X 36months
GFV €19515
2.9% APR

That was for a 1st edition (non max).

I wanted to throw more of a deposit but he said he couldn't do it. First time I've looked at PCP for a car, still not sure if I like it though. The fact we appear to have gotten two different quotes bothers me I have to say.

(Was looking at getting a car last year, happy upside of covid for me putting the skids on that then but on the up side have more of a deposit to play with) 

hold my beer

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Thats bizarre - I was just talking to a dealer yesterday and the PCP figures he gave me were:
€5000 deposit
€8500 trade in
€347.97 X 36months
GFV €19515
2.9% APR

That was for a 1st edition (non max).

I wanted to throw more of a deposit but he said he couldn't do it. First time I've looked at PCP for a car, still not sure if I like it though. The fact we appear to have gotten two different quotes bothers me I have to say.

(Was looking at getting a car last year, happy upside of covid for me putting the skids on that then but on the up side have more of a deposit to play with)

2 different quotes on what?

TitianGerm

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Thats bizarre -  I was just talking to a dealer yesterday and the PCP figures he gave me were:
€5000 deposit
€8500 trade in
€347.97 X 36months
GFV €19515
2.9% APR

That was for a 1st edition (non max).

I wanted to throw more of a deposit but he said he couldn't do it. First time I've looked at PCP for a car, still not sure if I like it though. The fact we appear to have gotten two different quotes bothers me I have to say.

(Was looking at getting a car last year, happy upside of covid for me putting the skids on that then but on the up side have more of a deposit to play with) 

The other poster is getting the Max I think - total payments = €58,208

Your total payments are €45,542.

GMFV looks a little off between both though. I would have imagined there'd be more of a difference between the two at year three than there.

Banana Republic 1

Summer8181 wrote: »

In 3 years time, VW are promising 800+ KM. That will be the key figure I'll be looking at. 400km is plenty for half the country

When they give range figures in general does that take into account the regenerative braking bonus. I say bonus because it’s not applicable to ICE.

tooth*grinder

TitianGerm wrote: »

The other poster is getting the Max I think - total payments = €58,208

Aha - sorry should have spotted that.

But yeah the GFV difference seems to be smaller than it should be, right? (again, never looked at PCP before so might be all perfectly normal)

CoBo55

cruisey1987 wrote: »

€17,229 deposit
€501.61 per month for 36 months
€22,921 final payment
2.9% APR


2024 is going to be a fun year if I decide to keep the car :eek:

Hefty figures, getting into ev ownership is an expensive business. 23k settlement isn't leaving much room for going into the next deal in 2024. I've a year left on the superb with a 12k settlement I'll have the money to cash out as they say. Very difficult to know what to do. Those figures wouldn't encourage me tbh.

TitianGerm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Hefty figures, getting into ev ownership is an expensive business. 23k settlement isn't leaving much room for going into the next deal in 2024. I've a year left on the superb with a 12k settlement I'll have the money to cash out as they say. Very difficult to know what to do. Those figures wouldn't encourage me tbh.

If it holds it's value as well as a Tiguan you might be surprised.

Gazzler82

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Aha - sorry should have spotted that.

But yeah the GFV difference seems to be smaller than it should be, right? (again, never looked at PCP before so might be all perfectly normal)

Was quoted 22,432 GFV with a 10% depo for a1st. 536 pm

the_amazing_raisin

TitianGerm wrote: »

The other poster is getting the Max I think - total payments = €58,208

Your total payments are €45,542.

GMFV looks a little off between both though. I would have imagined there'd be more of a difference between the two at year three than there.

Beat me to it


Yes I'm getting the Max which comes in just over €56k OTR

the_amazing_raisin

CoBo55 wrote: »

Hefty figures, getting into ev ownership is an expensive business. 23k settlement isn't leaving much room for going into the next deal in 2024. I've a year left on the superb with a 12k settlement I'll have the money to cash out as they say. Very difficult to know what to do. Those figures wouldn't encourage me tbh.

Car ownership in general is an expensive business


I suspect VW kept the GMFV high to make the repayments lower. They also almost guaruntee someone is going to trade in that car against a newer one by making the final payment unattractive

the_amazing_raisin

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

When they give range figures in general does that take into account the regenerative braking bonus. I say bonus because it’s not applicable to ICE.

Sort of, the WLTP cycle has acceleration and deceleration cycles which would use the regen


Truth be told, regen won't play a huge factor on a long journey unless there's a mountain in the middle. It's more efficient to coast if you can than to brake and accelerate again


Regen is more useful in city driving IMO because it gives you more of a one pedal experience and saves your brake pads


The ID.4 has a neat trick where it'll adjust the regen based on the road conditions ahead. For example, if you're appraoching a junction it'll prompt you to life off the accelerator pedal and will turn the regen to max to recover as much energy as possible

CoBo55

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Car ownership in general is an expensive business


I suspect VW kept the GMFV high to make the repayments lower. They also almost guaruntee someone is going to trade in that car against a newer one by making the final payment unattractive

There's expensive and there's expensive, can't see myself making the leap next year into ev ownership.

Summer8181

Wait until diesel is €2 a litre. It's might not be too far away.

the_amazing_raisin

CoBo55 wrote: »

There's expensive and there's expensive, can't see myself making the leap next year into ev ownership.

It's up to you of course but you may want to consider cheaper alternatives. The ID.4 is in a totally different segment to the Skoda Superb so there's not much point comparing them

There's lower priced cars out out there like the Ioniq, ID.3, MG 5 EV and others

Banana Republic 1

cruisey1987 wrote: »

It's up to you of course but you may want to consider cheaper alternatives. The ID.4 is in a totally different segment to the Skoda Superb so there's not much point comparing them

There's lower priced cars out out there like the Ioniq, ID.3, MG 5 EV and others

Skoda have their own take in the ID 4, maybe it’s not out yet but it soon will be.

eko

Anyone have an order for the ID.4 (non-Max)? It seems the Max is the popular one, but the difference in price is not small (about 12k?). Anyone else think the base car is good enough? On the fence about whether the Max is worth the extra outlay.

the_amazing_raisin

eko wrote: »

Anyone have an order for the ID.4 (non-Max)? It seems the Max is the popular one, but the difference in price is not small (about 12k?). Anyone else think the base car is good enough? On the fence about whether the Max is worth the extra outlay.

I'd say the Max is worth it if you're planning on a lot of long distance driving since it's got the Travel assist and matrix headlights. It's also got the panoramic roof which really opens up the interior

It's up to you whether that's worth the 12k extra. It's a big outlay and it probably doesn't make financial sense in terms of value for money or future value

But then again, when has buying a car been about financial responsibility

CoBo55

cruisey1987 wrote: »

It's up to you of course but you may want to consider cheaper alternatives. The ID.4 is in a totally different segment to the Skoda Superb so there's not much point comparing them

There's lower priced cars out out there like the Ioniq, ID.3, MG 5 EV and others

Very true.

cannco253

I was told the ID.4 software update takes about 3.5 hours. I'm not sure what version the car was shipped with, but doesn't seem to be as big a problem as some of the ID.3's are having.

Another thing I heard was that the VW app will at some point in the future offer users the option to purchase items. I've no idea what this really means, but I suppose that they could add new software features to the car that they could unlock - given that OTA updates should be a feature on 2.1 I guess this could be possible.

It's been mentioned elsewhere that any major updates in the future would not be done OTA and would require the car being booked in, but surely this defeats the purpose of OTA? I wonder why VW aren't making more of a big deal about OTA given how strong a feature it should be.

Apart from Tesla, do other EV manufacturers provide OTA updates?

Rusky rusky

Well, a control module in my id.3 was fried today during the update from the original software...

the_amazing_raisin

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Well, a control module in my id.3 was fried today during the update from the original software...

Was that listed in the known bugs?

Banana Republic 1

cannco253 wrote: »

I was told the ID.4 software update takes about 3.5 hours. I'm not sure what version the car was shipped with, but doesn't seem to be as big a problem as some of the ID.3's are having.

Another thing I heard was that the VW app will at some point in the future offer users the option to purchase items. I've no idea what this really means, but I suppose that they could add new software features to the car that they could unlock - given that OTA updates should be a feature on 2.1 I guess this could be possible.

It's been mentioned elsewhere that any major updates in the future would not be done OTA and would require the car being booked in, but surely this defeats the purpose of OTA? I wonder why VW aren't making more of a big deal about OTA given how strong a feature it should be.

Apart from Tesla, do other EV manufacturers provide OTA updates?

I don’t know is about cars but that’s the model John Deere are pursuing. The future of car ownership is a subscription model.

You’ll buy a standard shell and purchase upgrades as you need or want them much like Netflix.

In China there bringing out that model, if you want to go on a long journey you buy/rent a battery upgrade. So you’re going on a long trip Wednesday and on Tuesday you drive to a warehouse and they swap your battery over. Same with cruise control or anything you upgrade for the period you need it.

JohnnyJohnJohns

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Skoda have their own take in the ID 4, maybe it’s not out yet but it soon will be.

I looked at the Enyaq but for similar range the price was the same as an id4, I think the id4 is a nicer car, it was higher spec and I'd assume as a VW it might hold its value a bit better than the Skoda. Unfortunately no bargain EVs from the VAG group

Oafley Jones

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

I looked at the Enyaq but for similar range the price was the same as an id4, I think the id4 is a nicer car, it was higher spec and I'd assume as a VW it might hold its value a bit better than the Skoda. Unfortunately no bargain EVs from the VAG group

What was the difference in spec. Honestly, the Enyaq’s interior looks like it was far more expensive to produce than the id4s touchscreen/haptics cost cutting.

JohnnyJohnJohns

Oafley Jones wrote: »

What was the difference in spec. Honestly, the Enyaq’s interior looks like it was far more expensive to produce than the id4s touchscreen/haptics cost cutting.

One of the things I like about cars is that we all appreciate different things.

From what I can see the Enyaq 77 kW is nearly 45k on the road. Once you added in metallic paint, 125kw charging your looking at over 46k Vs 42 for the id4. Id4 has worked Android auto and OTA updates going for it too.

I think the Enyaq standard interior looks awful so would have wanted to upgrade that. Given they're similar cars I'd say they'll both be worth a similar amount in 3 years time so I'd rather go the cheaper car at a better spec from VW.

moleyv

cannco253 wrote: »

I was told the ID.4 software update takes about 3.5 hours. I'm not sure what version the car was shipped with, but doesn't seem to be as big a problem as some of the ID.3's are having.

Another thing I heard was that the VW app will at some point in the future offer users the option to purchase items. I've no idea what this really means, but I suppose that they could add new software features to the car that they could unlock - given that OTA updates should be a feature on 2.1 I guess this could be possible.

It's been mentioned elsewhere that any major updates in the future would not be done OTA and would require the car being booked in, but surely this defeats the purpose of OTA? I wonder why VW aren't making more of a big deal about OTA given how strong a feature it should be.

Apart from Tesla, do other EV manufacturers provide OTA updates?

BMW

Oafley Jones

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

One of the things I like about cars is that we all appreciate different things.

From what I can see the Enyaq 77 kW is nearly 45k on the road. Once you added in metallic paint, 125kw charging your looking at over 46k Vs 42 for the id4. Id4 has worked Android auto and OTA updates going for it too.

I think the Enyaq standard interior looks awful so would have wanted to upgrade that. Given they're similar cars I'd say they'll both be worth a similar amount in 3 years time so I'd rather go the cheaper car at a better spec from VW.

I’d assume the entire VAG group for the recent releases should all receive OTA updates, no?

I dont know how anyone can think the iD4 dash/controls are an upgrade on anything. They seem objectively awful. The latest golf is bad, but this seems an Oder of magnitude worse. I was just watching Matt Watson Carwow review and I’m struggling to think of anything as cheap and compromised in the price bracket. The fit out budget for the range most have been incredibly severe given the level of cut backs (eg the lack of an independent rear windows controls is something else, it’s like something you’d imagine on a 15k city car)

JohnnyJohnJohns

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I’d assume the entire VAG group for the recent releases should all receive OTA updates, no?

I dont know how anyone can think the iD4 dash/controls are an upgrade on anything. They seem objectively awful. The latest golf is bad, but this seems an Oder of magnitude worse. I was just watching Matt Watson Carwow review and I’m struggling to think of anything as cheap and compromised in the price bracket. The fit out budget for the range most have been incredibly severe given the level of cut backs (eg the lack of an independent rear windows controls is something else, it’s like something you’d imagine on a 15k city car)

That's cool that Skoda are doing OTA, glad to hear it!

The rear window thing I kind of like, I never use all buttons together and generally never use any outside of driver window so not hitting the wrong button is a bonus for me. I haven't seen anything about dash controls that seems particularly bad, what's the issue exactly?

Jofspring

In fairness I got the impression from Matt Watson that he went into that review not liking the car at all and picked up any little thing he didn't like. It was the first review of the ID4 I saw where the reviewer was so harsh on every aspect of the car.

Personally I love the look of the outside of it and the inside is nice but not amazing. The price is very saucey for the standard of interior based on what I have seen in reviews. I'll hold out on full judgement until I get to actually sit in one.

Oafley Jones

Jofspring wrote: »

In fairness I got the impression from Matt Watson that he went into that review not liking the car at all and picked up any little thing he didn't like. It was the first review of the ID4 I saw where the reviewer was so harsh on every aspect of the car.

Matt Watson isn’t exactly a hatchet man is he? Given his role and who he works for, it’s not in his interest. And nobody really wants to piss off VW. My take away is that the product must be fairy bad if that’s the level of enthusiasm. It’s kinda of like when you see a 4 out of 5 on autocar or autoexpress for VW.