England vs Ireland WC warm up

Sanity_Saviour

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to attempt to. Which he did.

It was an ugly but legal challenge, Ireland are so on the back foot that England can line us up all over the park.

Ah come on that was a great tackle, nothing ugly about it

Kevski

Faugheen wrote: »

Taking Henderson off and leaving POM/Stander on?

Henderson has been one of the only players playing well at the moment. Best to take him off and make sure that those rarities don’t get injured.

Akrasia

AbusesToilets wrote: »

What is Joe training them to do, if they're playing this poorly? No shape, no intensity, crap passing, poor defensive structure.

****e all around

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

Rocko

aloooof wrote: »

Should we only support our teams when they're winning? This seems way too knee-jerk to me.

Aside from that, even if Ireland aren't in it, how many times in your life are you going to get the chance to go to a RWC Semi-final?

Going half way around the world & spending a truck load of money, you wouldn't mind seeing Ireland playing half decent rugby which we haven't seen in quiet a while.

AbusesToilets

Reminds of what Rog said about the 2007 warm ups, when he realised how off the pace they were. I think Joe has backed a style of play that's going to be shown up badly in the 1/4s.

We can't even simply pass it along the backline.

Stockdale playing his way out of the team

Beechwoodspark

I don’t agree that we just have to beat scots

Japan will be tough. Home crowd. We SHOULD beat them but we won’t by playing “any old rubbish”.

Whereisgalway

Hahahaha sport has never worked like that

Akrasia wrote: »

AbusesToilets wrote: »

What is Joe training them to do, if they're playing this poorly? No shape, no intensity, crap passing, poor defensive structure.

****e all around

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

penybont exile

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is worrying to say the least

We have Wales x 2 coming up the tracks as well

I'd guess we will play a hybrid team next week .....you'll have a good chance at redemption.

Strazdas

I suppose one good thing is we're going into the World Cup with no expectations whatsoever (which would have been unimaginable a year ago)

vienne86

That's shocking defense.

Faugheen

Stockdale has been beyond poor.

That move was so predictable too.

What is it they’re trying to do out there?

Beechwoodspark

Good try in fairness

Acres of space for them

ScissorPaperRock

Wow. Wtf.

troyzer

Akrasia wrote: »

AbusesToilets wrote: »

What is Joe training them to do, if they're playing this poorly? No shape, no intensity, crap passing, poor defensive structure.

****e all around

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

I didn't realise it was revealing our tactics to win our own lineouts and make tackles on first phase.

Absolute nonsense. There may some truth to Joe not revealing some of his power plays and moves but they're not even doing the basics properly today. Some of that you can put down to rust but this is just embarrassing.

This looks like England vs Romania.

AbusesToilets

Akrasia wrote: »

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

That also means hoping that your players can execute a gameplan for the first time in the most high pressure environment.

ScrubsfanChris

Ireland ran the same back line move of the scrum twice, what moron called that?

Former Former

Jesus. That's grim.

Tikki Wang Wang

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

Why is Best starting Hooker. He can’t do the basics at all.

Ireland to go out at group stages @22/1 is great value

Now into 18/1

Former Former

On the plus side. We haven't given away any of our best moves.

It's all coming together.

thomond2006

Ah here.

Put out the backups next week after that. A complete embarrassment of a second half.

Stheno

This is desperate

touts

**** it. This team is done. Bring young lads to Japan and start working towards 2023.

ScissorPaperRock

This is spirit crushing stuff. Just awful.

Henry Ford III

Akrasia wrote: »

The road to the world cup is paved with players who put it all out there in warmup games and get injured before the tournament starts.

It's completely understandable for Irish 1st team players to be holding back.

It's a pre-season game. It's up to the fringe players to put their hands up

What are England doing then?

sydthebeat

Aki and ringrose are playing like the have never met each other before.

Absymal midfield defense, Absymal wing forward defense and so passive is embarrassing

AbusesToilets

Former Former wrote: »

On the plus side. We haven't given away any of our best moves.

It's all coming together.

Joe must be holding more cards than a Vegas blackjack dealer

LuckyGent88

No matter what people say about only a warm up, this is embarrassingly pathetic. England are absolutely miles ahead of us.

penybont exile

Irish backs are way too passive in defence .....

dublinman1990

England are ahead of us with 7 tries to 1 at this minute.

alwald

Akrasia wrote: »

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

New Zealand drew and lost a game as far as I remember...and even in defeat they were able to attack, score tries, looked hungry and threatening unlike the Irish team today.

Akrasia wrote: »

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

I don't buy this, Ireland have been quite poor since beating NZ last year.

Akrasia wrote: »

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

Beating Scotland by playing like today won't be possible I am afraid but I reserve my judgment until I see the next few test games against Wales.

Akrasia wrote: »

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

We need to peak now just like England and have various game plans and try them and test them against Wales...Ireland is so predictable.

Beechwoodspark

Awful

This game is wrote off

Main thing now is no more injuries.

thomond2006

I think Hayes might do better than some of that lot.

The Rape of Lucretia

The bottom line is that its a great English team. Very much shades of 2003 here. They have improved steadily over the last 4 years, and coming to the boil at the right time.
Its coming home. Webb Ellis. Webb Ellis coming home. etc.

Faugheen

What was that from Carty?

NeonWolf

What’s the difference between what toner did there and folau on kearney ?

Wailin

Akrasia wrote: »

Look at New Zealand. They lost 2 games in a row trying to play a system they were not used to, and then wiped the floor with Australia when they were allowed to cut loose.

I think Ireland are playing with their cards so close to their chest that nobody really knows what their gameplan should be.

In the group stage, all we have to do is beat Scotland. If we win that game we can play any old rubbish and top the group.

We need to peak at the quarter-final, and we need something up our sleeve tactically that the South Africans or New Zealanders haven't had weeks to analyse to give us the advantage in the crucial knockout stages of RWC 2019

Bollocks. Ireland have been found out this year and are a very very average team. 2018 was a great year but they had some luck too against France and Wales. Could have been a totally different outcome. 2019 has shown them to have no proper game plan, no attacking platform at all and completely devoid of ideas. Anyone who thinks Ireland are holding back and allowing themselves be be hammered by 40plus points is deluded..

Strazdas

The only way is up. They're unlikely to play as badly as this in any other game in 2019 (that's not saying much, but I think we can put this down as a one off shambles of a performance)

griffinlee

Ireland have no shape, no forward ball, no plan, no aggression, no power plays meanwhile England look aggressive, slick and cohesive.
But don't worry we are saving all that for the game against japan

Kevski

NeonWolf wrote: »

What’s the difference between what toner did there and folau on kearney ?

I give up, tell us

Happens in every sport to every sports person and team.

A bad day gets worse and things falls apart. You have a performance that would be considered dire in training.

Not ideal and I hope there is a flip side to this that will become apparent in due course.

Few players id have considered nailed on might be less secure.

Gidea

Strazdas wrote: »

The only way is up. They're unlikely to play as badly as this in any other game in 2019 (that's not saying much, but I think we can put this down as a one off shambles of a performance)

TBH i thought that after the welsh game, its not looking great atm..

Whereisgalway

NeonWolf wrote: »

What’s the difference between what toner did there and folau on kearney ?

Toner is untouchable in the Irish media is the main difference

Naggdefy

The Ravenhill Italy draw in the 2007 WC warm up was way better than this.

corny

England are not a team you want to be passive and sloppy against. You either go into the trenches with them or they'll pummel you. We've shown zero aggression in this game.

There's no doubt we're holding back...the same move (two passes wide to Stockdale) off every set phase has been called..... but Schmidt shouldn't tolerate this. Established players (Best, POM, Stander) are getting away with these poor performances too often.

durthacht

The heads are gone on the Irish lads. Even basic skills are beyond them. I hope they get a consolation try.

England look potential world champions though. They are awesome.

They're a disgrace out there

Exclamation Marc

Rocko wrote: »

Going half way around the world & spending a truck load of money, you wouldn't mind seeing Ireland playing half decent rugby which we haven't seen in quiet a while.

I've no doubt that they'll get out of their group and will be up for the QF and they have a shot. Today's game isn't nice (which is as politely as I can put it) but it's no more than a warm up loss. If Ireland got to a semi, nobody is going to give a toss about today.

Each to their own, it's not my money. But if I had spent the money and was going anyway and had tickets, I'd get behind my team and back them to make it. That's what being a supporter is.

BarryD2

Warm up or not, been thrashed here. Wonder what words of wisdom will Joe have for us after this?