Why are men more homophobic compared to women?

Paddy Cow

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Just confirms to me that I can't be affectionate in public as Ireland's still full of homophobes with their visceral reactions and so on.

Hence it's depressing. It's just reality though. Not much I can do about it.

Think I'm going to give boards and social media in general a break tbh. Finding it's just making me feel angry.

They're not homophobes though. Some men have admitted that they don't like seeing gay couples kissing but won't try to stop them. I don't like PDA's in general, it doesn't matter the sexuality of the couple and I don't feel bad for that in the slightest.

wakka12

Interesting seeing all the people saying its instinctual to be repulsed by it. People would have said the very same thing about interracial couples kissing not so long ago and now most people would say somebody was very immature or completely racist in fact to be repulsed by just the image of two people of different races kissing today.

Theres a quite a wide margin between repulsion and attraction. So no, Im not saying you have to be attracted to men kissing in public. But so long as they are not being sexually inappropriate or over the top with it in the setting /environment in question, I believe it is completely irrational to be repulsed by it. Im gay and the thought of having sex with a woman completely repulses me, but I dont understand why I should feel repulsed at all by two women kissing in public, its none of my business and I just feel completely indifferent to seeing it tbh

wakka12

Paddy Cow wrote: »

They're not homophobes though. Some men have admitted that they don't like seeing gay couples kissing but won't try to stop them. I don't like PDA's in general, it doesn't matter the sexuality of the couple and I don't feel bad for that in the slightest.

To me being not homophobic means treating gay and straight couples exactly the same. Being repulsed by one gay couple doing something and not the other straight couple doing the same thing is not treating them the same.And yes maybe some of the men in this thread were just against straight PDA's and all PDA in general as well but given the fact we are discussing gay people I think we can take it the majority of those type of replies mean they are repulsed by gay couples kissing not straight ones

Andreas77

She had transitioned but still had penis.

kylith

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

You know, I wonder how many wives would be happy with their husband having an intimate friendship with a masculine gay man? Like going out for pints, talking about their problems, spending the night sleeping in the same room after crashing out on pints and going for weekends fishing together?

Himself has gay mates that he hangs around with and talks about stuff with. Doesn't bother me. Why would it?

I've heard it said that some men are worried that gay men would treat them the way they themselves treat women. Don't know how accurate that would be, but it's an interesting thought.

nthclare

Most homophobes are closeted bi or gay men
More than half of Grindr and fab guys is supposed to be full of closeted guy's.

I guarantee you that there's someone on this thread who's saying not for me etc ,but now and again knocks one out thinking of some guy...

Reviews and Books Galore

kylith wrote: »

Himself has gay mates that he hangs around with and talks about stuff with. Doesn't bother me. Why would it?

I've heard it said that some men are worried that gay men would treat them the way they themselves treat women. Don't know how accurate that would be, but it's an interesting thought.

Some women are insecure and are nervous that the gay man will take them away or will see the man as less of a man for hanging around with a gay guy.

Also, I'm not sure I believe the thought tbh. That's kind of like saying women are nervous lesbians as they are afraid of them treating them the same way that they would treat men?

Wibbs

wakka12 wrote: »

Theres a quite a wide margin between repulsion and attraction. So no, Im not saying you have to be attracted to men kissing in public. But so long as they are not being sexually inappropriate or over the top with it in the setting /environment in question, I believe it is completely irrational to be repulsed by it. Im gay and the thought of having sex with a woman completely repulses me, but I dont understand why I should feel repulsed at all by two women kissing in public, its none of my business and I just feel completely indifferent to seeing it tbh

I suppose it depends where one's repulsion, or better it being unpalatable(tnx BG) comes in. I fully understand why as a Gay man you would feel repulsed by the notion of having sex with a woman and would be surprised if you weren't. However I would take zero offence from that as a Straight man. Now that said I also fully understand why there might be more offence taken by Gay folks, as they've put up with far more crap as the minority sexuality in society. It's simply easier for me not to take offence as society doesn't see my sexuality as offensive to whatever degree that still exists and it most certainly does still exist.

Wibbs

nthclare wrote: »

Most homophobes are closeted bi or gay men
More than half of Grindr and fab guys is supposed to be full of closeted guy's.

I guarantee you that there's someone on this thread who's saying not for me etc ,but now and again knocks one out thinking of some guy...

Well what studies are there do show that more homophobes are closeted gays compared to background, and yes I'd not be particularly surprised if there was someone on this thread in that category, but most is a stretch and wearing a tad thin at this stage as a comeback or explanation.

suicide_circus

If you dont like to watch a bear siring a twink you must be gay

Floppybits

Tony EH wrote: »

We're all going to just have to face the fact that straight men are, naturally, just a bit weirded out by male homosexual sexual acts and straight women are, naturally, just a bit weirded out by female homosexual acts <- this is more prevalent than you think and even fag hags will have their limit, trust me.

This isn't really a bad thing, in and of itself, though. It's not the end of the world to be, yes, "repulsed" by this. And it's not "homophobia" either. But, it does exist.

As for the people you know who are "disapproving" of LGBT rights, well, they might have issues that go beyond that.

Hey, ya know what, the gay blokes I know are "disgusted" by vaginas.

But, sure that's grand isn't it.

Why is all the focus on hetrosexuals and they way they feel about homosexual behaviour? What about gay people who find hetrosexuals repulsive? I am sure there are gay men and women out there that find hetrosexual PDA's not something they want to see.

Its ok not to be excited about seeing to men or 2 women or a man and a woman kissing or displaying some form of affection as long as you are not trying to stop them. Seeing 2 people eat the face off each other be they straight or gay is not always the best thing to see.

nthclare

Wibbs wrote: »

Well what studies are there do show that more homophobes are closeted gays compared to background, and yes I'd not be particularly surprised if there was someone on this thread in that category, but most is a stretch and wearing a tad thin at this stage as a comeback or explanation.

Im finding it hard to understand that response, it's puzzling and my brain isn't firing so good today.

I'm not undermining your ability to string a paragraph together, it's just would you mind laying that out in layman's terms ?

I'm slightly dyslexic myself

beejee

nthclare wrote: »

Most homophobes are closeted bi or gay men
More than half of Grindr and fab guys is supposed to be full of closeted guy's.

I guarantee you that there's someone on this thread who's saying not for me etc ,but now and again knocks one out thinking of some guy...

Go to a more simplistic example to discover principal.

The vast majority of Irish people, I presume, would not like to eat insects, have them served up on a plate, or even like the idea itself. Fine.

Now imagine being accused of

1) being "afraid" of eating insects, literally in fear, an "insectphobe", end of story.

2) most people who profess to disliking it, are actually secretly eating them on the sly.

3) it's "irrational" not to like the idea of eating insects, therefore wrong and bad

How thick does that principal sound to you?

Andreas77

On second night we ordered Dominos pizza and I remember only like it was yesterday as I reached across her bare bottom towards pizza box for additional slice. When I discovered cardboard packaging was empty how we laughed and laughed. I think it was one of the happiest moments of my life apart from city-breaks with ex-wife. Actually this woman was insatiable and inclusion of penis became non issue. I did fondle it and pleasure her down there, and yes, it was shrunken due to medication. A very pretty little piece. Circumcised with sallow skin. It was first and probably last time I had this experience, but men should know there is world of wonder on other side. I took her shopping on last day, Gucci, Armani, Christian D'or. I told her I would buy her any dress she desired. I also bought her sunglasses, and subtitled videos from underground art-house movie store. Last time I checked on Facebook she is very happy in committed relationship with adopted children. I think we have both learned something from this experience.

Prince Andrew

When I am attending a large orgy I often seek the assistance of a rent boy to help with errands during prolonged bouts of sexual activity. It can become quite strenuous at times and I sometimes find that even with the aid of the little blue pills I find it hard to maintain the long strong girth of my younger years. I lament the days of plentiful erections which I could maintain for hours. Laughing in hysteria as I meandered aimlessly though Victorian dorms of depravity with my rent boys and concubines in toe.

Happy times.

Wibbs

Floppybits wrote: »

Why is all the focus on hetrosexuals and they way they feel about homosexual behaviour? What about gay people who find hetrosexuals repulsive? I am sure there are gay men and women out there that find hetrosexual PDA's not something they want to see.

And fair enough, so long as they don't seek to interfere.

nthclare wrote: »

Im finding it hard to understand that response, it's puzzling and my brain isn't firing so good today.

I'm not undermining your ability to string a paragraph together, it's just would you mind laying that out in layman's terms ?

I'm slightly dyslexic myself

Basically N, it's a common enough response on the subject that sooner or later someone will come along and say something like "anyone who isn't 100% behind Gay expression is probably Gay themselves and in denial".

Wibbs

Andreas77 wrote: »

On second night we ordered Dominos pizza and I remember only like it was yesterday as I reached across her bare bottom towards pizza box for additional slice. When I discovered cardboard packaging was empty how we laughed and laughed. I think it was one of the happiest moments of my life apart from city-breaks with ex-wife. Actually this woman was insatiable and inclusion of penis became non issue. I did fondle it and pleasure her down there, and yes, it was shrunken due to medication. A very pretty little piece. Circumcised with sallow skin. It was first and probably last time I had this experience, but men should know there is world of wonder on other side. I took her shopping on last day, Gucci, Armani, Christian D'or. I told her I would buy her any dress she desired. I also bought her sunglasses, and subtitled videos from underground art-house movie store. Last time I checked on Facebook she is very happy in committed relationship with adopted children. I think we have both learned something from this experience.

Holy jumping fcuk. Etc.

Sardonicat

Andreas77 wrote: »

On second night we ordered Dominos pizza and I remember only like it was yesterday as I reached across her bare bottom towards pizza box for additional slice. When I discovered cardboard packaging was empty how we laughed and laughed. I think it was one of the happiest moments of my life apart from city-breaks with ex-wife. Actually this woman was insatiable and inclusion of penis became non issue. I did fondle it and pleasure her down there, and yes, it was shrunken due to medication. A very pretty little piece. Circumcised with sallow skin. It was first and probably last time I had this experience, but men should know there is world of wonder on other side. I took her shopping on last day, Gucci, Armani, Christian D'or. I told her I would buy her any dress she desired. I also bought her sunglasses, and subtitled videos from underground art-house movie store. Last time I checked on Facebook she is very happy in committed relationship with adopted children. I think we have both learned something from this experience.

Six hobs and all you got was a Dominios pizza!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I’ve had gay guys tell me that they find female genitalia and the idea of having sex with women repulsive. It’s okay for them to say that, IMO. By the same token, it’s okay for somebody to find men kissing or having sex repulsive. It’s because it’s contrary to one’s own sexual orientation.

I’m a straight woman and I personally don’t find the thought of same sex intercourse repulsive but everyone is different.

d8491prj5boyvg

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not much. I'm not a gay man.

I think it's extreme (at the very least clunky) to describe a sign of affection between two gay men as 'repulsive'. The adjective 'repulsive' has, as I'm sure you and others know yourselves, fairly negative connotations. If I were a gay man, I would not be impressed.

It's as odd to me as someone describing a mother cuddling her child as repulsive; it's a fairly natural thing to see.

I would agree that repulsive is a poor choice of words. There should be differentiation here acknowledging ones personal feelings and the language one uses. Nobody has acknowledged the fact that one can have an inward response from the gut, rather than intellectual. Someone should not be judged for that.

Church on Tuesday

JayZeus wrote: »

Except that it’s not. Not yet anyway. It’s still rather uncommon and entirely without occasion in many places around Ireland.

Change takes time, understanding, patience. You can’t just will things to be the way you hope they become and declare it to be so, today.

So, no, it’s not a natural thing to see. In time, perhaps so.

An expression of love, any kind of love, is an entirely natural thing to see.

I've seen gay people holding hands and embrace out and about. Is it as common as heterosexual signs of affection? no, then again when you run the risk of possible abuse out in public, that's hardly surprising. Depends on whether you live in the country (where the chance to encounter different demographics of people are lower) or urban areas really.

dvdman1

Men tend to think of physicality, this in turn can create a repulsion
Women are more feelings based.
Generalisations of course

wakka12

dvdman1 wrote: »

Men tend to think of physicality, this in turn can create a repulsion
Women are more feelings based.
Generalisations of course

An accepted generalization but why would that make men more homophobic? Its not a strong argument anyway

beejee

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

An expression of love, , any kind of love is an entirely natural thing to see.

I've seen gay people holding hands and embrace out and about. Is it as common as heterosexual signs of affection? no, then again when you run the risk of possible abuse out in public, that's hardly surprising. Depends on whether you live in the country (where the chance to encounter different demographics of people are lower) or urban areas really.

True enough. I regularly try to french kiss my pet goose, Gunther, any time I get a chance in public. He's fairly indifferent to it, but sure 'tis a beautiful sight to behold, most natural thing in the world. Love is love, afterall.

And anyone who doesn't agree with it? They're just fearful, irrational people, or else secretly lashing geese out of it on the down low. Deal with it

d8491prj5boyvg

Kristina Elegant Lozenge wrote: »

I would agree that repulsive is a poor choice of words. There should be differentiation here acknowledging ones personal feelings and the language one uses. Nobody has acknowledged the fact that one can have an inward response from the gut, rather than intellectual. Someone should not be judged for that.

There's also the fact that an inward response changes with time. The first time you change a nappy invokes a very different response than the hundreth. The first time you step into a nightclub and see all the PDAs (and then some) invokes a very different response than the last. The first time you see PDAs on the street (homosexual or heterosexual) invokes a different response to the last. So, I would not shame people for having a visceral response but that same person should be willing to acknowledge that this may dampen with time and the solution is to see more, not less, of this on a day to day basis.

Church on Tuesday

beejee wrote: »

True enough. I regularly try to french kiss my pet goose, Gunther, any time I get a chance in public. He's fairly indifferent to it, but sure 'tis a beautiful sight to behold, most natural thing in the world. Love is love, afterall.

And anyone who doesn't agree with it? They're just fearful, irrational people, or else secretly lashing geese out of it on the down low. Deal with it

Do you put lippy on Gunther first?

nthclare

beejee wrote: »

Go to a more simplistic example to discover principal.

The vast majority of Irish people, I presume, would not like to eat insects, have them served up on a plate, or even like the idea itself. Fine.

Now imagine being accused of

1) being "afraid" of eating insects, literally in fear, an "insectphobe", end of story.

2) most people who profess to disliking it, are actually secretly eating them on the sly.

3) it's "irrational" not to like the idea of eating insects, therefore wrong and bad

How thick does that principal sound to you?

Well from reading your post you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet

Feisar

Andreas77 wrote: »

On second night we ordered Dominos pizza and I remember only like it was yesterday as I reached across her bare bottom towards pizza box for additional slice. When I discovered cardboard packaging was empty how we laughed and laughed. I think it was one of the happiest moments of my life apart from city-breaks with ex-wife. Actually this woman was insatiable and inclusion of penis became non issue. I did fondle it and pleasure her down there, and yes, it was shrunken due to medication. A very pretty little piece. Circumcised with sallow skin. It was first and probably last time I had this experience, but men should know there is world of wonder on other side. I took her shopping on last day, Gucci, Armani, Christian D'or. I told her I would buy her any dress she desired. I also bought her sunglasses, and subtitled videos from underground art-house movie store. Last time I checked on Facebook she is very happy in committed relationship with adopted children. I think we have both learned something from this experience.

Dunno why but I'm monologuing that in my mind in John Cusack's character's voice in High Fidelity.

nthclare

beejee wrote: »

Go to a more simplistic example to discover principal.

The vast majority of Irish people, I presume, would not like to eat insects, have them served up on a plate, or even like the idea itself. Fine.

Now imagine being accused of

1) being "afraid" of eating insects, literally in fear, an "insectphobe", end of story.

2) most people who profess to disliking it, are actually secretly eating them on the sly.

3) it's "irrational" not to like the idea of eating insects, therefore wrong and bad

How thick does that principal sound to you?

Well from reading your post you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet

Thick enough for you ???

Redneck Reject

Feisar wrote: »

Dunno why but I'm monologuing that in my mind in John Cusack's character's voice in High Fidelity.

I was monologuing using David Attenborough, makes it much more interesting.

beejee

nthclare wrote: »

Well from reading your post you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet

Thick enough for you ???

I do, and you'd do well to address that bee by name, it's Mulfred. The polyamourous triangle between myself, Gnther Goose and Mulfred Bee s as complicated as it is passionate, and we are all gender-fluid, and occasionally species-fluid, depending on the weather and occasion.

Nothing more naarrtrel, boss!

Sardonicat

Redneck Reject wrote: »

I was monologuing using David Attenborough, makes it much more interesting.

Oh yes, that works!
In DA's voice "...withered, circumcised, sallow skin. A lovely little piece."

I think he could get a handy little side line narrating erotic audio books.

wiggle16

Sardonicat wrote: »

Oh yes, that works!
In DA's voice "...withered, circumcised, sallow skin. A lovely little piece."

I think he could get a handy little side line narrating erotic audio books.

*Gets wet*

dvdman1

wakka12 wrote: »

An accepted generalization but why would that make men more homophobic? Its not a strong argument anyway

Imagine kissing sombody your not attracted to? This can be repulsive, and not a very nice thought.
men are labelled more homophobic as the physicality is never far from thoughts, its not a nice thought (for them). I think its a problem with some men that they then confuse this unwanted thought and then go ahead disrespecting that individual which is wrong. Its similar to how they can slag ugly women.

Also men can feel distracted around women they fancy as the physicality is on the mind too. They may act differently and not impartial and give special treatment.

nthclare

beejee wrote: »

I do, and you'd do well to address that bee by name, it's Mulfred. The polyamourous triangle between myself, Gnther Goose and Mulfred Bee s as complicated as it is passionate, and we are all gender-fluid, and occasionally species-fluid, depending on the weather and occasion.

Nothing more naarrtrel, boss!

A mixture of word salad, a bit of fowl who's a bit of a gunt...

And in togetherness you can melt into a fluidic blend of metaphysical ever after and sing it from the rafter's...

I'm all for it dude, you and the loose goose.

Don't fall out and end up having to choke Gnther...

weldoninhio

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Just confirms to me that I can't be affectionate in public as Ireland's still full of homophobes with their visceral reactions and so on.

Hence it's depressing. It's just reality though. Not much I can do about it.

Think I'm going to give boards and social media in general a break tbh. Finding it's just making me feel angry.

Bill Burrs opinion on it.

https://youtu.be/5sxZnE_Rab4

weldoninhio

wakka12 wrote: »

To me being not homophobic means treating gay and straight couples exactly the same. Being repulsed by one gay couple doing something and not the other straight couple doing the same thing is not treating them the same.And yes maybe some of the men in this thread were just against straight PDA's and all PDA in general as well but given the fact we are discussing gay people I think we can take it the majority of those type of replies mean they are repulsed by gay couples kissing not straight ones

Thats absolute bull****. You can treat them the same, even if you are repulsed by their former actions. Would you be in favour of a thought police??

weldoninhio

Floppybits wrote: »

Why is all the focus on hetrosexuals and they way they feel about homosexual behaviour? What about gay people who find hetrosexuals repulsive? I am sure there are gay men and women out there that find hetrosexual PDA's not something they want to see.

Its ok not to be excited about seeing to men or 2 women or a man and a woman kissing or displaying some form of affection as long as you are not trying to stop them. Seeing 2 people eat the face off each other be they straight or gay is not always the best thing to see.

I've literally no idea.

THREAD TITLE: Why are men more homophobic compared to women?

Pauliedragon

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve had gay guys tell me that they find female genitalia and the idea of having sex with women repulsive. It’s okay for them to say that, IMO. By the same token, it’s okay for somebody to find men kissing or having sex repulsive. It’s because it’s contrary to one’s own sexual orientation.

I’m a straight woman and I personally don’t find the thought of same sex intercourse repulsive but everyone is different.

I think both sexes find each others genitals ugly gay or straight. The big guy up there in the heavens had a few pints in him when they were designed.

Reviews and Books Galore

You know there was a study that showed that women get arousal from different types of pornography than men do. As in, lesbian, gay and straight. Yet men seemed to have no arousal to things that they are not ctually attracted to.



As in, men did not 'light up' in the brain area during gay porn but women were way more lighting up in regards to all forms of stimuli involving women or men. Just an interesting little factoid.



And, it ties into my theory about sex nullifying various icky factors of human intimacy. But, in my experience, women are just as homophobic as men and were quite a bit more outspoken about it until intersectionality tied together homophobia with mysogny and there was a push to portray gay men as 'one of the ladies'.

mr_fegelien

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

ToddyDoody

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

Men have sympathy toward strength, women toward weakness. Femininity in men is equated with weakness.

paw patrol

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thats absolute bull****. You can treat them the same, even if you are repulsed by their former actions. Would you be in favour of a thought police??

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough things have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

wakka12

paw patrol wrote: »

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough thing have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

Whats the agenda?

I have no agenda. I dont know what to say really. Obviously we cant change peoples innate feelings of attraction/repulsion but honestly it is just hurtful to read that many men on this thread are 'repulsed' by gay people doing simple everyday romantic things like kissing that millions of straight people publicly engage in daily . Would you not feel offended by that at all if it was said about you?I think its a pretty natural reaction to feel that way. I also think its odd that you feel anything beyond indifference to what another couple do as long as its not inappropriate obviously, Ive never felt repulsion towards seeing a couple kissing, no matter how ugly or horrible looking they were individually and how much Id hate to have sex with them myself, I simply just do not care enough about randoms strangers to feel any emotion anywhere near as strong as repulsion. I dont like knowing that I am making people around me feel so uncomfortable that they feel repulsed when I kiss my boyfriend, I dont want to make people feel that way

freshpopcorn

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

You should just be yourself within reason OP.
If your a bit feminine that's fine but you may clash and not get on with other lads as easy.

chrissb8

Homophobia is for those who can't see past sexuality as just a facet of the overall person.

Gay, straight, Bi etc. It doesn't matter as I'm not going to spend any more time talking about sex than I am anything else. It isn't a defining factor as it is what it is and that's it. No better no worse it is just a preference that hurts no one.

Infact alot of people "repulsed" or uneasy around it should think through the man or woman you see kissing their same sex partner and think how happy they must be to have found someone. Somebody who makes them feel good and someone they can share love and affection with.

People need to stop overthinking it and just see it as the pure thing that it is at its base.

Redneck Reject

I must be oblivious to it all. I've seen guys kiss in a diner and also 2 women. I never thought anything negative about it. It's just a couple who are caught up in the moment. This overthinking of things and mentally imagining it is the fault of those offended by it, not the couples.Seriously,love and respect your fellow human, regardless of the difference in lifestyle choices.

Now as a disclaimer, yes I might or might not have had too much drink when making this post. So viewer discretion is advised.

wiggle16

paw patrol wrote: »

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough thing have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

Everybody seems to know what the "gay agenda" is except the gays themselves.

What is it? Why am I being kept out of the loop?? The big gay loop!?!?

wiggle16

wiggle16 wrote: »

Everybody seems to know what the "gay agenda" is except the gays themselves.

i think it's this

https://cliquekits.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/img_4303.jpg

wiggle16

bluewolf wrote: »

i think it's this

https://cliquekits.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/img_4303.jpg

Oh! To be honest I thought there would be more glitter glue involved.