Dave Chappelle triggers the Woke Left..

Raconteuse

God all mighty, the obsession with using these terms like "woke" and "sjw" means using them in the wrong context no matter how illogical it looks.

How the f would this only trigger "the left"?

Are Jackson's critics and people who get offended by questioning child sexual abuse claims ONLY left-wing or something? Would this offend no right-wing folk?

Ffs - don't be stupid.

H8GHOTI

Stop gaslighting me you snowflake.

super_furry

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?

I swear to god there's just more and more people here who seem to base their entire world view on fringe American politics. Triggering the Lib-tards? The SJWS? The snowflakes? Cultural Marxism? It's nothing but a meaningless collection of buzzwords that you took from weird American websites and personalities.

antix80

I watched half of it and I fell asleep.. not because it was boring but because I was tired. Will watch the rest later.

My impression was.. it's entertaining. I wasn't blown away by the quality of his material this time round. He's framing everything as part of a social commentary on cancellation culture and outrage and #metoo, but he's just doing what many other comedians have done before him which is to push the envelope and say controversial things. Most UK comedians who did this in the past were just quietly sidelined from TV in the 90s and certainly by 2010.

My own take on the matter but there are plenty of right-wing commentators and comedians who use the same irreverent humour who have for years been decrying outrage culture while trolling/triggering "libtards". For the more controversial/less experienced it was career-ending. For the ones who toe the line, they can get a good following online by people in on the joke, even if they get smeared as Nazis or "alt-right". Andrew Klavan, Gavin McInnes, Steven Crowder, even Donald Trump. I have a theory on why Chappelle is getting more support in his fight against PC culture - he's not a "straight white male."

Abel Ruiz

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

The woke left.... oooh edgy.

He's a wanker for what he said but hey everyone's talking about him now so mission accomplished for him.

Maybe you're the wanker?
He's a comedian. Go and fudge yourself!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPBZHpinLs

jimgoose

super_furry wrote: »

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?...

Indeed - a demonstrably strange black man who slept in a large bed with small boys, and we're told it's a "Lefty" thing to think he was probably a paedophile. What an age we live in! :pac:

drunkmonkey

antix80 wrote: »

I have a theory on why Chappelle is getting more support in his fight against PC culture - he's not a "straight white male."

Your probably right, The Diceman would cut through the left like a hot chainsaw through butter but he's too offensive as he's white and toxic.
Chappelle's sketch on the alphabet gang looked like something out of Mary Poppins in comparison.

Eric Cartman

A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed

ciarak7511

I thought they found a disturbing stash of porn, including pictures of nude children but you can correct me if im wrong. Only the boys know exactly what he was up to when he was sharing his bed with them, but if he wasn't ''Michael Jackson'' I don't think anyone would be questioning it. In the least, whatever he was doing was highly inappropriate. I think those two guys actually have a lot to lose if they lied so id be surprised if they completely made it up.

James Brown

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your probably right, The Diceman would cut through the left like a hot chainsaw through butter but he's too offensive as he's white and toxic.
Chappelle's sketch on the alphabet gang looked like something out of Mary Poppins in comparison.

Would the Republican GOP or Conservative Engelicals have Dave over to speak? I think you don't know your the left from your the right.
Who tried to ban rap? Hint: it was before the conservative right had drones using terms like 'woke' and 'SJW' as insults.

This isn't a 'the left' thing. Or do you think only white supremacists on the Alt-Right like Dave?

Diceman was a one trick pony. Once the shock value died so did his career.

super_furry

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed

WTF? The guy has a multi-million dollar Netflix special. Why are you acting like he's been sent to some underground prison.

He's making $60million dollars off this Netflix deal and you're babbling on about the 'good ol days when humor was allowed'.

Ifevera wiztherewas

super_furry wrote:

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?

super_furry wrote:

I swear to god there's just more and more people here who seem to base their entire world view on fringe American politics. Triggering the Lib-tards? The SJWS? The snowflakes? Cultural Marxism? It's nothing but a meaningless collection of buzzwords that you took from weird American websites and personalities.

Great post.

antix80

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Would the Republican GOP or Conservative Engelicals have Dave over to speak? I think you don't know your the left from your the right.
Who tried to ban rap? Hint: it was before the conservative right had drones using terms like 'woke' and 'SJW' as insults.

I think you don't know your liberal from your conservative.

The GOP has many members who don't like bad language. They'd ban the word "damn" if they could.

Ifevera wiztherewas

Abel Ruiz wrote:

Maybe you're the wanker? He's a comedian. Go and fudge yourself!!!!

Ooh even more edgy.

Eric Cartman

super_furry wrote: »

WTF? The guy has a multi-million dollar Netflix special. Why are you acting like he's been sent to some underground prison.

He's making $60million dollars off this Netflix deal and you're babbling on about the 'good ol days when humor was allowed'.

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

James Brown

antix80 wrote: »

I think you don't know your liberal from your conservative.

The GOP has many members who don't like bad language. They'd ban the word "damn" if they could.

That's my point ffs...
Their online lackeys try to spin it like 'the left' are the big censors of free speech. Like Dave would have been allowed on TV if it were left to 'the right'.

simongurnick

Thought it was hilarious. Can't believe people don't understand it is comedy.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

It never stopped. Chris Rock is hugely popular. Benny Hill, not so much. If it's funny it's funny.

Jerichoholic

Thanks Vice, the fact that they are insisting on me not watching it, ensures that I will watch it.

super_furry

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

You really are - you literally said: "A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed," as if he somehow isn’t the biggest and most successful comedian in the world.

Dave Chapelle IS the ‘prevailing trend’. He is the mainstream.

James Brown

super_furry wrote: »

You really are - you literally said: "A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed," as if he somehow isn’t the biggest and most successful comedian in the world.

Dave Chapelle IS the ‘prevailing trend’. He is the mainstream.

It's the propaganda that the left, minorities etc. are Making America Not Great Again, when ironically the censorship and power of the conservative right was and is in charge, they just don't like anyone who disagrees having a say so they sell it like the 'not being racist' lobby has gone too far and infringes on your rights

Abel Ruiz

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

Ooh even more edgy.

Great reply.
Why are you getting narky over what a comedian said?
It was a joke ffs

antix80

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's the propaganda that the left, minorities etc. are Making America Not Great Again, when ironically the censorship and power of the conservative right was and is in charge, they just don't like anyone who disagrees having a say so they sell it like the 'not being racist' lobby has gone too far and infringes on your rights

Few things get cancelled or blacklisted by the conservative right, or am I mistaken? America seems to be ahead of us in terms of free speech and legal rights.

This discussion is about outrage mobs and cancellation culture.

Raconteuse

There are certain things that tend to offend some who are politically to the left, but there is this hugely dishonest narrative that offence is not taken by anyone else over other things.

As said, the conservative right take offence at sexual content, foul language, drug references - all part of Chappelle's show. And he takes the piss out of white people so I'm pretty unconvinced by this sudden proclamation that he's a saviour against the lefties.

I love Dave Chappelle though - he's absolutely hilarious. He's also supposed to be a lovely guy, and he doesn't mean nastiness. I believe the two guys who made the allegations but I understand Dave's point too about trial by witch hunt. Still think he's being a bit harsh on the two lads though. Question them fine, but he doesn't have grounds to call them liars.

If people find it offensive though (and I understand why abuse survivors would) is that not just their opinion? Have they not got a right to the much championed freedom of speech? Is Dave's show or at least the bit in question no longer available?

Are there really people who think there weren't calls for censorship of comedy before the last ten years?

super_furry

I’m similar I love Dave Chapelle, although if I feel that he was at his peak a good decade ago - nothing will ever top the Charlie Murphy stuff. I’ll watch the Netflix shows and enjoy them, even if there are some sketchy jokes.

The point though is that there are people posting here that have such a black and white, left and right view of the world that every single thing is viewed as either an attack on them and their world-view or on the opposing ‘leftie’ side.

It’s such a strange and binary prism through which to view the world and I’m glad that I don’t think that way or see things like that.

Plus I deffo think that Wacko Jacko was up to no good with those kids.

Ifevera wiztherewas

Abel Ruiz wrote:

Great reply. Why are you getting narky over what a comedian said? It was a joke ffs

I wasn't getting narky. I was giving my opinion.

Why are you getting so worked up about defending a comedian? Is Dave your long lost love or something?

drunkmonkey

I hear your a Narky now!

Kermit.de.frog

Meh, Dave Chappelle is not as funny as he use to be.

James Brown

antix80 wrote: »

Few things get cancelled or blacklisted by the conservative right, or am I mistaken? America seems to be ahead of us in terms of free speech and legal rights.

This discussion is about outrage mobs and cancellation culture.

You're mistaken. Here's a few samples.

2003
Dixie Chicks blacklisted after expressing political perspective on George W. Bush
Lead singer of the Dixie Chicks, Natalie Maines, says she is embarrassed that President George W. Bush is from her home state of Texas. Radio stations throughout the country refuse to play the band’s music.

1991
BBC bans 67 songs due to Gulf War
The BBC was at it again when they banned 67 pop songs from the radio in 1991 because of the Persian Gulf War. These songs were anticipated to offend and upset the public at this sensitive period in time. They included “In the Air Tonight” by Phil Collins, “Walk Like an Egyptian” by the Bangles, Cher’s “Bang, Bang,” Eric Clapton’s “I Shot the Sheriff” and ironically “Give Peace a Chance” and “Imagine” by John Lennon. TV programs were also taken off the air or postponed, ever demonstrating the lengths the media will go to keep people happy, and more importantly, quiet.

1984
National PTA encourages record companies to acknowledge explicit content
The National Parent Teachers Organization (National PTA) adopts a resolution to encourage record companies to rate music according to the amount of violence, sex, profanity, or vulgarity it contains, and to include this rating on the covers of albums.

1965
Cleveland bans rock concerts`
The mayor of Cleveland bans all rock concerts after the Rolling Stones perform in the city. The mayor states that “such groups do not add to the community’s culture or entertainment.”
Radio stations refuse to play “I Can’t (Get No Satisfaction)”
Many radio stations refuse to play the Rolling Stones’ song “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction,” because it is considered sexually suggestive.

1956
Nat King Cole assaulted
During a performance by Nat King Cole, members of the White Citizen’s Council of Birmingham, Alabama, jump on stage and assault Cole. The group claims that they are protecting young teen girls and that black musicians are part of a plot to “mongrelize” America by bringing out an animalism in people through the use of heavy beats in their music.

1952
The Weavers blacklisted
The Weavers, a folk band, are blacklisted because of their leftist political beliefs. The group loses its recording contract and its popularity declines.

https://ncac.org/resource/music-censorship-in-america-an-interactive-timeline

It's a right wing driven agenda to play 'the left' as the great censor. The right want the rise in communication from minority groups silenced and anyone who speaks up for them. They can't stop social media so they change the narrative. Trump the alleged billionaire is for the working man, the leftist socialist are out to take away your rights.

Comedy:

From 1967 to 1969, Tommy and Dick Smothers challenged the censors at CBS and the political establishment who tried to tame their wildly popular -- and politically left-leaning -- show, The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. The brothers lost their show, but later won a battle in court.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130569467

In modern times, Lenny Bruce’s legacy is that of a martyr for his suffering at the hands of those who believed his stand-up comedy was too “obscene” for its time.
http://cbldf.org/about-us/case-files/obscenity-case-files/people-v-bruce-the-lenny-bruce-trial/

On this all new episode of :ICON, we delve into the life and legacy of Richard Pryor — how he came up through the brothels of Peoria, Illinois, performed on the Ed Sullivan Show, got banned by the networks, and became embroiled in a pattern of self-destruction that threatened his life.
https://www.google.com/search?q=richard+pryor+banned&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA852CA852&oq=richard+pryor+banned&aqs=chrome..69i57.5748j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Raconteuse

FREE SPEEEEEECH!!!

(As long as it's speech I like).