Dave Chappelle triggers the Woke Left..

Raconteuse

antix80 wrote: »

I watched half of it and I fell asleep.. not because it was boring but because I was tired. Will watch the rest later.

My impression was.. it's entertaining. I wasn't blown away by the quality of his material this time round. He's framing everything as part of a social commentary on cancellation culture and outrage and #metoo, but he's just doing what many other comedians have done before him which is to push the envelope and say controversial things. Most UK comedians who did this in the past were just quietly sidelined from TV in the 90s and certainly by 2010.

My own take on the matter but there are plenty of right-wing commentators and comedians who use the same irreverent humour who have for years been decrying outrage culture while trolling/triggering "libtards". For the more controversial/less experienced it was career-ending. For the ones who toe the line, they can get a good following online by people in on the joke, even if they get smeared as Nazis or "alt-right". Andrew Klavan, Gavin McInnes, Steven Crowder, even Donald Trump. I have a theory on why Chappelle is getting more support in his fight against PC culture - he's not a "straight white male."

Crowder and McInnes - while I don't disagree with them all the time - seem to revel in being arseholes though. Whereas Chappelle is supposed to be a really decent skin.

Frankie Boyle revels in being an arsehole too. Jimmy Carr - comes across as very pleasant and polite in interviews. He also respects the right of people to take offence, without attacking them. The harshest thing he'll say is "Best you don't come to my show."

I think you're right that Chappelle may get away with more than a white dude would, but I love that Chappelle's politics are totally in the centre.

antix80

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You're mistaken. Here's a few samples.

Thanks for the detailed response.. However, the metoo/outrage culture that Chappelle and most of the rightwingers are referring to is of this decade and mainly refers to destroying someone's career based on old jokes/material/quotes taken out of context/behaviour not acceptable today that was the norm years ago.

The dixie chicks made a decision to speak their political opinion and attack the fairly popular president essentially during wartime. People chose not to listen to them on that basis. It's not clever to attack your supporters.

An example of outrage culture would be if the dixie chicks were nominated for a music award that people wanted a person of colour to win, so reporters scoured through decades of quotes and history and song lyrics, before deciding that dixie is a racial term which harks back to the segregation era. Meanwhile the new york times found a witness willing to anonymously accuse them of using racist language. Twitter outraged.

James Brown

antix80 wrote: »

Thanks for the detailed response.. However, the metoo/outrage culture that Chappelle and most of the rightwingers are referring to is of this decade and mainly refers to destroying someone's career based on old jokes/material/quotes taken out of context/behaviour not acceptable today that was the norm years ago.

The dixie chicks made a decision to speak their political opinion and attack the fairly popular president essentially during wartime. People chose not to listen to them on that basis. It's not clever to attack your supporters.

An example of outrage culture would be if the dixie chicks were nominated for a music award that people wanted a person of colour to win, so reporters scoured through decades of quotes and history and song lyrics, before deciding that dixie is a racial term which harks back to the segregation era. Meanwhile the new york times found a witness willing to anonymously accuse them of using racist language. Twitter outraged.

You are being selective. Keeping it about groups that may, or you've been told, are out to censor with abandon.
Chappelle is a comedian. As much as he should be taken as such let's not go the other way and make him a champion of the Right.
These are topics, subjects. Everybody has a valid opinion even if they might be left politically. Making it 'the left' is the censorship here. You are pushing that whether you realise it or not. I'm sure many right wing conservatives don't like rape or pedophilia jokes. I showed that for many decades we've had censorship and Chappelle would be finished if he tried to pull such jokes back when I assume America was Great.
People are finally being called out, it's not that Harvey Weinstein only start molesting actresses in recent years or Bill Cosby just start getting rapey under the Obama administration.
The subtext is, censorship on minorities, women and others under the guise of 'free speech'. You're buying into the idea that women finally having a voice and calling out perverts is censoring the perverts. Think about that. The big move is to ensure people will keep their mouth shut before they speak up or complain about anything.
Who deserves what is on the public or a judge to decide. I've not seen the Chappelle special so I can't comment specifically on Dave, but I am a fan.
'Outrage culture' these Americanisms are terms of censorship. By using 'Outrage culture' you are taking away the validity of people to be genuinely outraged.
'Twitter outraged', does this include Trump the biggest cry baby on the entire network? You are advocating the censorship as perpetrated by Fox and friends whether you know it or not.

dhaughton99

Reminds me to watch Eddie Murphys Raw later.

James Brown

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Reminds me to watch Eddie Murphys Raw later.

Delirious holds up better.

One eyed Jack

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The woke left? How about some 'people' have problems with Dave? Why has it always got to be the brainwashing terms?
Before the use of socially acceptable censorship like calling people names for having a particular view it was the right wing conservatives and church goers tried to ban things and made careers out of it. 'Explicit lyrics' 'video games lead to violence' 'porn leads to violence'. Funny how it's allegedly flipped.

It’s really not funny how it’s flipped at all. I know after you made the above post that you said you hadn’t seen the latest show, but the style of his comedy hasn’t changed. His targets have. It’s like he got a slap on the wrist from one of these target groups, and now he’s decided to go after them. If anyone’s gotten triggered here it’s Chapelle, and his new audiences are loving it.

I was never a Chapelle fan in the first place, never got the fawning over him, but his comment

about being in Atlanta specifically, so he had to be careful so as not to offend all the gay men in the audience with their wives

...

ILoveYourVibes

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Poor old Dave is in trouble with the lefties, not sure if you've seen his new stand up show on Netflix Sticks & Stones but it's laugh out loud funny and worth checking out to draw your own conclusions. I think he nailed a few topical subjects.

The woke media say you should skip it https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOkypzFfHo

Dave Chappelle under fire for discrediting Michael Jackson accusers in Netflix special
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/aug/28/dave-chappelle-under-fire-for-discrediting-michael-jackson-accusers-in-netflix-special

Shrug. I disagree with him about Michael Jackson etc. I think he was a peado but that is his judgement etc.

Hmm he says things i would never say. But there you go ..he probably says things much funnier than i would ever say too.

Comedians can be graceless at times. Its just the environment they are in. Its the type of people they hang out with and talk to.

Shrug. I prefer when commedians are polite. But that is just my taste.

I wouldn't walk out of a performance of Chapelles etc. I might have to sit very uncomfortably though parts of it though.:o

suicide_circus

the "liberal left", for the want of a better term, is now the establishment in media, communications, social and corporate life. It didn't used to be but now it is. It is therefore absolutely inevitable that any real biting comedy and satire is going to come from the other end of the spectrum. There's no way round it.

Outlaw Pete

Seen it last night, it was mostly stuff from his recent tour (aside from the Juicy Smulea bit). If anything I think he sanitized some of it. I'll give the gig a relisten later.

For me Dave's a genius and I love that he neither panders to the right or left and is not afraid to offend either side either. Often he will set the crowd up by pretending to have an opinion, which invariably will be met with cheers and whoops, only for him to then say something which will totally infruiate the same people.

Nobody has a right not to be offended but they do have the right to choose what to watch or not and so I guess they can just no longer view his stuff if they feel so strongly about it.

Overheal

Good point raised: people can be offended by him, but he’s no elected official, people aren’t at risk of being affected by his world view.

James Brown

suicide_circus wrote: »

the "liberal left", for the want of a better term, is now the establishment in media, communications, social and corporate life. It didn't used to be but now it is. It is therefore absolutely inevitable that any real biting comedy and satire is going to come from the other end of the spectrum. There's no way round it.

Elements of the right sold out to Trump and other spin merchants. They need attack the left because everyday people are calling them out, but you can't attack the public, you need create a box to claim people you don't agree with belong to.

On a smaller scale. We'd a bus route set for cancellation. People went from door to door with a petition. The local politician who's party was pushing for the cancellation cited several calls from terrified pensioners having strangers knocking on their doors etc. When in reality it was a group of local pensioners bringing around the petition.
The goal was to make anyone going against the politician seem like they were thugs harassing people, so why would you side with them or sign their petition?
If somebody doesn't agree with you call them 'woke', 'permanently outraged' etc etc. It's it's own form of censorship.

The same kind of people are still outraged by the same kind of things.
If you think there's no Mike Pence style evangelical with any problems with Dave Chappelle you'd be wrong.

I mean nobody from 'the left' has contacted me to tell me to be outraged, but I'll keep you posted when and if I get the call.

suicide_circus

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Elements of the right sold out to Trump and other spin merchants. They need attack the left because everyday people are calling them out, but you can't attack the public, you need create a box to claim people you don't agree with belong to.

On a smaller scale. We'd a bus route set for cancellation. People went from door to door with a petition. The local politician who's party was pushing for the cancellation cited several calls from terrified pensioners having strangers knocking on their doors etc. When in reality it was a group of local pensioners bringing around the petition.
The goal was to make anyone going against the politician seem like they were thugs harassing people, so why would you side with them or sign their petition?
If somebody doesn't agree with you call them 'woke', 'permanently outraged' etc etc. It's it's own form of censorship.

The same kind of people are still outraged by the same kind of things.
If you think there's no Mike Pence style evangelical with any problems with Dave Chappelle you'd be wrong.

umm i dont think you addressed the point i made

hetuzozaho

Haven't gotten around to the latest will do as I enjoy Chapelle's stuff.

He doesn't come across how some in this thread seem to be talking about him though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry1x58cErHs

Jerichoholic

It's good. Nothing to be offended by unless you crave the attention of being offended. As he said in that show, it's your fault if you are, you clicked on my face to watch it.

Raconteuse

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Seen it last night, it was mostly stuff from his recent tour (aside from the Juicy Smulea bit). If anything I think he sanitized some of it. I'll give the gig a relisten later.

For me Dave's a genius and I love that he neither panders to the right or left and is not afraid to offend either side either. Often he will set the crowd up by pretending to have an opinion, which invariably will be met with cheers and whoops, only for him to then say something which will totally infruiate the same people.

Nobody has a right not to be offended but they do have the right to choose what to watch or not and so I guess they can just no longer view his stuff if they feel so strongly about it.

They should be able to express that they found it offensive too. I love Dave - my favourite comedian if I had to pick just one, but freedom of speech should go both ways.

Outlaw Pete

Raconteuse wrote: »

They should be able to express that they found it offensive too.

Never said nor suggested otherwise.

The issue I have is with those that feel he should apologise (or worse) and are labelling him transphobic and misogynistic.

The same mob no doubt that went after Kevin Hart about decade old tweets which they had taken totally out of context.

Indeed Dave cited that during his show as he feels Kevin was done something of a disservice and that he should never have apologised. I agree, he shouldn't, as when he apologised the reaction was almost worse.

Intention is everything and no way either are out looking to offend people. Bernard Manning they are not.

hetuzozaho

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The same mob no doubt that went after Kevin Hart about decade old tweets which they had taken totally out of context.

Is one of these the dollhouse tweet?

antix80

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

. Intention is everything and no way either are out looking to offend people. Bernard Manning they are not.

Chappelle doesn't seem to believe transwomen are real women.. Isn't that a problem?

And Bernard Manning said he wasn't racist or homophobic, and what he said on stage is just an act.

So.. I know Bernard doesn't get to say "this is an f you to cancellation culture and #metoo" but in his time it was prob an FU to civilised society and by the end of his time it was prob an FU to PC culture. As in "political correctness gone mad".. Not we have political correctness gone dangerously schizophrenic and weaponised.

Ironicname

antix80 wrote:

Chappelle doesn't seem to believe transwomen are real women.. Isn't that a problem?

No. It's his belief.

c.p.w.g.w

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Then Mother Theresa was one too in that case, geez.

She also reused needles and stole a **** tonne of money

Akrasia

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Then Mother Theresa was one too in that case, geez.

Mother Theresa was much worse than Michael Jackson. Much Much worse

listermint

Daves hilarious watching him years.

But what I will say is he would take the absolute piss out of the OP for his own sweeping generalisations


Any fool who thinks 'the left' is a thing or 'pc culture' is a thing is a fool. The reality is you put outlier ranty people from the internet on a pedestal then ****e media corporations try to amplify it because it winds up people like the OP.

This isn't a general thing normal people dont subscribe to this ****e.

So ha on you OP for your crap reading of reality.

Outlaw Pete

antix80 wrote: »

Chappelle doesn't seem to believe transwomen are real women.. Isn't that a problem?

Hhhm... not sure what you mean. He's open to someone feeling they have been born in the wrong body, isn't that enough? He was just having fun with it and it is funny, no matter what some will say. What trans folk go through might not be but neither is the racism some black people have gone through, or a whole host of other difficult things which we as a society have no issue with being the topic of a joke.

And Bernard Manning said he wasn't racist or homophobic, and what he said on stage is just an act.

Yes, but saying something to deliberately insult someone is much different than merely having a group of people as the subject of a joke. Jo Brand's recent battery acid milkshaking 'joke' for example is a joke deliberately meant to belittle and insult. I just didn't see (and never see) that sort of meanspirtedness in Chappelle's material.

So.. I know Bernard doesn't get to say "this is an f you to cancellation culture and #metoo" but in his time it was prob an FU to civilised society and by the end of his time it was prob an FU to PC culture. As in "political correctness gone mad".. Not we have political correctness gone dangerously schizophrenic and weaponised.

But there are lots of liberal comedians that make jokes that offend people who don't align with their political outlook. They dish it out all the time themselves. How many times have liberal comics suggested American conservatives are all inbred hicks for example.

listermint

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hhhm... not sure what you mean. He's open to someone feeling they have been born in the wrong body, isn't that enough? He was just having fun with it and it is funny, no matter what some will say. What trans folk go through might not be but neither is the racism some black people have gone through, or a whole host of other difficult things which we as a society have no issue with being the topic of a joke.



Yes, but saying something to deliberately insult someone is much different than merely having a group of people as the subject of a joke. Jo Brand's recent battery acid milkshaking 'joke' for example is a joke deliberately meant to belittle. I just didn't see (and never see) that sort of meanspirtedness in Chappelle's material.



But there are lots of liberal comedians that make jokes that offend people who don't agree with their politics. They dish it out all the time themselves. How many times have liberal comics suggested American conservatives are all inbred hicks for example.

Don't worry chapelle would have a pop at you two. So I wouldn't bother claiming him for yourself.

He'd be all over yourself

antix80

Akrasia wrote: »

Mother Theresa was much worse than Michael Jackson. Much Much worse

Stupid comment

c.p.w.g.w

antix80 wrote: »

Stupid comment

Potentially killed thousands by spreading diseases by washing needles...instead of only using them once... While she was a millionaire pretty much

Outlaw Pete

listermint wrote: »

Don't worry chapelle would have a pop at you two. So I wouldn't bother claiming him for yourself.

Where did I "claim" Chappelle for myself??

You'd do well to read a thread thoroughly before jumping on and spouting utter scutter:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I love that he neither panders to the right or left and is not afraid to offend either side either. Often he will set the crowd up by pretending to have an opinion, which invariably will be met with cheers and whoops, only for him to then say something which will totally infuriate the same people.

kowloon

suicide_circus wrote: »

the "liberal left", for the want of a better term, is now the establishment in media, communications, social and corporate life. It didn't used to be but now it is. It is therefore absolutely inevitable that any real biting comedy and satire is going to come from the other end of the spectrum. There's no way round it.

Is it though? This frequently comes up when people talk about US news only for it to be pointed out that the most popular mainstream news channel is Fox.
If there's a huge demand from a section of the public someone will try and profit from it, provided it's legal (sometimes when it's not).

Akrasia

antix80 wrote: »

Stupid comment

Mother Theresa made her life’s work the promotion of suffering and preventable death in the name of self promotion and the virtue of suffering. She was a monster

Instead of trying to cure sick people, she built a place for them to die from curable illnesses so she could look like she is caring for them

Underground

Thoroughly enjoyed it. I remember on his last show he mentioned how he has "served his time" or something to that effect, he was out in the cold for over a decade so the shackles seem to be off since he's come back. He's clearly not too concerned about offending anyone, which makes for great comedy.