Dave Chappelle triggers the Woke Left..

Tony EH

antix80 wrote: »

Ah ok.. I see what's happened.

I read the op and took it as a discussion of a supposedly edgy routine as a response to outrage culture.

Other people (you included) read the op and took it as an invitation to moan about what the op meant by certain words.

And when I returned to the discussion I thought you couldn't see the similarities between Chappelle's response to outrage culture and the so-called "Alt-right"'s similar response.. and I thought you were being deliberately petty trying to put people down by poking holes in the language they were using. Which is a crappy way of trying to win an argument. But I was wrong, your discussion never went beyond poking holes in the language people were using.

So.. where do we go from there. How about "Tony EH, well done on winning the dictionary owner of the year award. you are best with all the language." However, it's not a discussion that interests me. Maybe start your own thread on modern-US political word usage you don't like? And maybe I'll start one on people who wanted to discuss Chappelle's recent netflix show?

Dig upwards, FFS.

Brian?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed

So this type of humour isn’t allowed in 2019?


Don’t be silly This was made in 2019.

antix80

Tony EH wrote: »

Dig upwards, FFS.

No seriously, I just skimmed the thread and was thinking "isn't this thread about Dave Chappelle, who is this jackass trying to stifle discussion by moaning about word usage." I see now from the first page that you weren't the first to take this slant on the discussion. But to derail a thread with garbage like the following is just annoying for everyone IMO.

Tony EH wrote:

I keep having to say this again and again.

THERE IS NO LEFT IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

Anyway.. I enjoyed the show. I might take it to the "Entertainment - Television" forum where people aren't so "woke".

Brian?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

When did it stop?

Tony EH

antix80 wrote: »

No seriously, I just skimmed the thread and was thinking "isn't this thread about Dave Chappelle, who is this jackass trying to stifle discussion by moaning about word usage." I see now from the first page that you weren't the first to take this slant on the discussion. But to derail a thread with garbage like the following is just annoying for everyone IMO.

Anyway.. I enjoyed the show. I might take it to the "Entertainment - Television" forum where people aren't so "woke".

The more you type, the more you're demonstrating to everyone that:

a. you didn't understand the point of the thread

and

b. you can't grasp simple points that other people on the thread are making.

antix80

a. I think the op was pretty clear on the point of the thread.
b. Your posts are all over the place

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Tony EH wrote: »

The more you type, the more you're demonstrating to everyone that:

a. you didn't understand the point of the thread

and

b. you can't grasp simple points that other people on the thread are making.

I don’t fully understand your point either, except as a “no true Scotsman” argument.

Chappelle does in fact have a scatter gun approach but he is also, in general, going after the outrage and me-too movement. He’s clear at the start about that.

It’s hit and miss of course. The hounding of Kevin Hart was appalling and his attacks on that are good and genuine, but the Jackson stuff felt flat to me.

Tony EH

antix80 wrote: »

a. I think the op was pretty clear on the point of the thread.
b. Your posts are all over the place

READ THE THREAD PROPERLY.

Tony EH

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I don’t fully understand your point either, except as a “no true Scotsman” argument.

Chappelle does in fact have a scatter gun approach but he is also, in general, going after the outrage and me-too movement. He’s clear at the start about that.

It’s hit and miss of course. The hounding of Kevin Hart was appalling and his attacks on that are good and genuine, but the Jackson stuff felt flat to me.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111113945&postcount=106

I can't be clearer.

This isn't difficult to understand.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Tony EH wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111113945&postcount=106

I can't be clearer.

This isn't difficult to understand.

Stop linking to your posts, we can read them. We have read them.

antix80

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Stop linking to your posts, we can read them. We have read them.

Tony went off-topic a bit.. hence the confusion.

Tony EH

Jesus, this place is surreal sometimes.

Ifevera wiztherewas

Tony EH wrote:

Jesus, this place is surreal sometimes.

Plenty of headbangers going around Tony

James Brown

suicide_circus wrote: »

umm i dont think you addressed the point i made

I did. In short nothing has changed except the powerful and ignorant becoming fearful due to the rise in social media giving many a voice so they spin it like it's changed. There has been harsh censorship for generations and complaining about not liking rape friendly jokes isn't a patch on it regardless of the hype used to make it seem like a movement. Some people don't like certain jokes, nobody is arresting Dave or talking about hanging him.

IMO, it's making little of the #metoo for example, 'aw another whinger claiming rape' and so on. Calling people 'woke' or using 'outrage culture' is censorship in itself.

James Brown

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Never said nor suggested otherwise.

The issue I have is with those that feel he should apologise (or worse) and are labelling him transphobic and misogynistic.

The same mob no doubt that went after Kevin Hart about decade old tweets which they had taken totally out of context.

Indeed Dave cited that during his show as he feels Kevin was done something of a disservice and that he should never have apologised. I agree, he shouldn't, as when he apologised the reaction was almost worse.

Intention is everything and no way either are out looking to offend people. Bernard Manning they are not.

You are censoring people right there. You are taking away an individuals right to not like something by inferring they are merely part of a mob.
Exactly, Bernard Manning. Back in the 70's he was controversial so nothing has changed. It's not your place to decide who is or isn't legitimately offended. Let them be offended. We need vote for or against any laws for sure, other wise it's just spin.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's a right wing driven agenda to play 'the left' as the great censor. The right want the rise in communication from minority groups silenced and anyone who speaks up for them. They can't stop social media so they change the narrative. Trump the alleged billionaire is for the working man, the leftist socialist are out to take away your rights.
Comedy:

You went back to 1952 there and the latest was 1992. Nobody is really denying here that there is a right wing historically hostile to free speech, it would be fairly stupid to do that.

On the other hand free speech is under attack from left wing sources as well, and in fact belief in free speech as an absolute value has dropped amongst millennials and the next generation.

Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to do college gigs for instance.

Abel Ruiz

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

Plenty of headbangers going around Tony

And your right up there.
Delighted Dave got under your skin.
I love dave as you said

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

Plenty of headbangers going around Tony

Generalised ad hominem, Ifevera.

Ifevera wiztherewas

Abel Ruiz wrote:

And your right up there. Delighted Dave got under your skin. I love dave as you said

:pac: :pac: :pac: devastated here...

James Brown

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You went back to 1952 there and the latest was 1992. Nobody is really denying here that there is a right wing historically hostile to free speech, it would be fairly stupid to do that.

On the other hand free speech is under attack from left wing sources as well, and in fact belief in free speech as an absolute value has dropped amongst millennials and the next generation.

Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to do college gigs for instance.

A person made a comment that the Right don't really ban anything. He only later specified he was talking about very recently.

The way I see it is we had generations of conservative right wing Christians censoring everything heavily. It's loosened over the years. Let's not forget in Texas they are literally re-writing their history books to infer the founding fathers admired Moses. So some serious censorship still takes place from the right.
With the advent of social media everyone has a voice. There have been many institutionally bad things which are rightfully called out. Yes, it goes too far in places but I would suggest after generations of it being the other way there will be a turbulent period until it settles hopefully somewhere in the middle.
As much as there is an element of over kill, there is also an element of dismissing all criticism as the right try to hold on to the status quo.

Overheal

antix80 wrote: »

Super Woke Tony

(Of course there’s a left in American politics, even if there are few or no seats in elected office for it)

sligeach

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Poor old Dave is in trouble with the lefties, not sure if you've seen his new stand up show on Netflix Sticks & Stones but it's laugh out loud funny and worth checking out to draw your own conclusions. I think he nailed a few topical subjects.

The woke media say you should skip it https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones

Dave Chappelle under fire for discrediting Michael Jackson accusers in Netflix special
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/aug/28/dave-chappelle-under-fire-for-discrediting-michael-jackson-accusers-in-netflix-special

Vice, really, that trash site? Who owns them? HBO, gee now, why would they say to skip it? And the Guardian only prints stories bashing Michael Jackson.

Wade Robson and James Safechuck are proven liars. Leaving Neverland was debunked long ago, the media are only interested in negative Michael Jackson stories. It was no different when he was alive, only now they can say what they like without fear of litigation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXOfz1YkWeA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CXOfz1YkWeA

This week, Missy Elliott received The Michael Jackson Vanguard Award at the MTV Music Awards. MTV didn't call it that in much of its promotion but Missy Elliott made sure to call it by its proper title and the celebrities on the red carpet don't believe he's guilty, with one saying "Wade Robson is a piece of $h*t and a liar".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O23OoxUPJog

https://youtube.com/watch?v=O23OoxUPJog

James Brown

I can't stand Vice myself. Cheap, lazy condescending crapola.

buried

Was actually going to cancel me Netflix account until I heard about all this noise last night.














I think I'll still cancel it anyways.

sligeach

Overheal wrote: »

Dave’s hilarious. I don’t particularly like him belittling rape much less child molestation and pedophilia but he’s an edgelord. Still on my watchlist.

I don't think he's "belittling rape much less child molestation and pedophilia". He's calling Wade Robson and James Safechuck out for the proven liars that they are.

James Brown

Just to note it's very ironic how all these supposed anti-outrage threads pop up giving out about the giving out

And we don't see, 'Chappelle crossed the line and I'm outraged' thread or 'Fair play to your wan Greta getting in the boat' thread.

drunkmonkey

Greta outrages me just by looking at her, reminds me of some evil kid from a movie. What an evil head on her.

mariaalice

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=christoper+lasch+youtube#id=13&vid=aa37c71ca62a65dc7879864f0e673681&actio











Or any of the Zero books videos on youtube.

Raconteuse

sligeach wrote: »

I don't think he's "belittling rape much less child molestation and pedophilia". He's calling Wade Robson and James Safechuck out for the proven liars that they are.

They're not proven liars - you just have a bizarre inability to view Michael Jackson as possibly capable of wrongdoing.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Greta outrages me just by looking at her, reminds me of some evil kid from a movie. What an evil head on her.

The classy insults of an autistic teenager continue.

Ifevera wiztherewas

I still don't believe the world is fuked lads despite all the evidence to the contrary. There's​ still plenty of well adjusted people out there with plenty of decency in them.