Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

lawrencesummers

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I've no idea what the insuance rant above has to do with anything but I'll give you a quick few points as to why

Older cars are more likely to be involved in crashes/tips/ damage. Loaded premium.
Younger drivers have less experience. Loaded premium.
Younger drivers have less ncd. Loaded premium.
Younger drivers are more likely to have younger friends in a car. Loaded premium.

I'll tell you why that last one is important. Serious injury, disfigurement, loss of limb, head injury, paraplegic etc... have serious consequences, not just now but for future care that can run for decades. Settlements can run to 10s of millions for rest of life care and some stupid young prat with a 2k car and 4 mate in it can cost 50+ million for one 50-60kph crash that could at first seem innocuous.

So the, it's easy to imagine a 2k car with a 3k premium but it's even easier to look at reality and see that young drivers are heavily weighted because of their circumstances, experience and their potential risk.

It's an astonishingly neglectful comment to make in a thread like this.


And for the rest of the 'it's my understanding That' commentors, insurance companies will pay out in full. No matter what happens the car between now and it's extraction from the car park. They date of loss is 30 August 2019. You are insured for the incident and it's surrounds from that incident. Everything else is contributory to the incident. You can of course change your insurance to another car. Preposterous that anyone would suggest otherwise.

For such a massive claims culture in this country, it is absolutely abhorrent how little people actually know or understand about insurance.

Cool story. Got nothing to do with this though. Ain’t no kids or paraplegics around.

pwurple

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

So the story on Reddit is that the car was on fire outside the shopping centre and the woman drove it in and proceeded to go to fecking Tesco customer service to get help? Imagine being that thick? :eek:

I saw that too, that the car was smoking and they came into the car park thinking there would be fire extinguishers there. (Not the Tesco service desk)

I would have gone to the petrol station, but I can imagine the person was panicking and just wanted to get stopped and off the road, dove into the nearest place they saw.

Caranica

pwurple wrote: »

I saw that too, that the car was smoking and they came into the car park thinking there would be fire extinguishers there. (Not the Tesco service desk)

I would have gone to the petrol station, but I can imagine the person was panicking and just wanted to get stopped and off the road, dove into the nearest place they saw.

Bring a car on fire into a petrol station????? Open space and call 999. Even a surface car park with nothing around would do.

I know it was almost certainly not intentional but I would like to see the driver charged if this was the case and they drove a car that was on fire into an enclosed space. Reckless endangerment or something like that.

um7y1h83ge06nx

If even for her own sake, who knows how fast the car would have went up. She could have just stopped the car and abandoned it in the middle of a lane, I think most would understand that it's an emergency.

Sharp MZ700

Seamus Damp Scuba wrote: »

If even for her own sake, who knows how fast the car would have went up. She could have just stopped the car and abandoned it in the middle of a lane, I think most would understand that it's an emergency.

Exactly, or up on a footpath. "I'm on fire, better endanger more". Lucky woman no one was killed, imagine having to live with that.

Be right back

pwurple wrote: »

I saw that too, that the car was smoking and they came into the car park thinking there would be fire extinguishers there. (Not the Tesco service desk)

I would have gone to the petrol station, but I can imagine the person was panicking and just wanted to get stopped and off the road, dove into the nearest place they saw.

I heard that they parked the car in the car park and saw it was on fire when they came back to go home.

Disagree with you about the petrol station idea. May have caused a huge explosion in the village centre.

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

I saw that too, that the car was smoking and they came into the car park thinking there would be fire extinguishers there. (Not the Tesco service desk)

I would have gone to the petrol station, but I can imagine the person was panicking and just wanted to get stopped and off the road, dove into the nearest place they saw.

Yes, driving a potential fire bomb to a place storing thousands of gallons of fuel, top of the class. Don't need Al Queada at all when normal people think it's ok to do that.

pwurple

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yes, driving a potential fire bomb to a place storing thousands of gallons of fuel, top of the class. Don't need Al Queada at all when normal people think it's ok to do that.

Lol. Yes, a car is a bomb.

I've had two cars go on fire in my driving experience, and that's where I head to.


Petrol is stored in protected sumps underground, and petrol stations are my go-to spot for a fire extinguisher for cars, because they are required to have exactly the right equipment there for putting out a fire in a car. Pop it up on the footpath outside, grab the right gear, done

Hey presto - didn't burn down a building.

j8wk2feszrnpao

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yes, driving a potential fire bomb to a place storing thousands of gallons of fuel, top of the class. Don't need Al Queada at all when normal people think it's ok to do that.

I'm guessing they meant into the car wash, or by the car wash?
Either way, I don't get the mentality of seeing your car emitting smoke and not just pulling over on the road itself. Taking it into the car park makes no sense; that person has cause so much hardship for the people who parked/work in the Shopping Center.

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

Lol. Yes, a car is a bomb.

I've had two cars go on fire in my driving experience, and that's where I head to.


Petrol is stored in protected sumps underground, and petrol stations are my go-to spot for a fire extinguisher for cars, because they are required to have exactly the right equipment there for putting out a fire in a car. Pop it up on the footpath outside, grab the right gear, done

Hey presto - didn't burn down a building.

Good for you, disaster area. I guess all the no smoking and no naked flames signs around petrol stations are needless then?

What happens when you catch fire and you're not near a filling station? You seem to be awfully confident you're going to make it to one in one piece?

pwurple

whisky_galore wrote: »

Good for you, disaster area. I guess all the no smoking and no naked flames signs around petrol stations are needless then?

:pac: That's still not what I said. You seem to be assuming that I said drive it over to the petrol pump and start pouring petrol all over it. :pac::pac::pac:

What I actually said, was park it outside and get the correct equipment.


Put the small fire out as quickly as possible. Before it becomes a furnace. That's what my fire training has taught me. Put it out quick.

The approach of walking away and letting it develop is not best practice in my experience, but hey, maybe your training is different.

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

:pac: That's still not what I said. You seem to be assuming that I said drive it over to the petrol pump and start pouring petrol all over it. :pac::pac::pac:

What I actually said, was park it outside and get the correct equipment.


Put the small fire out as quickly as possible. Before it becomes a furnace. That's what my fire training has taught me. Put it out quick.

The approach of walking away and letting it develop is not best practice in my experience, but hey, maybe your training is different.

So you had training on how to deal with a fire, specifically a car fire?

What happens 10 km from nearest filling station, you drive it all the way there?

bucketybuck

pwurple wrote: »

:pac: That's still not what I said. You seem to be assuming that I said drive it over to the petrol pump and start pouring petrol all over it. :pac::pac::pac:

What I actually said, was park it outside and get the correct equipment.


Put the small fire out as quickly as possible. Before it becomes a furnace. That's what my fire training has taught me. Put it out quick.

The approach of walking away and letting it develop is not best practice in my experience, but hey, maybe your training is different.

Your approach will lead to some dumb idiot trying to drive their burning car to the nearest fire extinguisher and getting caught inside when it develops far quicker than expected.

The approach of walking away from the burning thing is indeed best practice and you would want to be pretty ****ing stupid to think otherwise.

pwurple

whisky_galore wrote: »

So you had training on how to deal with a fire, specifically a car fire?

What happens 10 km from nearest filling station, you drive it all the way there?

Sure, I work in chemical plants and building sites. Elf and safety for anyone on sites like that is putting out vehicle fires etc. What's your training?

Is douglas filling station 10km away, or is it right fecking there?

bucketybuck

pwurple wrote: »

Sure, I work in chemical plants and building sites.

In the canteen?

Padre_Pio

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your approach will lead to some dumb idiot trying to drive their burning car to the nearest fire extinguisher and getting caught inside when it develops far quicker than expected.

The approach of walking away from the burning thing is indeed best practice and you would want to be pretty ****ing stupid to think otherwise.

I agree with this. Park it somewhere open, get people out and call the professionals.

The last thing you need is some fool tackling a fire with a sh*tty 10 year old extinguisher.
Fire extinguishers are mainly useless anyways as most people haven't a notion how they work.

I've done 3 fire safety courses in 3 jobs and only once actually used an extinguisher.

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

Sure, I work in chemical plants and building sites. Elf and safety for anyone on sites like that is putting out vehicle fires etc. What's your training?

Is douglas filling station 10km away, or is it right fecking there?

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

So you drive around Douglas every day in circles?

Be right back

pwurple wrote: »

Sure, I work in chemical plants and building sites. Elf and safety for anyone on sites like that is putting out vehicle fires etc. What's your training?

Is douglas filling station 10km away, or is it right fecking there?

Just say, if you were driving on the motorway and the engine caught fire, what would you do then?

um7y1h83ge06nx

Why would people bother trying to save the car anyway? Unless you catch it at its very earliest stage surely the car is an economic write off anyway.

zilog_jones

cardinal tetra wrote: »

The fact it was a zafira or there was a recall on the zafira makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. Liability can't be pinned to them and it will be the policyholders insurance that will be handling the claim. End of story. Fin. Kaput. Capiche. Genug . Done. Sorted. Signed. Sealed. Delivered.

I think it's still important, as it raises questions as to the effectiveness of safety recalls and maybe Opel's dealing of the recall. There have been issues with certain BMWs leading to engine fires recently, and in most cases BMW were essentially taking the cars off the road and impounding them until the replacement parts were fitted (unless the owner refused). I don't think Opel or Vauxhall have been going to the same extent - I know for a fact people are still driving around in Zafira B's and have yet to bring them in for the 2019 recall.

dulpit

I've seen people all over the place say that the car was smoking or on fire when it turned into the car park. Now this should be very easy for the authorities to assertain, I'm sure there's plenty of cctv, and if that was the case it will surely come out. To agree with someone else, if this was the case and even if it was obviously somebody panicking, they should still be charged with something.

The reason I don't belive it is that if my car went on fire while driving, the choice of driving into multi story car park and parking in a space is way down the list. My first thought would be throw on the hazards and leg it. Or pull in out of the way (eg by the entrance to the loading bay). If for some reason i did end up going into the car park, you can be sure I wouldn't be looking for a specific space, I'd just find some open area and abandon it. Or go to the the roof. I might be wrong though...

pwurple

Be right back wrote: »

Just say, if you were driving on the motorway and the engine caught fire, what would you do then?

Hard shoulder.


This is really complicated eh?

Be right back

pwurple wrote: »

Hard shoulder.


This is really complicated eh?

How would you put it out then?

TheChizler

dulpit wrote: »

The reason I don't belive it is that if my car went on fire while driving, the choice of driving into multi story car park and parking in a space is way down the list. My first thought would be throw on the hazards and leg it. Or pull in out of the way (eg by the entrance to the loading bay). If for some reason i did end up going into the car park, you can be sure I wouldn't be looking for a specific space, I'd just find some open area and abandon it. Or go to the the roof. I might be wrong though...

Would you though? People make all sorts of irrational decisions when they're panicking and stressed, you really don't know what you'd do until you're in that situation. If last week someone sat her down and asked her hypothetically what should they do in that situation I'd be willing to bet they'd give much the same answer as what you said.

pwurple

Be right back wrote: »

How would you put it out then?

It wouldn't be possible, would it? :rolleyes:

I need to unfollow this thread. I've got enough 5 year old's asking me daft questions in my life.:p

Be right back

pwurple wrote: »

It wouldn't be possible, would it? :rolleyes:

I need to unfollow this thread. I've got enough 5 year old's asking me daft questions in my life.:p

It wouldn't be possible but to quote you, "the approach of walking away and letting it develop is not best practice".

Be right back

A crane is starting to remove the cars from the car park today.

Balanadan

Be right back wrote: »

Just say, if you were driving on the motorway and the engine caught fire, what would you do then?

Going by the logic on here, you should keep driving and send a snapchat.

JP Liz V1

Seamus Damp Scuba wrote: »

If even for her own sake, who knows how fast the car would have went up. She could have just stopped the car and abandoned it in the middle of a lane, I think most would understand that it's an emergency.

If I saw smoke, I'd abandon there and then and call 999

bucketybuck

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If I saw smoke, I'd abandon there and then and call 999

Well actually...

pwurple wrote: »

The approach of walking away and letting it develop is not best practice in my experience