Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

grogi

horgan_p wrote: »

Best of luck, an 06 Opel, long out of warranty, probably hasnt seen a main dealer service in 10 years.
How could Opel take responsibility, unless the shopping center can prove beyond doubt that the fire was caused by an inherent flaw with the cars design.

Yes, it was an inherent flaw. There was a recall campaign for those resistors.

The question is: how proactive Opel was in tracking the owners? Did the information reach the owners and they ignored it, or the campaign was only advertised to people arriving to the dealer.

A few years ago I purchased a Mazda already in its teens. Two weeks later I received a letter from Mazda Ireland about ongoing recall of airbags. That's what Opel should have been doing.

Darc19

horgan_p wrote: »

Best of luck, an 06 Opel, long out of warranty, probably hasnt seen a main dealer service in 10 years.
How could Opel take responsibility, unless the shopping center can prove beyond doubt that the fire was caused by an inherent flaw with the cars design.

So far there have been four recalls on this model.
Maybe 4th time lucky to fix the fire hazard.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/zafira/93176/vauxhall-zafira-recall-previously-fixed-cars-recalled-again

two wheels good

Darc19 wrote: »

So far there have been four recalls on this model.
Maybe 4th time lucky to fix the fire hazard.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/zafira/93176/vauxhall-zafira-recall-previously-fixed-cars-recalled-again

Interesting. Not simply an inherent defect but bodgers repairing a thermal fuse that has done its job correctly.

"Healthy fuses use a metal spring that is held in place by a special copper-free solder, designed to release the spring and break the circuit if the temperature reaches 184 degrees Celsius. A replacement unit would cost less than £30, but some repairers have made their own attempts to reconnect the system, including using normal plumbing or electrical solder, which means the fuse won’t break at the required temperature."

Sonics2k

grogi wrote: »

Yes, it was an inherent flaw. There was a recall campaign for those resistors.

The question is: how proactive Opel was in tracking the owners? Did the information reach the owners and they ignored it, or the campaign was only advertised to people arriving to the dealer.

A few years ago I purchased a Mazda already in its teens. Two weeks later I received a letter from Mazda Ireland about ongoing recall of airbags. That's what Opel should have been doing.

I would imagine, as is the case in a lot of recalls the owner of the car had no clue about it.

Sure I was walking by Penneys only recently and they had two measly and tiny A4 pages on display for recalls, and similar in Lidl.

.red.

Sonics2k wrote: »

I would imagine, as is the case in a lot of recalls the owner of the car had no clue about it.

Sure I was walking by Penneys only recently and they had two measly and tiny A4 pages on display for recalls, and similar in Lidl.

It's a bit different with a car, the manufacturer can get your name and address off the relevant authorities and you get a letter in the post telling you to contact your local main dealer to book it in for a free repair or replacement part. Think you also get a second and third letter.
My wife had a Yaris that had 2 recalls in the 5ish years that she owned it.

colm_mcm

grogi wrote: »

Yes, it was an inherent flaw. There was a recall campaign for those resistors.

The question is: how proactive Opel was in tracking the owners? Did the information reach the owners and they ignored it, or the campaign was only advertised to people arriving to the dealer.

A few years ago I purchased a Mazda already in its teens. Two weeks later I received a letter from Mazda Ireland about ongoing recall of airbags. That's what Opel should have been doing.

The issue with Takata airbags is only still being dealt with despite having been discovered in 2013. There are still people getting letters for the first time.

zilog_jones

The Takata airbag recall is in a completely different league - it covers over 50 million cars across various brands worldwide, including some models over 20 years old. As it's an age related issue it was much more difficult to identify affected parts, so it took some time before certain models were included in the recalls. A few late '90s Toyotas were only added to the list this year.

The Zafira issue is related to one part, fitted to one particular configuration of one model of car (Zafira B without climate control). As seen by yet another car park fire in Norway this year, Opel/Vauxhall have not done a good enough job at recalling these.

freshpopcorn

When it reopens I'd say everybody will be heading for the roof!

Hibernicis

A few links commemorating the 12 month anniversary for the fire and confirming the scheduled reopening on 12th November 2020

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/0831/1162394-douglas-cork-shopping-centre-to-reopen/

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Douglas-Village-Shopping-Centre-on-course-to-reopen-later-this-year-026b5866-44eb-41d9-aa79-669b7a9fac07-ds

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Artists-invited-to-submit-proposals-for-a-project-to-mark-the-reopening-of-Douglas-Library-c05ad0e0-27dd-4e1d-a617-83f514758eb6-ds

funnydoggy

A month and a bit to go!

I worked in the centre so I'm excited to be going back in. We're going in the towards the end of October to set up.


I'll do my best to avoid town over Christmas and shop in the centre as much as I can.

Le Bruise

Delighted to hear the centre is re-opening. We always stopped here on route from Wicklow to my folks in West Cork for a bite in Puccinos, a browse around the shops and some tasty weekend supplies in M&S.

My wife in particular calls it her 'happy place', as it will always remind her of trips to the grandparents when the kids were small (they're still pretty small).

We'll be giving it our custom as soon as it's open again!

lawrencesummers

Anyone know definitively what tenants are gone? And if any new ones are coming in?

Hibernicis

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Anyone know definitively what tenants are gone? And if any new ones are coming in?

The following have appeared in the press recently as confirmed to be returning:

Tesco
Marks and Spencer
TK Maxx
Leonard Hair and Beauty
Douglas Library

Nothing on the Shopping Centre Facebook page or website. This article from the echo gave a bit more info

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Douglas-Village-Shopping-Centre-on-course-to-reopen-later-this-year-026b5866-44eb-41d9-aa79-669b7a9fac07-ds

Whilst the return of the centre’s three anchor stores, Tesco, TK Maxx and M&S is assured, Mr Mieszala said the centre has lost several retailers.

“As a result of the pandemic, we have lost a few tenants. There is a handful of them but, as a core, on November 12 we will be reopening with our three anchors, Tesco, M&S and TK Maxx,” he said.

“We are still working with the smaller-sized operators to see if and how we can help them to open on time.

“Covid has had a huge impact on a lot of businesses — in particular retail.

“The plan is to get as many of the stores open as possible for that date,” he said.

Treehelpplease

starbucks anyone know?

grogi

Treehelpplease wrote: »

starbucks anyone know?

They'll come back like japaneese knot weed.

funnydoggy

Treehelpplease wrote: »

starbucks anyone know?

I was chatting with one of the baristas and he reckoned they are alright.

lawrencesummers

The pet shop?

Cork Trucker

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The pet shop?

Was that not gone already?

TheChizler

All the Maxi Zoo signage disappeared over the last few months.

ACitizenErased

Tesco & Carraig Donn have commenced recruitment - Tesco touting a start date of Oct 19th.

snotboogie

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Was that not gone already?

Nope pretty sure they were open when the fire hit. I wonder if dennehy's are going back in upstairs. Realistically since they have the big 3 returning the centre will be fine.

Cork Lass

TheChizler wrote: »

All the Maxi Zoo signage disappeared over the last few months.

Maxi Zoo not going back there - they are looking for a different site as they are more suited to a retail park environment.

Cork Trucker

snotboogie wrote: »

Nope pretty sure they were open when the fire hit. I wonder if dennehy's are going back in upstairs. Realistically since they have the big 3 returning the centre will be fine.

Dennehy’s don’t need the Centre by the looks of it, they are thriving where they are plus sponsoring sports clubs/organisations. What will remain outside the big 3 I’m curious about

mean gene

is johnny giles going back

cantalach

Cork Lass wrote: »

Maxi Zoo not going back there - they are looking for a different site as they are more suited to a retail park environment.

The stripmallification of Ireland continues.

freshpopcorn

Cork Lass wrote: »

Maxi Zoo not going back there - they are looking for a different site as they are more suited to a retail park environment.

It wouldn’t surprise me to be honest about that!

the beer revolu

Cork Lass wrote: »

Maxi Zoo not going back there - they are looking for a different site as they are more suited to a retail park environment.

I don't get this.
Why is it easier to push a trolley full of pet stuff through a retail park car park than it is through a shopping centre? Both have adjoined parking.

Odelay

Le Bruise wrote: »

Delighted to hear the centre is re-opening. We always stopped here on route from Wicklow to my folks in West Cork for a bite in Puccinos, a browse around the shops and some tasty weekend supplies in M&S.

My wife in particular calls it her 'happy place', as it will always remind her of trips to the grandparents when the kids were small (they're still pretty small).

We'll be giving it our custom as soon as it's open again!

I'm the same. Can't wait to fill up the Zafira and go on a road trip to the center.

s1ippy

Could they not have put something better there like a park or housing.

It attracts unmanageable levels of traffic through Douglas.

I suppose I don't care because it doesn't affect me anymore, but it just strikes me as completely stupid to put it back there when there are even more cars on the road now and no improvement to infrastructure.

TheChizler

s1ippy wrote: »

Could they not have put something better there like a park or housing.

It attracts unmanageable levels of traffic through Douglas.

I suppose I don't care because it doesn't affect me anymore, but it just strikes me as completely stupid to put it back there when there are even more cars on the road now and no improvement to infrastructure.

Well they were hardly going to tear down the entire thing when there was only damage to 14% of the car park.

cantalach

the beer revolu wrote: »

I don't get this.
Why is it easier to push a trolley full of pet stuff through a retail park car park than it is through a shopping centre? Both have adjoined parking.

Large swathes of the US have moved to the “strip mall” model over the last 20 years. For the retailer, I guess the benefit is lower rent and complete flexibility as regards opening hours. And your parking comment notwithstanding, the customer can typically park much closer to the business they want to visit instead of parking in a general car park and having to walk a few hundred metres. In the US people routinely drive through car parks between different businesses. I must confess that I’ve done it myself over there.

freshpopcorn

the beer revolu wrote: »

I don't get this.
Why is it easier to push a trolley full of pet stuff through a retail park car park than it is through a shopping centre? Both have adjoined parking.

I live in North Cork. I know people who buy pet stuff in Maxi Zoo. They all prefer going to the one in Clonmel because it’s easier to drive into the retail park and walk a few steps into the shop instead of going into a multi story car park and walking up and down escalators with trolleys.

kub

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I live in North Cork. I know people who buy pet stuff in Maxi Zoo. They all prefer going to the one in Clonmel because it’s easier to drive into the retail park and walk a few steps into the shop instead of going into a multi story car park and walking up and down escalators with trolleys.

:rolleyes: Little wonder gym membership is so popular

lawrencesummers

Any talk of sprinklers in the upgraded car park?

AugustusMinimus

s1ippy wrote: »

Could they not have put something better there like a park or housing.

It attracts unmanageable levels of traffic through Douglas.

I suppose I don't care because it doesn't affect me anymore, but it just strikes me as completely stupid to put it back there when there are even more cars on the road now and no improvement to infrastructure.

I’d say the owners of the shopping centre would have been delighted to demolish it and turn it into a park.

run_Forrest_run

Odelay wrote: »

I'm the same. Can't wait to fill up the Zafira and go on a road trip to the center.

Gru

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Any talk of sprinklers in the upgraded car park?

i did see work vans coming and going, one of which was for a company who do sprinkler systems!

grogi

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I live in North Cork. I know people who buy pet stuff in Maxi Zoo. They all prefer going to the one in Clonmel because it’s easier to drive into the retail park and walk a few steps into the shop instead of going into a multi story car park and walking up and down escalators with trolleys.

People prefer to do various things. It doesn't mean those things are better for them.

The retail park setup is not available to anyone without a car. A modern city does not want cars. Hence retail parks should be available to businesses that require car as well - such as builder providers etc. Pet shop doesn't and you should be able to just walk in.

freshpopcorn

grogi wrote: »

People prefer to do various things. It doesn't mean those things are better for them.

The retail park setup is not available to anyone without a car. A modern city does not want cars. Hence retail parks should be available to businesses that require car as well - such as builder providers etc. Pet shop doesn't and you should be able to just walk in.

Did I say one thing was better?

Also most of Ireland’s retail parks can be accessed by walking to them or a bus/public transport.
If you are shopping in maxi zooo also. A lot of people would be buying larger bulky items. Which would be fairly awkward to somebody without a car.(Unless they were just buying small little bits and pieces)

RINO87

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I live in North Cork. I know people who buy pet stuff in Maxi Zoo. They all prefer going to the one in Clonmel because it’s easier to drive into the retail park and walk a few steps into the shop instead of going into a multi story car park and walking up and down escalators with trolleys.

Stories like this make me despair for humanity, are we that lazy?

freshpopcorn

RINO87 wrote: »

Stories like this make me despair for humanity, are we that lazy?

I'm unsure to be honest. I just think people associate Maxi Zoo and those larger pet shops with Retail Parks which are nice and bright outside and they find Douglas miserable to go into. When ever I visited the store it was almost always empty.
These people wouldn't be lazy to be honest.

I'd say Maxi Zoo are delighted to be out of the place.

I don't want to derail the thread talking about Maxi Zoo by the way.

Ludo

Their store in Ballincollig is always even emptier than the one in Douglas used to be and that is in a "retail park". In fairness, it is not the kind of shop that is going to ever be that busy no matter where it is. People buy in bulk for the most part in them and dont spent time browsing.

undertaker fan 88

Ludo wrote: »

Their store in Ballincollig is always even emptier than the one in Douglas used to be and that is in a "retail park". In fairness, it is not the kind of shop that is going to ever be that busy no matter where it is. People buy in bulk for the most part in them and dont spent time browsing.

It's also alot cheaper to buy pet products online these days. Maxi zoo is quiet expensive

Cork Trucker

undertaker fan 88 wrote: »

It's also alot cheaper to buy pet products online these days. Maxi zoo is quiet expensive

Wait for the “Shop local save jobs” outcry.

I 100% agree with you though.

undertaker fan 88

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Wait for the “Shop local save jobs” outcry.

I 100% agree with you though.

Plenty local pet shops that are not as crazy price like maxi zoo. And it's a German chain store so it isnt technically local ha.

Tauriel

I really hope that the book shop reopens. They had some great bargains.

Harika

mustang shelly wrote: »

I really hope that the book shop reopens. They had some great bargains.

The library? Yeah they really sold for a bargain lol

Tauriel

Harika wrote: »

The library? Yeah they really sold for a bargain lol

Nope, the shop that sold books, lottery tickets, sweets, stationery, etc. It would of been a little bit down from Clarks.

SaltyJohn

mustang shelly wrote: »

Nope, the shop that sold books, lottery tickets, sweets, stationery, etc. It would of been a little bit down from Clarks.

Book Station

lilmissprincess

They're still in Blackpool shopping centre so hopefully they will be back in. Loved that shop!