January 2020 Recruitment.

Harrison22

First time posting here! Wish I knew about this forum also, but got the news that I passed the AC first time so all good!

Does anyone have any idea on what the vetting process is like? I've no criminal convictions, haven't been in debt, had loans or anything serious but still worried and anxious about vetting lol any info is appreciated!

The Rookie

Harrison22 wrote: »

First time posting here! Wish I knew about this forum also, but got the news that I passed the AC first time so all good!

Does anyone have any idea on what the vetting process is like? I've no criminal convictions, haven't been in debt, had loans or anything serious but still worried and anxious about vetting lol any info is appreciated!

I dont think you will have any trouble at all. :-) dont be worrying about it.

Majorian

I wonder realistically speaking what the odds of the non FT lot starting in '21 are?

walkman2302

I hope some of us do. Tho especially with the virus and the potential future lock downs how could you ever guess?

Newbieee

Majorian wrote: »

I wonder realistically speaking what the odds of the non FT lot starting in '21 are?

Very unlikely

SMS19

Next intake is due to start end of March and next batch of calls a due to go out May so would be a long wait for start dates.

MrChew

Newbieee wrote: »

Very unlikely

I'm starting to think that even the FT folks will be lucky to start before winter, given the number of 2018 still waiting for the call combined with the reduced intake sizes.

AlphaBravoOut

MrChew wrote: »

I'm starting to think that even the FT folks will be lucky to start before winter, given the number of 2018 still waiting for the call combined with the reduced intake sizes.

Let’s hope it’s sooner..think there’s 48 left from the last campaign so maybe if they get through those between end of Mar-May then our FT grps could run from June onwards? The stuff you think about at this time of night!

MrChew

AlphaBravoOut wrote: »

Let’s hope it’s sooner..think there’s 48 left from the last campaign so maybe if they get through those between end of Mar-May then our FT grps could run from June onwards? The stuff you think about at this time of night!

I know, right? I don't think they are calling anyone else between now and May, meaning those remaining 48 will get the call in May. So the first 2020 intake won't be until a good while after that, taking into account smaller groups and the fact they seem to be intentionally leaving longer gaps between intakes.

Columbo1234

MrChew wrote: »

I know, right? I don't think they are calling anyone else between now and May, meaning those remaining 48 will get the call in May. So the first 2020 intake won't be until a good while after that, taking into account smaller groups and the fact they seem to be intentionally leaving longer gaps between intakes.

From what I’ve read I don’t think they normally take an intake in July so maybe realistically we could be looking at August and onwards for the first 2002 intakes ? I don’t mind the wait if I’m lucky enough to pass next stages but really eager to get PCA and medical done and dusted hopefully soon although no updates with new dates yet.

MrChew

Columbo1234 wrote: »

From what I’ve read I don’t think they normally take an intake in July so maybe realistically we could be looking at August and onwards for the first 2002 intakes ? I don’t mind the wait if I’m lucky enough to pass next stages but really eager to get PCA and medical done and dusted hopefully soon although no updates with new dates yet.

Hoping you hear something soon!

walkman2302

When would you think a realistic time would be to get our ML placing? I’m hoping April after lockdown ends and final people complete there AC.

JC12250

I just want the rest of the ACs to get finished so the rest of us can progress to the PSNI stages lol

walkman2302

It’s incredibly frustrating all this stop starting, but I know it’s worth the wait but yes 100% I can’t wait either!

MrChew

walkman2302 wrote: »

When would you think a realistic time would be to get our ML placing? I’m hoping April after lockdown ends and final people complete there AC.

From what Deloitte have said, the outstanding ACs are what is preventing the ML from being produced. If there is any loosening of restrictions before April, it's feasible that they might recommence sooner.

AlphaBravoOut

MrChew wrote: »

I know, right? I don't think they are calling anyone else between now and May, meaning those remaining 48 will get the call in May. So the first 2020 intake won't be until a good while after that, taking into account smaller groups and the fact they seem to be intentionally leaving longer gaps between intakes.

Gotcha now..thanks buddy, feel bad even commenting this way as we are further ahead than others, but had hoped for a summer start as I’ve really had enough of my current job. I’ll keep the fingers crossed

MrChew

AlphaBravoOut wrote: »

had hoped for a summer start as I’ve really had enough of my current job.

Lol, SAME.

Brodin2693

I think we’re all anticipating the worst case scenario now haha hope for the worst and be surprised if it’s hopefully a lot smoother from here on! Hopefully they get AC centres finished in the next month! I’d like to think they have a list pre formed already and it’s a case of slotting candidates in based on their score so we’d get our ML very soon after completion

deebizzle13

Has anyone who has just been informed of passing the AC in January there like myself been informed of vetting progress yet? Or do we all have to wait until everyone has finished their AC's before we can progress?

walkman2302

deebizzle13 wrote: »

Has anyone who has just been informed of passing the AC in January there like myself been informed of vetting progress yet? Or do we all have to wait until everyone has finished their AC's before we can progress?

Yeah we have to wait until the AC’s complete and then the ML will be generated. Hopefully from there vetting etc would continue based on merit order. Other than FT groups I don’t believe any one would been contacted for vetting.

JC12250

Things aren’t looking good today if the CC report is anything to go by. Budget cuts could lead to the reduction of the number of officers recruited. A budget cut of £23M could mean recruiting only 114 officers if I’ve read that correctly.

walkman2302

It doesn’t make for good reading, although as it stands a it’s only an assumption on how they would make savings if they were not allocated more funding. It would be terrible if this does come to fruition and would also nearly guarantee there wouldn’t be anymore recruitment in the near future.

MrChew

JC12250 wrote: »

Things aren’t looking good today if the CC report is anything to go by. Budget cuts could lead to the reduction of the number of officers recruited. A budget cut of £23M could mean recruiting only 114 officers if I’ve read that correctly.

Yes, that makes for pretty grim reading.

The 114 officers seems to refer to the 21/22 financial year - but they had expected to recruit 600 officers from the 2002 campaign, which would suggest 300 max being recruited from 2002, if the budget line stays the same. Additionally, there are 48 still to be called from 1810, which would likely count towards the above figure of 114.

JC12250

Hopefully the policing board along with the justice committee put pressure on the Justice Minister to demand more funding from the exec - failure to do so could have serious implications on this recruitment and as mentioned, future recruitment campaigns for at least the next year.

Brodin2693

It’s absolutely ludicrous, the PSNI is the most underfunded police service in the UK and Ireland. I can’t see how, with the growing threats posed by Brexit alone, reducing officers is considered a smart decision. But hopefully the points raised by the CC and Police Fed will bring these issues to light.

walkman2302

I really hope it’s a business move from the CC to get the additional funding they require.

MrChew

walkman2302 wrote: »

I really hope it’s a business move from the CC to get the additional funding they require.

It's a business move and insurance. If it gets them the funding they need, good. If it doesn't, and service standards begin to slide and the politicians become unhappy, the CC can say that he warned them this would happen.

Columbo1234

A stark warning from CC to plug funding hole. With the current political back drop between dealing with covid and brexit implications causing tensions I really can't see the PSNI not getting what they ask for in terms of required budget. I can't see how any Politician could stand over a reduction in Officers leading to a reduction in visible service delivery after commitments made in NDNA and with new assembly elections on the horizon in 2022. Here's hoping this campaign doesn't get another curve ball.

walkman2302

Food for thought, it’s coming close to the start of a new financial year. Could the CC making noise at the right time?

JC12250

DoJ comments on Twitter seems to echo the thought of the funding gap not getting plugged. Just don’t understand how the UK government are investing into Policing yet PSNI seem to be getting overlooked. When £300M is being handed back you think the treasury would reinstate a small amount of that back into the executive solely to benefit the PSNI. Frustrating and devastating to think that after all this waiting it could be all over due to budget cuts.

HopefulCan2002

Where is everyone seeing this about funding cuts and only recruiting so many? Starting to worry about it to be honest bad enough waiting for results but seeing this now makes me think

JC12250

HopefulCan2002 wrote: »

Where is everyone seeing this about funding cuts and only recruiting so many? Starting to worry about it to be honest bad enough waiting for results but seeing this now makes me think

https://www.psni.police.uk/news/Latest-News/040221-chief-constable-report-to-nipb/

HopefulCan2002

JC12250 wrote: »

https://www.psni.police.uk/news/Latest-News/040221-chief-constable-report-to-nipb/

Doesn’t make good reading to be honest if covid doesn’t mess it up the the budget cut will. Bit disappointed to be honest after reading that but I guess time will tell.

Gda88

50% reduction in this campaign, now only 300 recruits and that will effect the merit list also. All this anxious waiting about for results and a merit number looks to be for nothing for the majority of us

Brodin2693

Important to note that the budget can be changed and as a few have stated above, it’s the CC making noise to bring this to the surface. Not only would it affect recruitment but it would also involve cutting current staffing numbers. Ultimately a cut in budget will be detrimental to the security of the country. Not to mention it just tramples over the NDNA & the Patten Report guidance from way back in the early 2000’s of having 7500 officers

deebizzle13

Not nice after putting in so much effort over the last year near enough. Hopefully it all works out for everybody.

walkman2302

If you search on YouTube for Policing Board February Meeting in Public and skip to 59 minutes, you will the CC comments on the matter.

MrChew

walkman2302 wrote: »

If you search on YouTube for Policing Board February Meeting in Public and skip to 59 minutes, you will the CC comments on the matter.

In fairness to the CC, he's spelt out exactly the amount needed to maintain number targets and identified other areas where costs could be reduced so the DoJ don't necessarily need to come up with the full 23m - just enough to fulfil some of their key priorities, of which recruitment absolutely seems to be one. There's an element of horse trading to this, and there also seems to be unanimous political will to meet the NDNA obligations.

PSNIhopeful1

MrChew wrote: »

In fairness to the CC, he's spelt out exactly the amount needed to maintain number targets and identified other areas where costs could be reduced so the DoJ don't necessarily need to come up with the full 23m - just enough to fulfil some of their key priorities, of which recruitment absolutely seems to be one. There's an element of horse trading to this, and there also seems to be unanimous political will to meet the NDNA obligations.

Do you think this will have much of an effect on us in the fast track groups? Fast track essentially means you're in the top 100/200, doesn't it?


If they only take 300 in 2021, do you think we will be okay regardless?

deebizzle13

If the FT candidates are top 200 then that leaves 100 more to progress through? Surely that won't be enough in the grand scheme of things. I'm going to stay positive and hope for the best for now, all I can do.

ASM1234

So is the 50% cut happening or what could happen? Slightly confused on what's happening

deebizzle13

Also are we technically not the 2020 recruitment due to the process starting last year? Maybe meaning the 50% cut starting with the next recruitment. Who knows.

MrChew

PSNIhopeful1 wrote: »

Do you think this will have much of an effect on us in the fast track groups? Fast track essentially means you're in the top 100/200, doesn't it?


If they only take 300 in 2021, do you think we will be okay regardless?

Honestly mate, I've no clue, there's a lot of moving parts.

The report says that if they don't get sufficient funds, there will only be 114 recruited in FY21/22. Does the 48 that still need to be appointed from 1810 come out of that number? Probably.

So that eats into the number of spaces available for 2002 candidates. And, from the maths, it means that a bunch of 2002 candidates will be recruited in FY22/23, meaning a good whack of 2002 candidates won't be appointed until after April 2022. Speculating - and this is all speculation - if you're not top 85 or higher, say, you could well be waiting til 2022 for a spot.

And that applies mostly only to FT candidates who again, even in this wick situation, are in a better position than those who aren't FT. Without additional funding, a lot of fine folks who haunt this board are going to lose their chance.

MrChew

ASM1234 wrote: »

So is the 50% cut happening or what could happen? Slightly confused on what's happening

Depends on the benevolence of the Department of Justice purse holders lol. If the PSNI can get a bit more money out of them, it might be all good. We'll know for sure closer to the end of the financial year when budgets are finalised.

MrChew

deebizzle13 wrote: »

Also are we technically not the 2020 recruitment due to the process starting last year? Maybe meaning the 50% cut starting with the next recruitment. Who knows.

This seems unlikely - the CC's report specifically says such a cut will have adverse impact on people currently on recruitment merit lists, namely us.

RoboCop123

I may have interpreted this wrong but would the article not suggest they intend to recruit @ 114 in the next campaign and cut the merit list by 50% for 2002?

MrChew

RoboCop123 wrote: »

I am have interpreted this wrong but would the article not suggest they intend to recruit @ 114 in the next campaign and cut the merit list by 50% for 2002?

From the CC's report he submitted to the Policing Board, it doesn't sound like that, Robo. It reads like 114 for financial year 21/22 with an overall recruitment cut of 50%, ie 300 recruited instead of 600 from 2002.

RoboCop123

MrChew wrote: »

From the CC's report he submitted to the Policing Board, it doesn't sound like that, Robo. It reads like 114 for financial year 21/22 with an overall recruitment cut of 50%, ie 300 recruited instead of 600 from 2002.

Ah ok MrChew, so from that they'll limit the intake to 114 this year but still take 300 from 2002? Meaning even though there is more delays the top 300 should be safe..

MrChew

RoboCop123 wrote: »

Ah ok MrChew, so from that they'll limit the intake to 114 this year but still take 300 from 2002? Meaning even though there is more delays the top 300 should be safe..

That's how I understand it, yeah, but with the added caveat that the 48 from 1810 still waiting for calls will count out of the 114 for this FY.

I'm hopeful that this can be worked out - 6 mil isn't a lot in the grand scheme and increasing police visibility is popular with the public and politically.

HopefulCan2002

walkman2302 wrote: »

If you search on YouTube for Policing Board February Meeting in Public and skip to 59 minutes, you will the CC comments on the matter.

Have you a link for it?