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How is this thug allowed to roam free

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    #242
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    blueshade wrote: »
    . Of course there's the private companies who get paid to transport these lads from prison to the courthouse and back again as well. .

    No there's not....


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    #243
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Wasnt he put in the new unit in Midlands Prison which is setup for people like him:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/national-violence-reduction-unit-set-to-receive-first-prisoner-next-week-1.3692305


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    #244
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    No there's not....

    Very true as in the UK its very different. G4S and similar run the transport.

    It use to be Garda here and then changed to prison service.
    Obviously still some Garda vans or trucks but not many.


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    #245
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Odhinn wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111474081&postcount=220

    So what your basically saying I don't like the word "prison" so instead we will call it a "secure hospital" :rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #246
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    1874 wrote: »
    A secure hospital? who says he has a mental illness? .................




    A judge implied it.


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    #247
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Odhinn wrote: »
    A judge implied it.

    But the judge is not a psychiatrist. None of us are. Believe me it would be much easier for everyone, including him, if he could be moved to the psych unit and drugged up to the eyeballs to keep him manageable.
    But the fact that he’s not in the psyche unit means that he has been examined and there’s nothing wrong with him.
    There’s absolutely no reason for any of the many public servants that look after him to ever be attacked in any way by this guy.
    He’s a human being and he needs to be looked after but in a way that ensures that no other human being has to be a victim of his total lack of self control.
    There comes a point when we have to accept that every avenue has been explored and he’s not wanting to co operate and be civilized to other humans.
    That point has been passed along time ago with this guy.
    There aren’t all that many in our prison system like him so I’m not saying that the tasering and the pepper spray be used on everyone, just the hopeless ones.
    Oh, before you ask , if he dies, he dies.


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    #248
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Did it ever occur to you that if he was placed in a secure hospital he would (a) be kept off the streets (b) treated for whatever severe mental issues he has with the possibility that (c) he would no longer pose such a threat to the public?

    Big assumption there, that mental health services just don't let people rot in these places. 'Treatment' eh. I'm sure in your fantasy he has a full-time psychologist who is always on hand.

    Surprised to read in that article that regular prison officers don't carry batons? I mean what? Do they have other defensive equipment on them?


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    #249
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Big assumption there, that mental health services just don't let people rot in these places. 'Treatment' eh. I'm sure in your fantasy he has a full-time psychologist who is always on hand.

    Surprised to read in that article that regular prison officers don't carry batons? I mean what? Do they have other defensive equipment on them?


    The fact is that locking people up for extremely long periods in very tough conditions doesn't work. Maiming and torture as penalties didn't work. Transportation to a hellish enviroment didn't work. The death penalty didn't and doesn't work.


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    #250
    Irishphotodesk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    God Of Time wrote: »
    If being soft on crime worked, Ireland would be a crime free paradise.

    Can't figure out if your comment is tongue in cheek or serious.

    If serious, then can you show me a comparable country which is softer on crime ?
    We have a country where the legal system didn't have proper provision for white collar criminals to be prosecuted - laws had to be created to attempt to convict those involved with Anglo bank etc and we haven't even gotten to many of those who should have been jailed. Many of our white collar criminals still roam free.

    Our legal/judicial/penal system offers convicted criminals every opportunity for reform and in many cases despite offending while on bail, suspended sentences are given.

    Excuses/mitigation given before the courts are never questioned - sit in a district court long enough and you will hear, my client has a history of alcohol/drug abuse from a young age, he/she has a less than standard IQ, the accused was abused as a child, my client is about to become a father and is seeking an opportunity to change his life etc all accepted by judges because a solicitor trying to get the best for their client says them... No proof is offered.... EVER !


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    #251
    hatrickpatrick
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    The fact is that locking people up for extremely long periods in very tough conditions doesn't work. Maiming and torture as penalties didn't work. Transportation to a hellish enviroment didn't work. The death penalty didn't and doesn't work.

    Locking people up for life works simply because if you’re locked up for life, you are incapable of posing a threat to the public.


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    #252
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The fact is

    Now now don't change the subject.

    And of course execution works, what are you on about?


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    #253
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Locking people up for life works simply because if you’re locked up for life, you are incapable of posing a threat to the public.




    Yet America, where sentencing is extremely harsh and many states have the death penalty has a far higher rate of violent crime compared to elsewhere.



    Postwoke wrote:
    And of course execution works, what are you on about?




    As a deterrent? No, no evidence of it at all.


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    #254
    weldoninhio
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Yet America, where sentencing is extremely harsh and many states have the death penalty has a far higher rate of violent crime compared to elsewhere.









    As a deterrent? No, no evidence of it at all.

    How many criminals who are executed re-offend?? I believe the recidivism rate is 0.


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    #255
    Kimbot
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Locking people up for life works simply because if you’re locked up for life, you are incapable of posing a threat to the public.

    Well if he was locked up for life he is still a threat to members of the public, those that have to work in the same prison as him are still members of the public that he has attacked even tho he was locked up.


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    #256
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Well if he was locked up for life he is still a threat to members of the public, those that have to work in the same prison as him are still members of the public that he has attacked even tho he was locked up.

    I'm sure these members of the public that work in prison are trained to deal with these "people" where outside prison the public isn't. Is that too hard to grasp?


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    #257
    Kimbot
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    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    I'm sure these members of the public that work in prison are trained to deal with these "people" where outside prison the public isn't. Is that too hard to grasp?

    There are plenty of civilians that work in the prisons that are not trained to deal with prisoners that this guy could easily harm if he wanted to.


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    #258
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Kimbot wrote: »
    There are plenty of civilians that work in the prisons that are not trained to deal with prisoners that this guy could easily harm if he wanted to.

    What is your solution?


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    #259
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    What is your solution?

    I dont have one, do I need to have a solution to post in here or something?


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    #260
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Kimbot wrote: »
    I dont have one, do I need to have a solution to post in here or something?

    Must have hit a nerve, with all your criticising of solutions I would have thought
    you would have an idea for yourself but I guess that's the liberal way:rolleyes:


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    #261
    Kimbot
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    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    Must have hit a nerve, with all your criticising of solutions I would have thought
    you would have an idea for yourself but I guess that's the liberal way:rolleyes:

    No nerve hit here, i'm just pointing out to you that he can sill hurt members of the public be it in jail or hospital.


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    #262
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Kimbot wrote: »
    No nerve hit here, i'm just pointing out to you that he can sill hurt members of the public be it in jail or hospital.

    The point of a prison is to limit him hurting. That is the whole point unless your in favour of execution for crimes which for certain heinous crimes probably should be the case.


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    #263
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    The point of a prison is to limit him hurting. That is the whole point unless your in favour of execution for crimes which for certain heinous crimes probably should be the case.

    Personally I would bring back execution for certain animals. However this certain animal has apparently had every opportunity, thrown in prison and still hurt people, thrown into a specialist jail with full time psychologists and still he hurt people. To me this fella just hates authority and will always be that way.


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    #264
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Odhinn wrote: »

    As a deterrent? No, no evidence of it at all.

    That's because no deterrents work. All criminals believe they'll get away with their crime. I would assume that doesn't even need stating.


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    #265
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Well if he was locked up for life he is still a threat to members of the public, those that have to work in the same prison as him are still members of the public that he has attacked even tho he was locked up.

    Choosing to work in a prison means taking on the possibility of such incidents. Being a member of the general public involves no such choice. Massive difference.


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