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mr.stonewall wrote: »

Balance of sfp now showing in financial services under amounts due

Showing in mine too.

tellmeabit

Showing here also. But a financial discipline showing... wasn't late, have more ground than claimed. What's up with that!?
Suppose ring and ask

Showing in greening and young farmer amounts

Dinzee Conlee

tellmeabit wrote: »

Showing here also. But a financial discipline showing... wasn't late, have more ground than claimed. What's up with that!?
Suppose ring and ask

Showing in greening and young farmer amounts

I am seeing that too on mine (my SFP is only small, so the financial discipline is small too, less than 20euro, but still)

Anyone know what it is?

barnaman

Lads read the terms!!!

"In the context of the annual budgetary procedure of the European Union, the financial discipline mechanism which is implemented by the Member States involves a monetary deduction from some direct payments thereby creating a financial Crisis Reserve for the European Union. The crisis reserve is intended to provide additional support for the agricultural sector in the case of major crises affecting agricultural production or distribution. In the event that the Crisis Reserve is not activated in the financial year, or it is not fully utilised, the balance not used is refunded to farmers in the subsequent financial year, hence this reimbursement.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/press/pressreleases/2017/june/title,108686,en.html

ruwithme

barnaman wrote: »

Lads read the terms!!!

"In the context of the annual budgetary procedure of the European Union, the financial discipline mechanism which is implemented by the Member States involves a monetary deduction from some direct payments thereby creating a financial Crisis Reserve for the European Union. The crisis reserve is intended to provide additional support for the agricultural sector in the case of major crises affecting agricultural production or distribution. In the event that the Crisis Reserve is not activated in the financial year, or it is not fully utilised, the balance not used is refunded to farmers in the subsequent financial year, hence this reimbursement.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/press/pressreleases/2017/june/title,108686,en.html

Reads like we will get it all and more back with poor finished beef prices. things are looking up

barnaman

Yeah refund notmally comes back in July. But I wonder if BEAM scheme funded out of it??

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mine showing up for the 2nd but still no sign of the ANC:mad:

barnaman

Stop showing off your good farm of land Buford! Prob more mud on the jeep than out on the farm. Some of the lads on here hoping for a bit of relgious revial so they can flog some St Brigids crosses.

ANC delay normally not reaching stocking requirements. You have stock 12 months?

Hyland17

tellmeabit wrote: »

Showing here also. But a financial discipline showing... wasn't late, have more ground than claimed. What's up with that!?
Suppose ring and ask

Showing in greening and young farmer amounts

Is this your first year for young farmers? It's mine and I'm waiting for everything and nothing has changed on agfood

Buford T. Justice XIX

barnaman wrote: »

Stop showing off your good farm of land Buford! Prob more mud on the jeep than out on the farm. Some of the lads on here hoping for a bit of relgious revial so they can flog some St Brigids crosses.

ANC delay normally not reaching stocking requirements. You have stock 12 months?

Yeah, everything in order. Getting kicked out of it so they're not even processing ours yet.

There'll be a fun canvass here when the election is called.

whelan2

Was talking to a friend the other night. He is in the same boat as me no payments at all yet and he hasnt rang the department at all yet

mayota

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to a friend the other night. He is in the same boat as me no payments at all yet and he hasnt rang the department at all yet

He’s probably as far along as you. My Dad would be like that, would just wait. I’d have to ring.

whelan2

mayota wrote: »

He’s probably as far along as you. My Dad would be like that, would just wait. I’d have to ring.

He doesn't even know what the hold up is. I was going ring ffs

newholland mad

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to a friend the other night. He is in the same boat as me no payments at all yet and he hasnt rang the department at all yet

No money here either. But the difference here is I'm wore out ringing. Lady on Friday said that there's only a small % outstanding, ye right I thought. Seemingly these sat inspections are done by an outside company when I asked for a number for the satellite inspections department

whelan2

newholland mad wrote: »

No money here either. But the difference here is I'm wore out ringing. Lady on Friday said that there's only a small % outstanding, ye right I thought. Seemingly these sat inspections are done by an outside company when I asked for a number for the satellite inspections department

There seems to be a big backlog on the satellite inspections. Apparently they are coming back regularly. I will ring next week and be a bit firmer as the main payment date will be passed

Neddyusa

whelan2 wrote: »

He doesn't even know what the hold up is. I was going ring ffs

Unfortunately Mayota is right - the call-centre people on the end of the phone are not able to change anything. In fact they can see very little more detail than you would yourself on Agfood!
Your neighbour who never rang is just as far on.
The only way to get your case bumped up the queue is pressure from a good TD. That's what i'd recommended.
Hope you get it before Christmas anyway.

whelan2

Neddyusa wrote: »

Unfortunately Mayota is right - the call-centre people on the end of the phone are not able to change anything. In fact they can see very little more detail than you would yourself on Agfood!
Your neighbour who never rang is just as far on.
The only way to get your case bumped up the queue is pressure from a good TD. That's what i'd recommended.
Hope you get it before Christmas anyway.

No politician or anyone can speed up the satellite inspection

Mortelaro

whelan2 wrote: »

No politician or anyone can speed up the satellite inspection

True but to be fair,its politicians that created the process
Ergo it is them that need to be lobbied to make it a fairer system, a reasonable one

Now a question for everyone

The balance of my bps is being shown as paid
But no sign of the balance of ANC,either in amounts due or in amounts paid

What's the story there? Can anyone see the balance of their anc and where?

Neddyusa

whelan2 wrote: »

No politician or anyone can speed up the satellite inspection

The satellite inspections were done months ago now.
It's the dept and mapping company staff you're waiting on now to update your BPS map based on the inspection outcome to enable payment.

Neddyusa

Mortelaro wrote: »

True but to be fair,its politicians that created the process
Ergo it is them that need to be lobbied to make it a fairer system, a reasonable one

Now a question for everyone

The balance of my bps is being shown as paid
But no sign of the balance of ANC,either in amounts due or in amounts paid

What's the story there? Can anyone see the balance of their anc and where?

No sign of it yet.
Was due to "commence ANC balancing payments from early December"
Going on past DAFM form with changes to payment dates - that could be any time in the next three months!
You'll get warning anyway because Creed will be out with a self-congratatory press release the week before.
On another note - with your 6 week winter's and good ground - how are you in an ANC area?!

whelan2

Neddyusa wrote: »

The satellite inspections were done months ago now.
It's the dept and mapping company staff you're waiting on now to update your BPS map based on the inspection outcome to enable payment.

It is outsourced, they commenced in June filed are coming back daily. On my application it no longer says the department are dealing with outstanding issues

Mortelaro

Neddyusa wrote: »

No sign of it yet.
Was due to "commence ANC balancing payments from early December"
Going on past DAFM form with changes to payment dates - that could be any time in the next three months!
You'll get warning anyway because Creed will be out with a self-congratatory press release the week before.
On another note - with your 6 week winter's and good ground - how are you in an ANC area?!

Good question
Was added this year
More like 12 week winter this year tho or 16

tellmeabit

Hyland17 wrote: »

Is this your first year for young farmers? It's mine and I'm waiting for everything and nothing has changed on agfood

Nope 2nd year.

Hyland17

tellmeabit wrote: »

Nope 2nd year.

Did you have to wait long last year? And did you apply to national reserve?

Qprmeath

Re Glas
I've been thrown out of the scheme and already lost one appeal so I would probably leave appealing any small deductions alone. Already had to pay back last years Glas payment and got nothing this year. Seems to be no leeway on original harsh decision.

tellmeabit

Hyland17 wrote: »

Did you have to wait long last year? And did you apply to national reserve?

No had submitted all in May. And got it in Dec. No application to reserver.

Hyland17

Good to hear. Hopefully this week will have some news for me.

dohc turbo2

Balancing payment on agfood showing payment for tomo .

MIKEKC

Qprmeath wrote: »

Re Glas
I've been thrown out of the scheme and already lost one appeal so I would probably leave appealing any small deductions alone. Already had to pay back last years Glas payment and got nothing this year. Seems to be no leeway on original harsh decision.

You say the original decision was harsh. In fairness most people say that when a decision goes against them. Could you elaborate so people could give an opinion?

kevthegaff

When is the balancing of the anc due?

Qprmeath

MIKEKC wrote: »

You say the original decision was harsh. In fairness most people say that when a decision goes against them. Could you elaborate so people could give an opinion?

In September 2018 I sowed 40 odd acres of catch crops. Grubbed the ground spread it with a spinner. A month later I had an inspection. The inspector could see crop was sown but wasn't happy with its growth. I live in the driest part of the country and there was no significant rainfall between crop sowing and inspection. If inspection was a month later fields were all green as grass. As it's a primary measure they threw me out. Was told if decision May 19 got told Friday first appeal failed, have three months to appeal again.

Mortelaro

kevthegaff wrote: »

When is the balancing of the anc due?

Early December it says on the agfood news roller
It's the first time they've done a balancing for Anc
So as usual shur when they get round to it
They've probably forgotten

mayota

Qprmeath wrote: »

In September 2018 I sowed 40 odd acres of catch crops. Grubbed the ground spread it with a spinner. A month later I had an inspection. The inspector could see crop was sown but wasn't happy with its growth. I live in the driest part of the country and there was no significant rainfall between crop sowing and inspection. If inspection was a month later fields were all green as grass. As it's a primary measure they threw me out. Was told if decision May 19 got told Friday first appeal failed, have three months to appeal again.

That’s tough. Contact IFA Centre if you haven’t already done so.

whelan2

Report has been done on my satellite inspection . Should be sorted soon

Sugarbowl

whelan2 wrote: »

Report has been done on my satellite inspection . Should be sorted soon

Do you think you will lose some eligible land after satellite inspection? I was in your position a few years back - all my money came in just before Christmas and I lost just under 2 hectares off my map.

whelan2

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Do you think you will lose some eligible land after satellite inspection? I was in your position a few years back - all my money came in just before Christmas and I lost just under 2 hectares off my map.

From looking on my entitlements this morning it's looking like I will lose 0.1 hectare. I can live with that

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

From looking on my entitlements this morning it's looking like I will lose 0.1 hectare. I can live with that

At an average entitlement of 250/ha, they just delayed your payments for months for 25 euro.

There has to be a better way than that to sort out possible errors.

MIKEKC

Qprmeath wrote: »

In September 2018 I sowed 40 odd acres of catch crops. Grubbed the ground spread it with a spinner. A month later I had an inspection. The inspector could see crop was sown but wasn't happy with its growth. I live in the driest part of the country and there was no significant rainfall between crop sowing and inspection. If inspection was a month later fields were all green as grass. As it's a primary measure they threw me out. Was told if decision May 19 got told Friday first appeal failed, have three months to appeal again.

Definitely harsh, hard to believe he didn't give the crop another month and check it again

Mooooo

Got the txt for payment from dafm

6600

Have gotten 100% of the BPS but no greening yet, don't know why.

mr.stonewall

whelan2 wrote: »

From looking on my entitlements this morning it's looking like I will lose 0.1 hectare. I can live with that

Absolute joke from the department. Surely their should be a graded scale system that payments with such a small reduction applied to them are fast tracked. Unnecessary stress on farms and a big hit to cashflow

whelan2

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Absolute joke from the department. Surely their should be a graded scale system that payments with such a small reduction applied to them are fast tracked. Unnecessary stress on farms and a big hit to cashflow

Does anyone know how often payment runs will be made from now on?

newholland mad

Qprmeath wrote: »

In September 2018 I sowed 40 odd acres of catch crops. Grubbed the ground spread it with a spinner. A month later I had an inspection. The inspector could see crop was sown but wasn't happy with its growth. I live in the driest part of the country and there was no significant rainfall between crop sowing and inspection. If inspection was a month later fields were all green as grass. As it's a primary measure they threw me out. Was told if decision May 19 got told Friday first appeal failed, have three months to appeal again.

Had you got the seed labels from the bags. Usually they are the first thing they check as proof of purchase and ask questions after that.

wrangler

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Absolute joke from the department. Surely their should be a graded scale system that payments with such a small reduction applied to them are fast tracked. Unnecessary stress on farms and a big hit to cashflow

They won't know what the deduction is until the inspection, Payment date is 1 dec. october payment is a concession;
Ireland has 90% plus paid since Nov 1st, GB only started last week and that was because there's an election looming.
According to people here Creed would be better not to arrange the advance payment.

6600

whelan2 wrote: »

Does anyone know how often payment runs will be made from now on?

They told me I wouldn't have anything till 3rd Dec but have got all except greening by now. There's a lot of staff in the department with little else to be at I have heard with both glas and the suckler cow scheme coming to an end.
Time for a round of redundancies.

Tileman

Bps and greening and yfs showing up on Agfood and got the text.

whelan2

6600 wrote: »

They told me I wouldn't have anything till 3rd Dec but have got all except greening by now. There's a lot of staff in the department with little else to be at I have heard with both glas and the suckler cow scheme coming to an end.
Time for a round of redundancies.

Or new schemes....

Qprmeath

newholland mad wrote: »

Had you got the seed labels from the bags. Usually they are the first thing they check as proof of purchase and ask questions after that.

Yes, produced all the seed labels from the bags on day of inspection.

newholland mad

Qprmeath wrote: »

Yes, produced all the seed labels from the bags on day of inspection.

I'd be fighting that right up to the top. I know several cases where there was total crop failure but they had everything else in order and got passed no questions asked once a decent effort had been made

Attie Ross

BPS paid yesterday in bank.
Might get few beers and a chicken curry if all goes well.