Would you buy beside social housing?

Elessar

Well, would you?

Say you're in the market for a house and you've worked hard and saved for years to finally put down a deposit on a nice new 3 bed in a lovely new estate for you and your family, only to find out that the houses either side of you have been bought by the council for social housing use. What would you do?

Be honest.

Me, I would be looking elsewhere. I had this conversation with some friends recently and they were all in agreement, the risk of bad tenants is just too great. What do boardsies think?

listermint

Elessar wrote: »

Well, would you?

Say you're in the market for a house and you've worked hard and saved for years to finally put down a deposit on a nice new 3 bed in a lovely new estate for you and your family, only to find out that the houses either side of you have been bought by the council for social housing use. What would you do?

Be honest.

Me, I would be looking elsewhere. I had this conversation with some friends recently and they were all in agreement, the risk of bad tenants is just too great. What do boardsies think?

Grew up in social housing.

Am I a bad person?

Must be my degree and my wife's degree and our top rate tax jobs that make us bad.


Oh she grew up in social housing too. We own our own place now as do our parents. It was a great step start for everyone's life's.

Why do you hate people? Are you better than us ? Go on answer it be honest.

B_ecke_r

no choice if you're buying a new build

LuasSimon

Social housing in more recent times is often rewarding people who never did a days work in their life and expect the state to fund their family’s life’s . Drugs and crime are also common problems .

Meanwhile you work all your life and pay your way and have exactly the same house as these people .

Samuel T. Cogley

Bought in a mostly private owned and settled ex corporation estate and very few problems, in fact there is a nice sense of community. Would I buy a new build not knowing how much of it will be sold to me council and who will move in? Not a chance.

listermint

LuasSimon wrote: »

Social housing in more recent times is often rewarding people who never did a days work in their life and expect the state to fund their family’s life’s . Drugs and crime are also common problems .

Meanwhile you work all your life and pay your way and have exactly the same house as these people .

Ya any facts on this ?

Il presume you are aware that the overall majority of people living in social housing work have jobs and contribute. Or maybe your just a I'll informed Person.

That's ok but just admit it

B_ecke_r

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Bought in a mostly private owned and settled ex corporation estate and very few problems, in fact there is a nice sense of community. Would I buy a new build not knowing how much of it will be sold to me council and who will move in? Not a chance.

Am I right in saying it needs to be at least 30%? thought I read that but could be wrong

Sagats_knee

listermint wrote: »

Grew up in social housing.

Am I a bad person?

Must be my degree and my wife's degree and our top rate tax jobs that make us bad.


Oh she grew up in social housing too. We own our own place now as do our parents. It was a great step start for everyone's life's.

Why do you hate people? Are you better than us ? Go on answer it be honest.

I also grew up in social housing. And had the pleasure to live in social housing again in several areas as an adult with my wife.

I wouldn’t buy directly adjacent a council estate. For every normal decent family living there, there are absolute scumbags who are above the law to contend with.

We left social housing after we got tired of having our windows being stoned, our things being set on fire, our letterbox being stuffed with fireworks, our council neighbours above us bringing back the contents of the pub at closing time for a Skanger party complete with full DJ at 4 am during weekdays REGULARLY, the constant drug dealings and drugs related fueds going on outside, men on ladders smashing all the street lights at night and the cameras, people getting the absolute crap knocked out of them outside my front door, police refusing to come, drug dealer neighbors having their house smashed up, being threatened at knife point by another neighbour for asking him to lower his hard house music which was at nightclub levels regularly, people fly tipping in my garden, robbed cars being burnt out in front of the house, car windows and mirrors being smashed regularly, not being able to go outside when it’s dark, the list goes on and on and unless you lived it you wouldn’t believe the half of what went on.

The question isn’t about hate, it’s about wanting to live with decent people who have a sense of community and social responsibility, and while the majority of council tenants are just that, the ratio of Scumbag and drug dealer to normal people is too high in council areas. The government is a large scale enabler of these social issues. They can do what they want without repercussions and you have to suck it up and go to work, in order to keep funding their Skangers lifestyles.

armaghlad

LuasSimon wrote: »

Social housing in more recent times is often rewarding people who never did a days work in their life and expect the state to fund their family’s life’s . Drugs and crime are also common problems .

Meanwhile you work all your life and pay your way and have exactly the same house as these people .

And people who physically can’t work? Or have a debilitating illness which restricts their ability to work full time and be eligible for a mortgage? Or maybe one of their kids is severely disabled and they have to provide full time care for them? I’ll say one thing about threads like this, it never ceases to amaze me the number of snobby reprobates that post on boards

Elessar

listermint wrote: »

Grew up in social housing.

Am I a bad person?

Must be my degree and my wife's degree and our top rate tax jobs that make us bad.


Oh she grew up in social housing too. We own our own place now as do our parents. It was a great step start for everyone's life's.

Why do you hate people? Are you better than us ? Go on answer it be honest.

The SJW rage is strong with this one.

Calm down. Don't make assumptions about me, I don't hate anyone. I am simply asking a question (which you didn't answer). I have family who also grew up in social housing. But my own experience of some of the people who get placed into these housing units is worse than my experience of those who do not. That is just my experience. Based on that, and not knowing who could possibly live next to me from this group, I would not buy a house next to council housing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

It's a simple question.

Samuel T. Cogley

armaghlad wrote: »

And people who physically can’t work? Or have a debilitating illness which restricts their ability to work full time and be eligible for a mortgage? Or maybe one of their kids is severely disabled and they have to provide full time care for them? I’ll say one thing about threads like this, it never ceases to amaze me the number of snobby reprobates that post on boards

Don't worry the amount of inverted snobs cancels them out.

listermint

Sagats_knee wrote: »

I also grew up in social housing. And had the pleasure to live in social housing again in several areas as an adult with my wife.

I wouldn’t by buy directly adjacent a council estate. For every normal decent family living there, there are absolute scumbags who are above the law to contend with.

We left social housing after we got tired of having our windows being stoned, our things being set on fire, our letterbox being stuffed with fireworks, our council neighbours above us bringing back the contents of the pub at closing time for a Skanger party complete with full DJ at 4 am during weekdays REGULARLY, the constant drug dealings and drugs related fuels going on outside including - men on ladders smashing all the street lights at night and the cameras, People getting the absolute crap knocked out of them outside my front door, police refusing to come, drug dealer neighbors having their house smashed up, being threatened at knife point by another neighbour for asking him to lower his hard house music which was at nightclub levels regularly, people fly tipping in my bloody garden, robbed cars being burnt out in front of the house, the list goes on and on.

The question isn’t about hate, it’s about wanting to live with decent people who have a sense of community and social responsibility, and while the majority of council tenants are just that, the ratio of Scumbag and drug dealer to normal people is too high incouncil areas. They can do what they want without repercussions and you have to suck it up and go to work, in order to keep funding their Skangers lifestyles.

That's gas because alot of drug dealers live in private estates. And our neighbors in the last private estate used to blare Neil diamond at all hours once a month. She was a middle aged teaching assistant divorcee. No talking to her.

She paid for her house in full.

She's what you'd call good stock I suppose.

And there was another drug dealer shot in the head as he came out of his parents house. Bang bang. Ran a drug business from his das company. Good stock the family. Idiot son.


Private estate well off. South Dublin.


Mad isn't it. How these things aren't restricted to social housing areas.

Deebles McBeebles

No, I would not. Given the choice, why would anyone take that chance?

Now, I'd better get back to my top rate tax job.

listermint

Elessar wrote: »

The SJW rage is strong with this one.

Calm down. Don't make assumptions about me, I don't hate anyone. I am simply asking a question (which you didn't answer). I have family who also grew up in social housing. But my own experience of some of the people who get placed into these housing units is worse than my experience of those who do not. That is just my experience. Based on that, and not knowing who could possibly live next to me from this group, I would not buy a house next to council housing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

It's a simple question.

It's a deliberate wind up thread. There's one a week. You think you are clever but it's boring.


Just pointing that out. Everyone's entitled to their opinion as they say


SJW rage ? Listen pal. I know you've scanned he internet and come up with new interesting words to call people but it doesn't make you any less boring.

.....I know what Ill do... Il start a thread on social housing in hours. That's refreshing.




Lol.

Samuel T. Cogley

B_ecke_r wrote: »

Am I right in saying it needs to be at least 30%? thought I read that but could be wrong

I thought it was 10% but tbh I haven't really a clue

The only thing I do know is if they can't shift um the flog loads to the council.

listermint

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I thought it was 10% but tbh I haven't really a clue

The only thing I do know is if they can't shift um the flog loads to the council.

It's whatever percentage is enough to bring rage to the OP.

They number . Argghhh working people getting 'free houses' argghhh grrrrr

Sagats_knee

listermint wrote: »

That's gas because alot of drug dealers live in private estates. And our neighbors in the last private estate used to blare Neil diamond at all hours once a month. She was a middle aged teaching assistant divorcee. No talking to her.

She paid for her house in full.

She's what you'd call good stock I suppose.

And there was another drug dealer shot in the head as he came out of his parents house. Bang bang. Ran a drug business from his das company. Good stock the family. Idiot son.


Private estate well off. South Dublin.


Mad isn't it. How these things aren't restricted to social housing areas.

Yes they do live in private areas, that doesn’t negate anything I’ve said.

The low level dealers and scum that actually sell and handle the stuff, including the kids they recruit are predominantly in social housing areas.

I worked very hard to get out of those areas, not a chance after saving for years for a deposit I’d be moving back into the same areas.

Too many animals living there. I was attacked once for wearing a suit going to an interview ffs. “ Look at yer man wearing trousers he thinks he’s great” Que bottle in the head for me. Yeah no thanks you can shove your faux virtue signalling. There’s a reason people work hard to get out of these sink estate kips.

DuckSlice

LuasSimon wrote: »

Social housing in more recent times is often rewarding people who never did a days work in their life and expect the state to fund their family’s life’s . Drugs and crime are also common problems .

Meanwhile you work all your life and pay your way and have exactly the same house as these people .

Maybe you should get a better job and build a house somewhere you wouldn't have these worries.

Tikki Wang Wang

Elessar wrote: »

Well, would you?

Say you're in the market for a house and you've worked hard and saved for years to finally put down a deposit on a nice new 3 bed in a lovely new estate for you and your family, only to find out that the houses either side of you have been bought by the council for social housing use. What would you do?

Be honest.

Me, I would be looking elsewhere. I had this conversation with some friends recently and they were all in agreement, the risk of bad tenants is just too great. What do boardsies think?

Nah don’t want to live next to lazy scum for the most part

listermint

Sagats_knee wrote: »

Yes they do live in private areas, that doesn’t negate anything I’ve said.

The low level dealers and scum that actually sell and handle the stuff, including the kids they recruit are predominantly in social housing areas.

I worked very hard to get out of those areas, not a chance after saving for years for a deposit I’d be moving back into the same areas.

Too many animals living there. I was attacked once for wearing a suit going to an interview ffs. “ Look at yer man wearing trousers he thinks he’s great” Que bottle in the head for me. Yeah no thanks you can shove your faux virtue signalling. There’s a reason people work hard to get out of these sink estate kips.

SJW , check


Virtue signalling, check.


Your really winning this internet prize today. Keep going.

Edgware

armaghlad wrote: »

And people who physically can’t work? Or have a debilitating illness which restricts their ability to work full time and be eligible for a mortgage? Or maybe one of their kids is severely disabled and they have to provide full time care for them? I’ll say one thing about threads like this, it never ceases to amaze me the number of snobby reprobates that post on boards

Its not unreasonable that people who work hard, save a big deposit and take on a life long mortgage should expect that they would have a quiet life and not have to put up with wasters, dirtbirds disrupting their lifestyle.
The thousands of decent people living in social housing have to put up with criminal behavior, public disorder etc from the usual scruff because the council take years to act. Its not snobbery to try and avoid this.

ELM327

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

No, I would not. Given the choice, why would anyone take that chance?

Now, I'd better get back to my top rate tax job.

+1 This tbh

Spleerbun

listermint wrote: »

SJW , check


Virtue signalling, check.


Your really winning this internet prize today. Keep going.

Fantastic counter argument

listermint

Spleerbun wrote: »

Fantastic counter argument

Who needs to counter when someone straight away drifts to name calling.

It's not a credible starting point for a debate.

Why bother.

Sagats_knee

listermint wrote: »

SJW , check


Virtue signalling, check.


Your really winning this internet prize today. Keep going.

I’m the one who made actual points pertinent to the topic instead of just trying to wind people up like you are. How about you make a rational argument as to why you think hard working people paying through their noses for their houses should have to contend with the type of council estate antisocial behaviour I illustrated ?

I gave you a list of examples of stuff I had to deal with living in your wonderful council estates. How about you tell me why those examples are ok, as you say “drug dealers live on the south’s side too”, how is that a counter argument?

listermint

Sagats_knee wrote: »

I’m the one who made actual points pertinent to the topic instead of just trying to wind people up like you are. How about you make a rational argument as to why you think hard working people paying through their noses for their houses should have to contend with the type of council estate antisocial behaviour I illustrated ?

I gave you a list of examples of stuff I had to deal with living in your wonderful council estates. How about you tell me why those examples are ok, as you say “drug dealers live on the south’s side too”, how is that a counter argument?

How about you don't use terms like virtue signalling it makes a mockery of the points you raised.

I already gave points as to why social housing is good. I'm an example of it.

So why do I need a counter argument?

You ignored what I said in my OP but sure look that's obvious you got your name calling in.

listermint

Also the premise of the thread is is questionable. Because buying a new house in a new estate. You'd have no idea if the owners to the left or right of you were SDCC . You wouldn't have a clue. So there's that.


So I guess don't buy a new house at all is the thing we really need to drive home.

listermint

Your quite an angry individual.

Do you let these experiences design your life? I told you my neighbor was a bint for her all night parties.

I've been attacked in an upmarket area by feral kids in their teens all from well off families.

Your experiences are not limited to those areas.Nor do I wine about them and take them with me everywhere I go.

**** happens.

My point stands. You wouldn't have a clue if the houses had tenants in them or owners. So your prejudices wouldn't matter.

banie01

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Would I buy a new build not knowing how much of it will be sold to me council and who will move in? Not a chance.

Buying in a new build estate has never appealed to me.
The sense of community that comes as part and parcel of older and more settled estates is lost, and given the attitudes displayed by many people...
It is unfortunately not likely to ever be built when people are wondering whether their neighbours are social tenants and feeling a little resentful that they are getting a cheap home whilst "we" worked hard for ours.

I grew up on a council estate, and after returning home from a few years abroad in the early 00's my partner and I lived in a council property for a few years, indeed our son's 1st him was a council bungalow before we bought our house.

The old model of giant local authority estates is ghettoisation.
Social mobility is best fostered by raising standards and integration.
Not by isolation and labelling.

listermint

banie01 wrote: »

Buying in a new build estate has never appealed to me.
The sense of community that comes as part and parcel of older and more settled estates is lost, and given the attitudes displayed by many people...
It is unfortunately not likely to ever be built when people are wondering whether their neighbours are social tenants and feeling a little resentful that they are getting a cheap home whilst "we" worked hard for ours.

I grew up on a council estate, and after returning home from a few years abroad in the early 00's my partner and I lived in a council property for a few years, indeed our son's 1st him was a council bungalow before we bought our house.

The old model of giant local authority estates is ghettoisation.
Social mobility is best fostered by raising standards and integration.
Not by isolation and labelling.

Spot on.


Bingo.

_Brian

No way.
Social housing on the 70’s was a place where decent hard working people got access to affordable housing.

Fast forward to today and an huge proportion of people in social housing are a bunch of degenerate entitled knackers with no respect for themselves never mind anyone unfortunate enough to be living beside them.

I’m not saying all, but it’s a huge number and the risk of ending up beside them and them making life a misery along with destroying the value of your house are too high.

mariaalice

If it was owned by a housing associating no problem, if it was owned by the local council I might hesitate a bit.

About 20 years ago being a lone parent I purchased a house, on one side of me were a couple in a two-bed house he drove a van of some kind not sure what she did, at first he was very particular with me then I realised he thought I was renting and was afraid renting to loan parents in the estate = The value of his property would go down and buying his house might not = getting a ticket to some middlle class paradise. It's a kind of sad way to view life.

JohnnyFlash

Nah. I wouldn’t buy just because of that, but it certainly wouldn’t help. Using Dublin as an example, I wouldn’t buy in any part of West Dublin, or in places like Clongriffin, Balbriggan either. Chances of living beside a dole bunny or skobie would be far too high.

corner of hells

mariaalice wrote: »

If it was owned by a housing associating no problem, if it was owned by the local council I might hesitate a bit.

About 20 years ago being a lone parent I purchased a house, on one side of me were a couple in a two-bed house he drove a van of some kind not sure what she did, at first he was very particular with me then I realised he thought i was renting and was afraid renting to loan parents in the estate = The value of his property would go down and buying his house might not = getting a ticket to some middlle class paradise. It's a kind of a sad way to view life.

A significant amount of social housing is being ran by housing associations, being strictly managed with estate management checks nowadays.

Infernal Racket

listermint wrote: »

SJW , check


Virtue signalling, check.


Your really winning this internet prize today. Keep going.

I think you've been triggered listermint

jack842

banie01 wrote: »

Buying in a new build estate has never appealed to me.
The sense of community that comes as part and parcel of older and more settled estates is lost, and given the attitudes displayed by many people...
It is unfortunately not likely to ever be built when people are wondering whether their neighbours are social tenants and feeling a little resentful that they are getting a cheap home whilst "we" worked hard for ours.

I grew up on a council estate, and after returning home from a few years abroad in the early 00's my partner and I lived in a council property for a few years, indeed our son's 1st him was a council bungalow before we bought our house.

The old model of giant local authority estates is ghettoisation.
Social mobility is best fostered by raising standards and integration.
Not by isolation and labelling.

I don't think that is quite true, i bought a new build house a few years ago and there is a great community spirit. I know most of the people in the estate through various private facebook and whatsapp groups. Because people buying were mostly all the same age with young families we have 5 a side teams set up, book clubs, exercise groups, security groups, the lads all meetup for pints in the local every few months. I would doubt in a older more settled estate you would get that. You would be lucky to know your neighbours more than 2 houses to the sides of you.



As with all new estates 10% was built social and affordable housing. You could actually see the social housing locations in the estate on the planning documents on the council website before you buy if you really felt the need to check.

Gregor Samsa

Both my parents were born in council houses. I have one friend lives in social housing. He works as a chef. You couldn't meet a nicer guy.

The private houses either side of me both had rent paying tenants in them previously. Had trouble from both of them at various times. No trouble most of the time.

Bottom line is you can never pick your neighbours.

ted1

Elessar wrote: »

Well, would you?

Say you're in the market for a house and you've worked hard and saved for years to finally put down a deposit on a nice new 3 bed in a lovely new estate for you and your family, only to find out that the houses either side of you have been bought by the council for social housing use. What would you do?

Be honest.

Me, I would be looking elsewhere. I had this conversation with some friends recently and they were all in agreement, the risk of bad tenants is just too great. What do boardsies think?

No.

Salthillprom

The majority of social housing homes unemployed people. Not all, the majority. I read a recent Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government report that contained the statistics. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure a quick Google will produce it.

So yes, I have a massive problem with houses being provided for and built for absolute lazy oafs. People should not get dole for free and then use this free money to pay nominal 'rent' for free properties. There should be a programme whereby people who claim my tax money as their dole should be out cleaning up the environment or helping the environment or contributing back to society in some way.

I have a huge issue with the fact that some people do an honest day's work and pay back large sums monthly on their mortgages and two doors down, there's a family with 9 kids getting free housing and wrecking the place.

I also have a problem with one parent or two parent families with lesser numbers of kids by the way who get free housing. Get off your a$$es and get jobs like the rest of us. If your job isn't paying you enough to live where you can afford then upskill or move elsewhere. But to expect and take social housing is in my opinion just bone laziness. I'm not referring to people who through illness or caring cannot work and therefore don't earn enough.

I'm also sick of paying taxes to fund families who produce huge numbers of children and are an 'ethnic minority' and who clog up our A&E's, who have the biggest percentage of their people in jail, even though they only account for 4% of our population. Yup, them. Huge problem. Absolute freeloaders

touts

Had that option. When we were moving a few years ago we found a house that seemed great. Large. 4 bedrooms. Well speced out. Estate was relatively new only about 3-4 years old. It was around the price of a 3 bed elsewhere in the locality. Seemed too good to be true.

Researched it on line. Turned out just around the corner there were a number of a social housing units. That address regularly popped up on the courts reports. Only a couple of family names but there were about 5 cases reported in local media over the previous 2 years. Went back for a drive around and found that area around the corner was part of the same overall building project but looked like a different world. Rubbish around the green space. A couple of caravans in driveways. Souped up cars with noisy exhausts. Houses were no older than the one we were looking at but several looked in need of repair already and gardens overgrown. We waited until evening and parked across from the house we were thinking of buying. Cars came speeding past with roaring engines. Groups of teenagers hanging around. Eventually a couple of young lads (8ish) walked up to us and asked if we were guards. We said no and said we were thinking of buying the house. They laughed and walked off.

We paid 50k more for a house in another estate with no social housing and never looked back.

Wanderer78

Salthillprom wrote:

I'm also sick of paying taxes to fund families who produce huge numbers of children and are an 'ethnic minority' and who clog up our A&E's, who have the biggest percentage of their people in jail, even though they only account for 4% of our population. Yup, them. Huge problem. Absolute freeloaders

You probably should do some research into the root causes of long term unemployment, or you could of course continue with your ignorance

Raconteuse

listermint wrote: »

Grew up in social housing.

Am I a bad person?

Must be my degree and my wife's degree and our top rate tax jobs that make us bad.


Oh she grew up in social housing too. We own our own place now as do our parents. It was a great step start for everyone's life's.

Why do you hate people? Are you better than us ? Go on answer it be honest.

The hilarity of you calling someone angry when you're losing your sh1t on this thread.

What a knee-jerk, dishonest, misrepresentative post.

Nobody said anyone who lives in social housing is a bad person - that's you putting words in their mouth. Nobody indicated hating people or stated that they are better than them. Who gives a sh1t if you've degrees and good jobs and own your own home? That's got nothing to do with the question posited. Do you and your wife live in a mostly council estate still, btw?

Nobody with a brain cell thinks everyone who lives in social housing is scum. The vast majority obviously aren't. But the odds of anti social behaviour in social housing are higher and you know it. Most people who live in social housing know it and acknowledge it and many do what they can to move out.

And not every council estate has troublesome tenants making life hell for their neighbours - particularly the more mature estates, but stubborn denial (due to imagined insults) of the fact that overall the risk of anti social behaviour is higher, is pointless.

And responding to the list of factors given by the other poster with "you get that in private housing too" - very poor arguing. We can all give examples of individual incidents, but no, the level of hell described by that poster obviously is not gonna be found just anywhere.

listermint

Salthillprom wrote: »

The majority of social housing homes unemployed people. Not all, the majority. I read a recent Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government report that contained the statistics. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure a quick Google will produce it.

So yes, I have a massive problem with houses being provided for and built for absolute lazy oafs. People should not get dole for free and then use this free money to pay nominal 'rent' for free properties. There should be a programme whereby people who claim my tax money as their dole should be out cleaning up the environment or helping the environment or contributing back to society in some way.

I have a huge issue with the fact that some people do an honest day's work and pay back large sums monthly on their mortgages and two doors down, there's a family with 9 kids getting free housing and wrecking the place.

I also have a problem with one parent or two parent families with lesser numbers of kids by the way who get free housing. Get off your a$$es and get jobs like the rest of us. If your job isn't paying you enough to live where you can afford then upskill or move elsewhere. But to expect and take social housing is in my opinion just bone laziness. I'm not referring to people who through illness or caring cannot work and therefore don't earn enough.

I'm also sick of paying taxes to fund families who produce huge numbers of children and are an 'ethnic minority' and who clog up our A&E's, who have the biggest percentage of their people in jail, even though they only account for 4% of our population. Yup, them. Huge problem. Absolute freeloaders

This is not true.

The majority of social housing does not have unemployed people in it.


How are people allowed to put out absolute lies without facts.

Your gas.

Cyrus

banie01 wrote: »

Buying in a new build estate has never appealed to me.
The sense of community that comes as part and parcel of older and more settled estates is lost, and given the attitudes displayed by many people...
It is unfortunately not likely to ever be built when people are wondering whether their neighbours are social tenants and feeling a little resentful that they are getting a cheap home whilst "we" worked hard for ours.

I grew up on a council estate, and after returning home from a few years abroad in the early 00's my partner and I lived in a council property for a few years, indeed our son's 1st him was a council bungalow before we bought our house.

The old model of giant local authority estates is ghettoisation.
Social mobility is best fostered by raising standards and integration.
Not by isolation and labelling.

i live in a new estate and there is a brilliant sense of community, everyone moved in at the same time, everyone helps everyone out, the ladies have a book club, the lads meet for pints every now and again.

so your point about a sense of community being lost isnt well made.

we don't have any social units however, and i wouldn't have bought here if we did.

listermint

Raconteuse wrote: »

The hilarity of you calling someone angry when you're losing your sh1t on this thread.

What a knee-jerk, dishonest, misrepresentative post.

Nobody said anyone who lives in social housing is a bad person - that's you putting words in their mouth. Nobody indicated hating people or stated that they are better than them. Who gives a sh1t if you've degrees and good jobs and own your own home? That's got nothing to do with the question posited. Do you and your wife live in a mostly council estate still, btw?

Nobody with a brain cell thinks everyone who lives in social housing is scum. The vast majority obviously aren't. But the odds of anti social behaviour in social housing are higher and you know it. Most people who live in social housing know it and acknowledge it and many do what they can to move out.

And not every council estate has troublesome tenants making life hell for their neighbours - particularly the more mature estates, but stubborn denial (due to imagined insults) of the fact that overall the risk of anti social behaviour is higher, is pointless.

And responding to the list of factors given by the other poster with "you get that in private housing too" - very poor arguing. We can all give examples of individual incidents, but no, the level of hell described by that poster obviously is not gonna be found just anywhere.

Irony is lost on you.


As others have pointed out. You can't pick your neighbors. The scenario outlined in the opening posts isn't reality.

This is just another one of 'those' threads simple as that . And it invites on the same oil miscrients who use them and us to Stoke division.


Boring.

ELM327

touts wrote: »

Had that option. When we were moving a few years ago we found a house that seemed great. Large. 4 bedrooms. Well speced out. Estate was relatively new only about 3-4 years old. It was around the price of a 3 bed elsewhere in the locality. Seemed too good to be true.

Researched it on line. Turned out just around the corner there were a number of a social housing units. That address regularly popped up on the courts reports. Only a couple of family names but there were about 5 cases reported in local media over the previous 2 years. Went back for a drive around and found that area around the corner was part of the same overall building project but looked like a different world. Rubbish around the green space. A couple of caravans in driveways. Souped up cars with noisy exhausts. Houses were no older than the one we were looking at but several looked in need of repair already and gardens overgrown. We waited until evening and parked across from the house we were thinking of buying. Cars came speeding past with roaring engines. Groups of teenagers hanging around. Eventually a couple of young lads (8ish) walked up to us and asked if we were guards. We said no and said we were thinking of buying the house. They laughed and walked off.

We paid 50k more for a house in another estate with no social housing and never looked back.

Problem is, your reality (and mine for that matter) will be screeched at by SJW (including some on this thread) that fail to realise that equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome.


Given the chance, why would I pay 220k for a house beside the problem people you describe when I could pay 30-50k more and move to a nicer neighborhood. It's what I'm doing now. We live in an estate where there are some social housing and some others rented to people on HAP. Thankfully it's not near us so we don't get the noise problem but when seemingly endless crowds of unwashed children surge towards our part of the estate with no regard for property (public or private) you can tell instantly which part of the estate they are from.

listermint

Cyrus wrote: »

i live in a new estate and there is a brilliant sense of community, everyone moved in at the same time, everyone helps everyone out, the ladies have a book club, the lads meet for pints every now and again.

so your point about a sense of community being lost isnt well made.

we don't have any social units however, and i wouldn't have bought here if we did.

You wouldn't know and you aren't entitled to know either.

But I'm sure it's probably accurate in your circumstances just pointing out in general

Deebles McBeebles

Raconteuse wrote: »

Who gives a sh1t if you've degrees and good jobs and own your own home?

I assumed he just wanted to put it out there.

Glad I didnt bother replying now, you took the words right out of my mouth and saved me 5 mins of typing.

listermint

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I assumed he just wanted to put it out there.

Glad I didnt bother replying now, you took the words right out of my mouth and saved me 5 mins of typing.

I suppose it corrects the narrative that people in or coming from social housing are scum



Over to you deebies....

Cyrus

listermint wrote: »

I suppose it corrects the narrative that people in or coming from social housing are scum



Over to you deebies....

but you have already made the point that there are bad people in all sorts of estates / communities so having a degree and a top rate tax job hardly corrects the narrative then does it?

Are you saying that you cant be scum if you have a degree and earn the average wage (which would just about make you a top rate tax payer).

listermint

Cyrus wrote: »

but you have already made the point that there are bad people in all sorts of estates / communities so having a degree and a top rate tax job hardly corrects the narrative then does it?

Are you saying that you cant be scum if you have a degree and earn the average wage (which would just about make you a top rate tax payer).

I'm not.

I suppose anyone can be scum.

Fair point well made.

Il change that to he narrative that everyone in social housing is a layabout unemployment oaf