Free Fall thread

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

Again cheerful, you have a poor grasp of reading and writing, and you have a tendency to invent and misinterpret things in a very ridiculous way. You often out right lie.

Absolutely no one accepts that you are accurately representing what Mick West says.

You keep spewing out all this random obsessive nonsense, but you aren't able to address any points put to you.
You keep running away from them and at this stage you've lapped yourself several times over.

Cheerful has obviously only listened to 20 seconds or so and not the follow up. And nothing 10 minutes after. Its hilarious to read. No attention span whatsoever.

King Mob

The Nal wrote: »

Cheerful has obviously only listened to 20 seconds or so and not the follow up. And nothing 10 minutes after. Its hilarious to read. No attention span whatsoever.

I think it's mostly likely because it's something the guys at AE9/11 have been jumping on cause they're also desperate to get Mick West.

Wouldn't be shocked if cheeful never actually listened to the podcast at all.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Video is there for people who want to hear the truth. Don't be fooled by the debunkers on here. Listen to the video at 24 minutes.

Again, no one is going to do that cheerful.
You have no credibility and no one cares about what Mick West says (or more likely didn't say.)

Everyone can however see you dodging points, ranting incoherently and generally making a show of yourself and your follow conspiracy theorists.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

Cheerful has obviously only listened to 20 seconds or so and not the follow up. And nothing 10 minutes after. Its hilarious to read. No attention span whatsoever.

Two minutes.
Mick recognizing that one connection ( A2001 girder) could not have slipped from its seat connection at column 79.
Debunkers are shaken by facts here. Its often the case with complicated events they don’t understand.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Two minutes.
Mick recognizing that one connection ( A2001 girder) could not have slipped from its seat connection at column 79.
Debunkers are shaken by facts here. Its often the case with complicated events they don’t understand.

You stopped listening after he said "in that limited case".

Hulseys fraudulent study has been a shambles from start to finish and hasn't made a dent in the dwindling truther community. If anything, its completely killed it off.

King Mob

The Nal wrote: »

You stopped listening after he said "in that limited case".

Hulseys fraudulent study has been a shambles from start to finish and hasn't made a dent in the dwindling truther community. If anything, its completely killed it off.

Have you noticed that cheerful barely mentions it any more?

Again I think it's cause AE9/11 have switched tactics since it came out as a wet fart. So rather than try to harp on about a study that not even they can defend, they're changing the focus and hoping that people will forget about it.
And all the donation money that they used on it...

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

Have you noticed that cheerful barely mentions it any more?

Again I think it's cause AE9/11 have switched tactics since it came out as a wet fart. So rather than try to harp on about a study that not even they can defend, they're changing the focus and hoping that people will forget about it.
And all the donation money that they used on it...

Kind of buried it alright yeah. Lots of "yeah but, yeah but" in the video above. At one point Szamboti says thats not what Hulsey meant to say and that hes in contact with Hulsey. So, just take his word for it I guess....

When hes not shouting when Mick West is making valid points.

From 1 hr 25 mins for 15 mins or so Mick has him on the back foot.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

You stopped listening after he said "in that limited case".

Hulseys fraudulent study has been a shambles from start to finish and hasn't made a dent in the dwindling truther community. If anything, its completely killed it off.

I watched the whole video. The minutes of the video i want people to watch here rips to shreds all the arguments debunkers have put forward here about AE911 truth work.

Mick West accepted and praised the work of AE911 truth. A valid argument: missing stiffeners, and web plate and others things. In this limited case you be right.

This limited case is the root cause for the total collapse according to NIST

Mick does not want that to be case since he knows the NIST work flawed there.
When the girder at column 79 is not pushed off its seated connection there can be no progressive collapse.

Mick is now moving goalposts that debunkers are not bright enough to see him doing this and claiming other girders on floor 13 lost connection first. This a a lie and big one at that.

NIST outlined the full collapse on floor 13 (quoted) Mick admits on video" a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column never occurred therefore he acknowledges the collapse hypothesis suggested by NIST was impossible.

Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column (- Limited case Mick version!,[/B] Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.

The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building's east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line-involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.

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King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Mick West accepted and praised the work of AE911 truth.

Cheerful. That's not true.
We know it's not true.

Who do you think is believing you here?

Cheerful Spring2

Mick own words: In that limited case does actually make a difference.

Watch the video people at 24 minutes.

Mick debunking NIST root analysis here.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Mick own words: In that limited case does actually make a difference.

Watch the video people at 24 minutes.

Mick debunking NIST root analysis here.

But cheerful, what does he say after that?
Where does he say he " accepted and praised the work of AE911 truth."

You have issues with understanding and writing things and you like to invent things that are rather silly.

Here it's very clear you're taking an out of context quote you don't understand the meaning of, and you're deciding it says things it doesn't because you are desperate to prove Mick West wrong.
The man appears to be some kind of boogeyman for you.

And again, he seems very active on his forum. Why not just discuss the issue with him directly?
Maybe he can clarify his statement for you.

Cheerful Spring2

We live in the trump era where people lie all the time. Some posters are experts. The video here for people who have some sanity left. Mick praising Ae911 work about the girder connection at column 79 after 24 minutes.

Debunkers will claim otherwise, nutty.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We live in the trump era where people lie all the time. Some posters are experts. The video here for people who have some sanity left. Mick praising Ae911 work about the girder connection at column 79 after 24 minutes.

Debunkers will claim otherwise, nutty.

You can keep spamming the video all you like, but it doesn't make points go away cheerful.

Please quote exactly where Mick West says he "accepted and praised the work of AE911 truth."
His exact words in full.

And again, this all seems a bit silly when you can just go talk to the guy on his forum.
Why clutter up this forum with your odd obsession with what he says?
No one else here really cares about his opinion.

You seem to be acting as if he was the skeptic leader and that whatever he says is disseminated through the hive mind.
You also seem to think that if you can catch him out, you can make all the thousands points you've dodged disappear.

Cheerful Spring2

My points are supported using the video evidence. Others can lie, can't help that!

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

My points are supported using the video evidence. Others can lie, can't help that!

Lol which is why you are avoiding quoting what you claimed he said...

Again cheerful, who are you talking to?
No one is buying this latest bizarre ramble of yours.

Cheerful Spring2

Kingmob. I not following you around and quoting your posts for weeks. I quote people i want to talk with. You have a special love for me admit you feelings, don't be shy

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Kingmob. I not following you around and quoting your posts for weeks. I quote people i want to talk with. You have a special love for me admit you feelings, don't be shy

I know you don't want to talk to me. You don't like answering questions and difficult points and you get very upset when it's pointed out how dishonest you are.

I have no special feelings about you one way or another I'm afraid.

Since we're being honest...
Why are you lying about what Mick West says?
We both know you are and there's little point in pretending otherwise.

So why?

Cheerful Spring2

My points are supported using the video evidence.

Kingmob i not speak with someone who lies. You said Mick did not praise the work of Ae911 after 24 minutes. I strongly disagree. Nevertheless you say i lied. Person who does this not worth my time, sorry

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

My points are supported using the video evidence.

Kingmob i not speak with someone who lies. You said Mick did not praise the work of Ae911 after 24 minutes. I strongly disagree. Nevertheless you say i lied. Person who does this not worth my time, sorry

But you keep avoid quoting where he says that.

Everyone knows why that is. Your cunning deception has failed.

Why do you have to be so dishonest to argue Mick West's stance behind his back?

Cheerful Spring2

two minutes- starts 24 minutes ends around the 26 minute mark.

Open your ears and listen and stop lying here.

Unfortunate other people don't comment here Does Mick West praise the AE911 work here after 24 minutes?. His the English guy for people who don't know and Tony, American.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

two minutes- starts 24 minutes ends around the 26 minute mark.

Open your ears and listen and stop lying here.
.

Cool. Quote him in full then.
But we know why you can't and won't.

So why are you being so dishonest about all of your beliefs?
Why do you dodge every single point?

Surely you realise this is what you are doing.
Have you never asked yourself why?

Dohnjoe

Do we have a fleshed out theory yet?

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Do we have a fleshed out theory yet?

I think the going theory is this:
A group of like maybe 30 people including the cabal of secret Nazis, Saudi princes and insurance brokers as well as Larry Silverstein all embarked on a plot to fake a terrorist attack for reasons unknown.
Possibly it was to start a war. Possibly it was for insurance money. Possible just for shots and giggles.

In preparation for this they decided to fly planes into various buildings to knock them down.
However they determined that doing so would be impossible so they would need to preplant explosives to cause the buildings to collapse. (Luckily one of these 20 guys was a genius architect and demolitions expert and he could figure that out and how to prepare the buildings for demolition.)

Next they needed some pilots. However apparently they had issues finding ones that were willing to sacrifice themselves and were good at flying. (Despite the plot requiring them to do neither) so they settled for some guys who were willing to die rather than good pilots.
What actual role and knowledge these guys had is unknown.
However the conspirators thought it would be a good idea to send them to flight school. They chose a school that was apparently a front for the CIA, but wasn't actually in on the plan and didn't have any issues blabbing to the press after the fact.

Next the conspirators sourced a highly experimental, never before used, silent explosive. They used many hundreds of tons of this along with many tons of conventional explosives to rig the various buildings for demolition. But they rigged it in a way that the collapse would look like a natural collapse due to fire despite them knowing such a thing would be impossible and look immediately suspect. And despite their best efforts to avoid it and despite using a completely unconventional method and material, the collapse still ended up looking exactly like a controlled demolition anyway. Whoopies.
Also this task was accomplished by (the same?) Twenty people over a few weekends completely in secret.

Then the day finally arrived. They flew two planes into the twin towers. But for some reason they decided to have the plane miss the pentagon and have a different plane or a missile hit it instead.
To sell this illusion the conspirators (the same 20 people I assume.) Went about chopping down lampposts and planting them on cars across a highway and told various bystanders to say they saw a plane hit them. This was to make it seem like the plane or missile or whatever came from one direction when it actually came from another.
Why this was done is still unknown. Possibly ****s and giggles again. Possibly due to a sudden need to hit something specific in the pentagon to destroy it, since we all know the only possible way to destroy secret unknown documents in the pentagon that no one knows about is to shoot a missile at them.
Also despite having their hands on the black box of the plane and them editting out the part of the flight over and away from the building, they didn't edit the flight path to match what they were going to say. I guess they forgot?

Meanwhile in New York the secret demolition plan continues apace. But for some reason they tell the BBC to report the collapse of building seven before it actually does and the BBC does so without question or comment even though they weren't part of the conspiracy.

At the same time in New Jersey, a secret crack team of Israeli spies who were told about the event beforehand were parked across the river in a really far off and bad viewing spot, recording the event for some reason.
Then despite being trained spies and being trusted enough to be let in on the plot, they are overcome by excitement at the fruition of this sinister Nazi plot and they start to dance, calling attention to themselves, ultimately getting themselves arrested. Whoops.

Then the NIST (who might have been in on it from the start) publishes a report that was so bad that any uneducated conspiracy theorist can see through it even if they can't do basic math or describe what free fall is. And despite this and despite all other scientific bodies nominally not being in on it, the report still gets published, peer reviewed and accepted.

Then after all of this works somehow, Larry Silverstein ups and goes on national TV and states that he demolished the buildings.
Why? Who knows?
That Larry....

I tried to include as many conspiracy claims as I could so no one's ideas were left out, but I'm sure there's some bits I missed.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Do we have a fleshed out theory yet?

Demolition is picked up by the reporter mic, you can hear the bang in the distance. Less than a second after the Penthouse leaves the roof.

NIST claims nobody heard any noise before the collapse of the building. The video more proof of their lies.


Listen and turn up the volume between one and two seconds

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Demolition is picked by the reporter mic, you can hear the bang in the distance. Less than a second after the Penthouse leaves the roof.

But that's not a fleshed out theory.
That's another factoid that doesn't match reality or fit into your overall conspiracy.

Demolition explosives are very loud and noticeable.
You've been claiming that the explosives were silent.

And gosh I wonder if the penthouse falling might have something to do with that loud banging noise...

Cheerful Spring2

The penthouse is supported at start of the reporter video. Explosion at 1 second. Drops in 3 seconds through the roof.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The penthouse is supported at start of the reporter video. Explosion at 1 second. Drops in 3 seconds through the roof.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

you can hear the bang in the distance. Less than a second after the Penthouse leaves the roof.

Still isn't a fleshed out theory. Just another factoid you can't explain.

Can you not provide a fleshed out theory?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The penthouse is supported at start of the reporter video. Explosion at 1 second. Drops in 3 seconds through the roof.

But I thought nano thermite was silent?

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

But I thought nano thermite was silent?

The four samples with nanothermite was collected dust from the twin towers.

Why would it be silent? A thermite ignition, you hear noise?

New York firetrucks, emergency rescue crews, police cars, busy streets with people talking there before the towers came down. With all that you expect to hear pops and bangs?

We got lucky with building seven, one reporter was in a suitable spot to pick up an explosion happening inside building seven.

Dohnjoe

The Nal wrote: »

But I thought nano thermite was silent?

I thought it made random loud explosions throughout the day?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Demolition

You claimed that AE911 had a fleshed-out theory

Cool, where is it on their site? all I see are vague allusions to a "controlled demolition" with no actual details.

20 years on and thousands of members and the best they can do is dodge the question when asked.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The four samples with nanothermite was collected dust from the twin towers.

Why would it be silent? A thermite ignition, you hear noise?

But cheerful, thermite isn't the same as nanothermite.
You keep jumping down people's throats when they dare to conflate the two.

You have also claimed many times that nanothermite is silent when it suits you.
AE9/11 imagined up nanothermite as an explanation for a lack of the multiple, rapid very very loud explosions heard right before a demolition.

We also have proven, and you agreed that there was no nanothermite present at the site.

You said there was a fleshed out theory. Present it and stop bring up the same old debunked crap.

The Nal

Thermite/nanothermite were the explosives used. They're silent.

Heres a video where you can hear explosions.

storker

King Mob wrote: »

I tried to include as many conspiracy claims as I could so no one's ideas were left out, but I'm sure there's some bits I missed.

That's the best summary of the 9/11 CT's I've ever read.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I thought it made random loud explosions throughout the day?

Firefighters, law enforcement and people rescued from the towers reported explosions inside the Twin Towers before it all came down.. We cannot determine the source for every explosion reported here. Some reported blasts in the lobby, the area with the front door security was at.

The second tower collapsed 56 minutes after the plane hit the facade. A limited time, not hours. That entire area got blocked off to people when the towers collapsed. Most of the photographs we got are either government released or official media released images. We don’t have many independent videos here to verify explosions throughout the day.. We have very little video for building seven.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Firefighters, law enforcement and people rescued from the towers reported explosions inside the Twin Towers before it all came down.. We cannot determine the source for every explosion reported here. Some reported blasts in the lobby, the area with the front door security was at.

The second tower collapsed 56 minutes after the plane hit the facade. A limited time, not hours. That entire area got blocked off to people when the towers collapsed. Most of the photographs we got are either government released or official media released images. We don’t have many independent videos here to verify explosions throughout the day.. We have very little video for building seven.

But nanothermite is silent.
Also, demolitions don't rely on explosions going off randomly all day. In demolitions the explosions are all at once in rapid succession right before the building comes down.

This is also not a fleshed out theory.
Why, in your imaginary world, where there blasts in the lobby?
How did that help the demolition? What kind of explosive was it since we know it can't be nanothermite as nanothermite doesn't explode and wasn't present.

Cheerful Spring2

AE911 truth has explained it was impossible for a girder to lose its connection at column 79 and drive to a total collapse of the building.

Are you guys deliberately playing dumb here?

The column 79 collapse under the Penthouse is the root cause explanation. No collapse there no progressive collapse of the rest of the building due to fire can occur.

You claim there no fleshed out theory?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Firefighters, law enforcement and people rescued from the towers reported explosions inside the Twin Towers before it all came down.. We cannot determine the source for every explosion reported here. Some reported blasts in the lobby, the area with the front door security was at.

Does thermite burn or does it make an explosion?

How quickly can thermite/nano-thermite/super-thermite cut through a supporting column? does it burn through it or does it use explosive force?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

AE911 truth has explained it was impossible for a girder to lose its connection at column 79 and drive to a total collapse of the building.

Are you guys deliberately playing dumb here?

The column 79 collapse under the Penthouse is the root cause explanation. No collapse there no progressive collapse of the rest of the building due to fire can occur.

You claim there no fleshed out theory?

Where is their theory of what happened? please post the link to it..

At a very minimum it would need to detail how many were involved, who the chain of command was, how much explosive was planted, where it was planted, how the whole plan worked, what was the timeline

Here's what happened on 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Where is their version of what happened?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some reported blasts in the lobby, the area with the front door security was at.

Thats well documented. There were explosions from jet fuel going down the elevator shafts, halfway down the building and also in the lobby after the plane hit. Elevator doors blown out.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's what happened on 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

19 years later, one of the most investigated events in human history and no one can provide an alternative.

That is indeed exactly what happened. Al-Qaeda hijacked 4 planes and crashed them.

Cheerful Spring2

Debunkers lie it's a pattern. Ae911 truth has released pictures of this nanothermite found in the WTC dust.
There no imagination needed here.

Images of what they claim to be is micro sized nanothermite chips. The ingredients inside the chip are nanoparticles of Aluminum, Irox oxide, sulfur, carbon, and other chemicals.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

AE911 truth has explained it was impossible for a girder to lose its connection at column 79 and drive to a total collapse of the building.

Are you guys deliberately playing dumb here?

The column 79 collapse under the Penthouse is the root cause explanation. No collapse there no progressive collapse of the rest of the building due to fire can occur.

You claim there no fleshed out theory?

That's not a fleshed out theory.
That's just a random debunked claim that you don't even understand. You're just parroting what the frauds at AE9/11 are telling you to say.

A fleshed out theory would explain what did cause the collapse. What kind of explosives were used. Where they were planted and when and why.
It would explain why the conspirators did things the way they did and it would explain the holes in logic you keep running away from.

A fleshed out explanation wouldn't have the silly contradictions you've wound up with.

A fleshed out explanation would be easy to detail.

You don't have one. That's obvious to everyone.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Debunkers lie it's a pattern. Ae911 truth has released pictures of this nanothermite found in the WTC dust.
There no imagination needed here.

Images of what they claim to be is micro sized nanothermite chips. The ingredients inside the chip are nanoparticles of Aluminum, Irox oxide, sulfur, carbon, and other chemicals.

You keep posting this. But you know that it's already been dealt with.
One of the chemicals not found was aluminium oxide. If there was no aluminium oxide it means there was no thermite reaction.

it's been shown there wasn't any aluminium oxide. Therefore we know there was no thermite.

You already conceded this when you ran away from that point last time.

Dohnjoe

The Nal wrote: »

19 years later, one of the most investigated events in human history and no one can provide an alternative.

That is indeed exactly what happened. Al-Qaeda hijacked 4 planes and crashed them.

Main theory: detailed and evidenced account of what happened on that day

Alternative theory: a basket of conspiracies ranging from energy weapons, to controlled demolition, to mini-nukes, to hologram planes, etc that no one anywhere can actually explain (or even be bothered explaining) and all based on the same denial

Cheerful Spring2

The debunkers project events that are false. They believe their own lies.
Harrit and the scientists who worked with him here, showed clear evidence there was Aluminum in the matrix mix.
Everyone should know, Aluminum powder+ Iron Oxides produces Molten Iron as a byproduct.

Harrit burned the chips at 430 degree Celsius.

US military nanothermite experiments: there nanothermite samples also ignited at low temps, this makes the product unique, since it extremely difficult to ignite normal thermite at low temps.

Either way this is proof the chips found in the WTC dust had Aluminum.

Molten Iron not there previously appeared on the red burned chip.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Everyone should know, Aluminum powder+ Iron Oxides produces Molten Iron as a byproduct.

Here is a good example of your dishonesty.
You know well that molten iron isn't the only byproduct of a thermite reaction.

What is the other byproduct?

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Either way this is proof the chips found in the WTC dust had Aluminum.

Molten Iron not there previously appeared on the red burned chip.

But no aluminum oxide.
Therefore no nanothermite.
We've proven this before. There's no need for you to bring it up again when you've nothing new to try.

Instead, try showing us the fleshed out theory you claimed to have?
Or was that not true?

Cheerful Spring2

Debunkers are liars. They burned the chips at low temps, molten Iron was formed. That 100 percent proof there was Aluminium+ Iron oxide in the matrix.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The debunkers project events that are false. They believe their own lies

You do this odd thing where you stop responding to questions and start just pasting pictures of stuff

1. What was used to "blow up" the Twin Towers and WTC 7, was it thermite, nano-thermite, super thermite?

The substance you've chosen, does it burn or explode? which is it?

2. You claimed AE911 have a fleshed out theory. Well, where is it? I am dying to find out who did what and what really happened..

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Debunkers are liars. They burned the chips at low temps, molten Iron was formed. That 100 percent proof there was Aluminium+ Iron oxide in the matrix.

Cheerful, what are the two byproducts of a thermite reaction?
Iron and...?

You're latest whinging and false accusations are very hypocritical and they seem very desperate.

Dohnjoe

If anyone has 45 mins to burn, here's a chemistry professor taking on the flat-earth theory, quite entertaining, and demonstrates the same points we see being made here over and over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDy95_eNPzM

Cheerful Spring2

Why the Molten Iron is a significant find.

RJ Lee group ]]

Materials characterization laboratory and industrial forensics consulting firm employing more than 300 scientists, engineers, technicians, and support staff at locations in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, Waynesburg,

In their report about the WTC dust they state 6 percent of the WTC dust had Iron Microspheres (molten Iron) To produce Molten Iron temperatures/flame in the region of 1500 degrees celsius or higher.

No fire on 9/11 was that hot. We actually have a source in the red/grey chips to explain the quantities found here.

Mick West on Podcasts claims no steel or Iron melted and that was a lie from conspiracy theorists?

RJ Lee group are liars?