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    #452
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53959492


    A Danish man burns the Koran in Sweden so the muslims start burning innocent people's cars and throw rocks at the police. Makes sense
    Phil Bogan wrote: »
    Why are muslims so fragile?


    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?


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    #453
    Snake Plisken
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    1641 wrote: »
    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?

    Free country if he had burned a Bible as well or instead of there would have been no burning of cars, followers of Islam seem to get fierce upset about a book burning and the left give the backwards religion of Islam a free pass! It's one or the other either all religions are treated the same or none are! I am sure the guy who burned the holy book will now be treatened with death!
    Maybe Muslims should either toe the line or move to a strict Muslim country!


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    #454
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Free country if he had burned a Bible as well or instead of there would have been no burning of cars, followers of Islam seem to get fierce upset about a book burning and the left give the backwards religion of Islam a free pass! It's one or the other either all religions are treated the same or none are! I am sure the guy who burned the holy book will now be treatened with death!
    Maybe Muslims should either toe the line or move to a strict Muslim country!


    And, if for instance, a muslim group organised a bible burning for outside the GPO everyone would just ignore it. The far-right wouldn't assemble for a counter-demonstration and a bit of argy-bargy? A free country and all that?


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    #455
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    1641 wrote: »
    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?

    Maybe they're sick of all the crime and social problems mass immigration has brought to their country.


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    #456
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    Sorry - I hadn't realised that this is a "woke" pro-feminist thread, rather than an echo chamber for assorted white nationalists and islamophobes.


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    #457
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    statesaver wrote: »
    The left have a problem with pedophilia. They are always very slow to condemn it.


    If by "left" you are referring to me then you have got the wrong person.


    Anyway, how else are you guys expressing your interest in combatting rape, and sex crimes in general, other than associating it with immigrants (and non-white immigrants in particular)?

    Or is it that you all have a burning concern with Swedish affairs in general?


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    #458
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    1641 wrote: »
    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?

    Charlie Hebdo was far-right?


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    #459
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    1641 wrote: »
    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?

    Charlie Hebdo, Ariana Grande, Bataclan concert hall etc. were all “deliberate provocations?”

    If you burned a bible in Sweden today would any native Swedes riot and cause destruction?


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    #460
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    Charlie Hebdo, Ariana Grande, Bataclan concert hall etc. were all “deliberate provocations?”

    If you burned a bible in Sweden today would any native Swedes riot and cause destruction?


    I could burn a Bible or a Koran today if I needed to (although I don't believe in burning books). But this was a publicly announced Koran burning by an anti-islamist extremist, with supporters. Why?

    If an islamist organisation announced and organised a Bible burning outside the GPO are you saying there would be no reaction? Would you say "ah shucks, whatever".

    If you white nationalist types all want peace and integration why do you seem determined to cause offence and provocation? Extremist provacateurs are all versions of each other, whichever "ist" they align themselves to.


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    #461
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    The vast majority wouldn't give a **** if someone did something bad to a copy of the Bible. It's just a book, ffs. An object, easily reproduced and not in any way endangered.

    The only reaction to such ridiculous attitudes should be provoking further. Maybe they'll eventually grow a thicker skin.

    All non citizens rioting in Sweden should be immediately deported.


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    #462
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    1641 wrote: »
    If an islamist organisation announced and organised a Bible burning outside the GPO are you saying there would be no reaction?
    Would you say "ah shucks, whatever".
    Yes, I'd probably think it's just another crazy outside the GPO and walk on by.
    At the worst I'd expect a few stunned people and maybe an argument.
    Before the Guards step in to have a chat with them and tell them to them to move on.


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    #463
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,998 ✭✭✭conorhal


    1641 wrote: »
    Why are far-right extremists so interested in deliberate provocation?


    Well let's take a look at the context that is so often missing from any reports about the incident and riots that resulted from this 'provocation'.
    What caused this far right group to start kicking Quran's around a migrant area of the city?
    Two teenage boys were subjected to a horrific ordeal in a Swedish cemetery before they were buried alive.
    The victims were allegedly tortured and raped by two older men before police intervened and thankfully saved their lives.
    Their exact ages are not known but according to reports they are both underage, which means younger than 15 — Sweden's age of consent.
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/teenage-boys-tortured-raped-buried-22593583
    Article of course omits to mention as others have, that the 2 men involved were migrants.

    Huh.... that sounds like the sort of thing that's probably going to result in a provocative response...no?


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    #464
    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Phil Bogan wrote: »
    Ok but how do you know for sure he's Irish?
    Because I've been on the site long enough before now to know he's Irish. Do you not think if he was Swedish he might've chimed in by now to say so? Even he won't stoop to that kind of pitiful lie.
    It's interesting that rather than being upset by the violence in Sweden, you are more upset that Biko is talking about the violence.

    Lastly, there is no reason we shouldn't be talking about violence committed by migrants. There are no rules to prevent Europeans from doing so.
    But you only talk about violence committed by immigrants. It's clear you don't really care about the violence but the fact that immigrants are involved.

    It's interesting that rather than talking about violence in Sweden, all you lot do is moan and whinge about the existence of non-white people there. And use cherry-picked examples of immigrants being involved in crime as a paper-thin pretext to do so.


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    #465
    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    And I'm sure you'll post the stats to prove that, any minute now...


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    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Barack Obumba wrote: »
    Most violent crime
    Those are you words. Most "violent crime", not just "rape". So once again, post the proof that most "violent crime" (again, your words) are committed by immigrants.


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    #467
    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    So, just so we're clear, you cannot prove that "most violent crime" (once again, your words) in Sweden is committed by immigrants.

    Glad we got that cleared up.


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    #468
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    excludedbin wrote: »
    So, just so we're clear, you cannot prove that "most violent crime" (once again, your words) in Sweden is committed by immigrants.
    If we define "most violent crime" as assault rapes where the parties are strangers then a study show >80% to be born abroad.
    If you only look at attempted and completed assault rapes - where the victim and the perpetrator do not know each other - the figure is even higher.
    Just over eight out of ten convicted perpetrators were born in another country.

    40 percent of these have been in Sweden for a year or less.

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/granskning/ug/ny-kartlaggning-av-valdtaktsdomar-58-procent-av-de-domda-fodda-utomlands


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    #469
    Sarcozies
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    1641 wrote: »
    I could burn a Bible or a Koran today if I needed to (although I don't believe in burning books). But this was a publicly announced Koran burning by an anti-islamist extremist, with supporters. Why?

    If an islamist organisation announced and organised a Bible burning outside the GPO are you saying there would be no reaction? Would you say "ah shucks, whatever".

    If you white nationalist types all want peace and integration why do you seem determined to cause offence and provocation? Extremist provacateurs are all versions of each other, whichever "ist" they align themselves to.

    There's only one religion the majority of us would be nervous about provoking in the year 2020. Get six of your friends and randomly assign them a major religion to make fun of on their social media (it could even be as benign as drawing the leader of the religion in question) and watch the face of the guy who gets the one we all wouldn't want to get.


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    #470
    GT89
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    Not a whimper from the mainstream media as usual. The Swedish government need deport these savages asap. Of course you should be allowed to burn the quran it's just a book at the end of the day.


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    #471
    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    biko wrote: »
    If we define "most violent crime" as assault rapes where the parties are strangers

    You mean 'if you redefine the term "violent crime" to just exclude most types of violent crimes'.

    Yes, it is quite easy to prove any baseless claim if you completely change the meaning of the words used in it to exclude anything that contradicts your claim. But that isn't what was said. Again what was said was "most violent crimes", not "most rapes".


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    #472
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Since Barack Obumba's post is now gone, would you like to define "most violent crime" so we can progress?
    Robbery? Murder?
    I have already given you stats for rape, in which it's extremely high representation of immigrants.


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    #473
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    GT89 wrote: »
    Not a whimper from the mainstream media as usual. The Swedish government need deport these savages asap. Of course you should be allowed to burn the quran it's just a book at the end of the day.

    The Swedish Govt doesn't have the courage to do it. They've surrendered. The Women are wearing hijabs out of appeasement and the Swedish Men are peeing sitting down now so they ain't going to do ****.

    Its Swedenstan. Its an Islamic Caliphate for all intents and purposes now.


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    #474
    no.8
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    Could it be that the majority of Swedes wish to preserve their national identity and prevent it from being erased and watered down by the ever offended ar****les on Twitter and newly arrived minorities? Is it wrong to love one's heritage and expect it to be respected?
    Does that make someone a white nationalist or islamophobe or simply someone with a touch of common sense and pride who shouldn't care about what someone who is not even living there thinks


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    #475
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    The Swedish Govt doesn't have the courage to do it. They've surrendered. The Women are wearing hijabs out of appeasement and the Swedish Men are peeing sitting down now so they ain't going to do ****.

    Its Swedenstan. Its an Islamic Caliphate for all intents and purposes now.

    Let me guess. You’ve never been there?


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    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    biko wrote: »
    Since Barack Obumba's post is now gone, would you like to define "most violent crime" so we can progress?
    Robbery? Murder?
    I have already given you stats for rape, in which it's extremely high representation of immigrants.
    Well that was Barack's main mistake, "violent crime" encompasses a lot of different crimes. Robbery and murder are just two, then you have kidnapping, extortion, negligence, endangerment, harassment, manslaughter, and on the list goes.

    His contention was that most "violent crimes" not just "rape" are committed by immigrants. It's not really my fault that he didn't realise that "violent crime" is a very wide net to cast. Nor that you want to just exclude literally every other type of violent crime bar one.

    So quite simply, present some evidence that most violent crimes are committed by immigrants. Not just one type of violent crime because that's not what was said.


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    #477
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Ok so let's just let someone else define it, a Swedish publication.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20191028/what-do-we-know-about-violent-crime-in-sweden
    What do we know about violent crime in Sweden?

    Sweden does not keep statistics on ethnicity of criminal suspects. When Dagens Nyheter in 2017 looked into 100 people linked to murders and attempted murders carried out with guns, they found that 90 had a so-called foreign background, defined as either being born abroad or having at least one parent born abroad.
    So - rapes 80%, and general violent crime 90%


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    #478
    [Deleted User]
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    biko wrote: »
    Ok so let's just let someone else define it, a Swedish publication.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20191028/what-do-we-know-about-violent-crime-in-sweden

    So - rapes 80%, and general violent crime 90%

    They don't have statistics about offenders ethnic background, therefore you cannot state that immigrants are responsible for the majority of any crimes there.


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    #479
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Bring it up with the Daily News (Dagens Nyheter) that did the research for us.


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    #480
    [Deleted User]
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    biko wrote: »
    Bring it up Daily News (Dagens Nyheter) that did the research for us.

    100 offenders.
    hardly representative!


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    #481
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Fun fact - when metoo swept the nation it turned out it was mainly leftist men that had "foreign background".
    Why have so many anti-racist men on the left and often foreign backgrounds been exposed as perpetrators in connection with the #metoo campaign?
    Keep it in your pants, lefties!
    https://tobiashubinette.wordpress.com/2017/11/02/man-antirasism-vanstern-sexuella-trakasserier/


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