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De-platforming fascists works

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    #392
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    markodaly wrote: »
    If you truly believe this statement then you are also an extremist yourself.

    Advocating extra-judicial killings against a certain group will not solve the underlying issue that cause that extreme ideology in the first place.

    If they are advocating for the Murder of political opponents then obviously they are an extremist.


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    #393
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Stop backseat modding. I am on topic. Reread the post you wrote that I responded to, and my reply. It's not hard to understand what I'm asking.

    ??? Dunno what ur on about lad. Im just gonna stay on topic and say YES fascists should be deplatformed


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    #394
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    If they are advocating for the Murder of political opponents then obviously they are an extremist.

    Sorry mate but if your ideology is advocating mass genocide how do you think the entire world will respond?


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    #395
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so what opposition to fascism do you think is acceptable? You want to adopt a live and let live attitude to fascists when they would assuredly not extend that courtesy to you.

    It is like dungeons and dragons.

    What will you do if you meet a giant goblin.

    For the very most, as theoretical.

    Fascism has less adherents in the western world than Osho has.


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    #396
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Danzy wrote: »
    It is like dungeons and dragons.

    What will you do if you meet a giant goblin.

    For the very most, as theoretical.

    Fascism has less adherents in the western world than Osho has.

    Thats because most were killed violently to stop the ideology spreading.


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    #397
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Both can be done. Sorry but anyone who proudly calls themself a Nazi becomes an enemy to the entire world. You cant eat your cake and have it too.

    To be honest that is a moral cop out.

    Stating that Nazi's should be murdered by extrajudicial means and saying to yourself, that you are doing 'good' is a sign of a psychopath.

    Do you advocate someone like Milo should be murdered?


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    #398
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    markodaly wrote: »
    To be honest that is a moral cop out.

    Stating that Nazi's should be murdered by extrajudicial means and saying to yourself, that you are doing 'good' is a sign of a psychopath.

    Do you advocate someone like Milo should be murdered?
    Who said extrajudicial? Mate the entire world literally mobilized to kill Nazis. Ask your grandfathers


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    #399
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Who said extrajudicial? Mate the entire world literally mobilized to kill Nazis. Ask your grandfathers

    No they didnt. They mobilsed to remove the Nazi regime. And killed 10s of thousands of innocent Germans in the process. Such heros.

    Maybe give the Hollywood movies a break and join us in the real world?


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    #400
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    riffmongous wrote: »
    That's a big pile of ****, conservative yank propaganda...

    Great rebuttal. You really tore his arguments apart there.
    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Both can be done. Sorry but anyone who proudly calls themself a Nazi becomes an enemy to the entire world.

    This thread is about the deplatforming of conservatives after they have been mislabeled fascists. If Twitter only ever deplaformed people proudly calling themselves a Nazi, I don't think anyone would care. The point is that the left are exaggerating when they label people fascists and nazis so they can then justify their partisan, biased (and often violent) behavior them.
    You cant eat your cake and have it too.

    Yes, but if you're a baker can you choose who not to bake that cake for?

    Nope, as then the left's philosophy about how private companies should be able to tell whoever they want to f-off, goes right out the window. Funny that.


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    #401
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ??? Dunno what ur on about lad. Im just gonna stay on topic and say YES fascists should be deplatformed

    Do you think the people responding to you are Nazis and Fascists?


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    #402
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Do you think the people responding to you are Nazis and Fascists?

    Nope never said that lad. I said i was wondering why some people here feel personally attacked when i said fascists (authoritarian mass murderers) should be attacked


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    #403
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Great rebuttal. You really tore his arguments apart there.



    This thread is about the deplatforming of conservatives after they have been mislabeled fascists. If Twitter only ever deplaformed people proudly calling themselves a Nazi, I don't think anyone would care. The point is that the left are exaggerating when they label people fascists and nazis so they can then justify their partisan, biased (and often violent) behavior them.



    Yes, but if you're a baker can you choose who not to bake that cake for?

    Nope, as then the left's philosophy about how private companies should be able to tell whoever they want to f-off, goes right out the window. Funny that.

    Ah yes the left boogieman strikes again, despite world governments being run by conservative old men.


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    #404
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Who said extrajudicial? Mate the entire world literally mobilized to kill Nazis. Ask your grandfathers

    So we should send in NATO.

    You want the death penalty for Nazi's?
    Do you think the UK should hang Milo?


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    #405
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    No they didnt. They mobilsed to remove the Nazi regime. And killed 10s of thousands of innocent Germans in the process. Such heros.

    Maybe give the Hollywood movies a break and join us in the real world?

    Dunno what u mean man, my great grandad (bless him) wrote diaries during the war. Says him and his platoon were terrified but could not wait to kill Nazis for what they did to Holland. Seems to me personally that theres no defending being a Nazi and that the entire world rightly put a stop to it.


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    #406
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    markodaly wrote: »
    So we should send in NATO.

    You want the death penalty for Nazi's?
    Do you think the UK should hang Milo?

    Lad why are you so obsessed with me? Milo isnt a Nazi he’s just an attention seeker


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    #407
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Nope never said that lad. I said i was wondering why some people here feel personally attacked when i said fascists (authoritarian mass murderers) should be attacked

    Why have you accused many of engaging in "mental gymnastics" then?

    You then went on to say:
    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Nah mate. Nazis and fascists like to use mental gymnastics to call anyone who attacks them as the ‘real’ Nazis.

    Hence why I posed my original question.


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    #408
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Great rebuttal. You really tore his arguments apart there.

    It's not supposed to be a rebuttal, something that bad doesn't need one, you just need to be aware all he's doing is using association over and over again to see it for what it is


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    #409
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Lad why are you so obsessed with me? Milo isnt a Nazi he’s just an attention seeker

    What about Nick Griffin? Should he be murdered by the state because of his politics?


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    #410
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Yes of course im talking about real actual Nazis. I dont agree with Donald Trump, Salvini, Douglas Murray or Sam Harris but they do not deserve to be beaten to death.

    OK phew ......
    ...

    The better question here is, why do YOU (certain people in this thread) feel personally attacked when someone says fascists (authoritarian mass murderers) should be cut down?

    Because when they say they should be cut down they are talking about the likes of Peterson, Murray, Harris etc !!!


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    #411
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 17,098 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Lad why are you so obsessed with me? Milo isnt a Nazi he’s just an attention seeker

    TBF your pronouncments here make you look like an attention seeker yourself.

    Glazers Out!



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    #412
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Pure mental gymnastics. Sorry mate but you literally cant defend being a Nazi. The reality is, if you’re a Nazi (kill lesser races, jews, blacks, invade and conquer europe etc) nobody is going to give you sympathy. Your existence is a threat to the world, and if you get your way people will die.

    There is just no justifiable way to call yourself a Nazi.

    There was much more to the National-Socialist German Workers’ Party platform than territorial expansion and subjugation of people. If fact most of their platform is standard policy today for socialists. The NAZIs were all for de-platforming . . .

    23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

    a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

    b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

    c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

    Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

    source


    The NAZIs were all for de-platforming and very much against "fake news" that conflicted with their agenda. These are current policies in the 21st century and which parties are pushing them? Take a look at their 1920 platform and tick off how much of their agenda you support today.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #413
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    riffmongous wrote: »
    It's not supposed to be a rebuttal, something that bad doesn't need one, you just need to be aware all he's doing is using association over and over again to see it for what it is

    You need to reread the article if you think the only grounds for his assertions are association based.


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    #414
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    There was much more to the National-Socialist German Workers’ Party platform than territorial expansion and subjugation of people. If fact most of their platform is standard policy today for socialists. The NAZIs were all for de-platforming . . .





    The NAZIs were all for de-platforming and very much against "fake news" that conflicted with their agenda. These are current policies in the 21st century and which parties are pushing them? Take a look at their 1920 platform and tick off how much of their agenda you support today.

    Mental gymnastics. I’ll say it again, Nazis should be deplatformed in all cases, no exceptions.


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    #415
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Lad why are you so obsessed with me? Milo isnt a Nazi he’s just an attention seeker

    Are my questions becoming too difficult? You made the statement, I am asking you to qualify it.

    Do you think the US should execute Richard Spencer?


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    #416
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    OK phew ......



    Because when they say they should be cut down they are talking about the likes of Peterson, Murray, Harris etc !!!

    I get your point lad. Not one I was trying to refute, however. No idea why youre trying to bring that to me


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    #417
    yesto24
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭yesto24


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Both can be done. Sorry but anyone who proudly calls themself a Nazi becomes an enemy to the entire world. You cant eat your cake and have it too.

    That's the point. Very few people in this world call themselves Nazi and no one on here has called themselves a Nazi.
    But I have been called a Nazi and I am sure plenty of others here have aswell all because we have an opinion different from the "far left".
    So after I have been labeled a Nazi you seem to think it is ok to beat and kill me.
    Yea I am going to have a problem with this.
    So before we go any further we will have to decide on the definition of a Nazi.


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    #418
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Mental gymnastics. I’ll say it again, Nazis should be deplatformed in all cases, no exceptions.

    Lazily accusing numerous posters of mental gymnastics is not very conductive for a discussion board.

    It must be a record, the amount of times you've used the term in such a short space of time.


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    #419
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Lazily accusing numerous posters of mental gymnastics is not very conductive for a discussion board.

    It must be a record, the amount of times you've used the term in such a short space of time.

    Nazis did x and so does modern people

    Therefore modern people are Nazis.

    Mate that argument is bereft of any nuance and a child can call out the bullsh*t in leaving out the context and intentions of Nazis vs the people who want to censor Nazis that i cant help but think youre a satirical or parody account made to make certain right wing ideologies uneducated.


    Incase youre not ill boil it down for you:

    Nazis censored the media to hide their atrocities and inflate their accomplishments.

    Vs

    Nazis are being censored to stop their ideology from causing another genocide


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    #420
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Mental gymnastics. I’ll say it again, Nazis should be deplatformed in all cases, no exceptions.

    You are supporting the NAZI policy of de-platforming those whose opinions you disagree with. Are you a NAZI?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #421
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    yesto24 wrote: »
    That's the point. Very few people in this world call themselves Nazi and no one on here has called themselves a Nazi.
    But I have been called a Nazi and I am sure plenty of others here have aswell all because we have an opinion different from the far left.
    So after I have been labeled a Nazi you seem to think it is ok to beat and kill me.
    Yea I am going to have a problem with this.
    So before we go any further we will have to decide on the definition of a Nazi.

    can we stop with this imported far left nonsense. it is painful to read at this stage.


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