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Race is a social construct.......

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  • 11-09-2019 11:05am
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 5


    Totally debunked
    bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-49599148/this-leukaemia-sufferer-is-searching-the-world-against-the-odds-for-a-stem-cell-donor

    This leukaemia sufferer is searching the world against the odds for a stem cell donor
    A half-Nigerian, half-German woman is desperately searching the world for a stem-cell donor.
    Astrid has leukaemia. However, due to her mixed race, her chances of finding a match are extremely unlikely.
    That's because global stem cell registries do not reflect the world's diversity. The majority of registered donors are white. Only 3% of stem cell donors worldwide are mixed race.

    A simple google search for "mixed race organ transplant" will bring up many results saying the same thing, organ transplants between races is not successful, so why is "Race is a social construct" being pushed as fact?
    Is this another example of feeling being preferred over facts, it feels better to say we are all the same , when the facts state differently.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Certain aspects of race are a social construct.

    Others aren’t - for example physiological differences across races are very much paid attention to by pharmaceutical companies as certain races metabolise certain drugs quicker/slower than others leading to inconsistencies in therapy. These differences are known and accounted for in dosage regimen administered by doctors.

    Hence for doctors and many scientists the idea for the existence of race is widely accepted.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Race is a social construct. Ethnicity is not. The latter is what is making it so hard for this woman to find a donor.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 vaginitis


    C

    Hence for doctors and many scientists the idea for the existence of race is widely accepted.
    Careful now, thats a ban worthy position round these parts


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Nothing is a social construct, not race(used as a colloquial short hand for ethnicity), not gender, nothing and for anyone that learned that it was in collage or gender studies class then I am sorry but you have wasted your time.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,297 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Nothing is a social construct, not race, not gender, nothing and for anyone that learned that it was in collage or gender studies class then I am sorry but you have wasted your time.

    Even you thinking nothing is a social construct is a social construct.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    vaginitis wrote: »
    The majority of registered donors are white. Only 3% of stem cell donors worldwide are mixed race.
    Non-whites need to step up and take some responsibility.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,178 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    When searching for donor organs or material, a genetic match is sought regardless of ethnicity or race. It stands to reason that it is rather easier to find a suitable genetic match within the same race/ethnicity than outside, simply because the amount of interbreeding within the same race/ethnicity is so much greater. There isn't much here to suggest that race "is" or "is not" anything, except to suggest that interracial relations are good for everybody.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    jimgoose wrote: »
    There isn't much here to suggest that race "is" or "is not" anything, except to suggest that interracial relations are good for everybody.

    inter-what-now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Nothing is a social construct, not race(used as a colloquial short hand for ethnicity), not gender, nothing and for anyone that learned that it was in collage or gender studies class then I am sorry but you have wasted your time.

    Don't be silly. Lot's of things are a social construct. Law, marriage, housing, healthcare and so on.

    Race itself means little, ethnicity is something else entirely.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nothing is a social construct, not race(used as a colloquial short hand for ethnicity), not gender, nothing and for anyone that learned that it was in collage or gender studies class then I am sorry but you have wasted your time.

    I'd argue 99% of gender is a social construct


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Race is a social construct.

    I don't believe cultural identity is a social construct.

    However why the op is bringing a poor woman's condition into this debate is beyond me. It seems in poor taste.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I'd argue 99% of gender is a social construct
    And everyone including trans people would disagree with you.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is a very obtuse thread overflowing with idiotic premises, strawman arguments, an abject absence of nuance and the standard, lamentable level of ignorance which marks this topic where anything which counters this idiocy is dismissed as "political correctness".


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I'd argue 99% of gender is a social construct

    Go ahead. I need a laugh. Do you believe the earth is flat too? Or how about the moon, it’s it really made of cheese.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the idea that most everything is a social construct is a desperate attempt to feel like we have more control over our lives than we actually do.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Go ahead. I need a laugh. Do you believe the earth is flat too? Or how about the moon, it’s it really made of cheese.


    Outside of our chromosomes, hormones and physical attributes as a result of those; everything is decided (conscious or otherwise) by the individual and those decisions are influenced by society.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    If she is half German is she not more likely to find a match then somebody who is completely Nigerian if there are less Nigerian people then white people on the register. This does not make any logical sense.

    You think this completely debunks race being a social construct? This one case?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And everyone including trans people would disagree with you.


    Well trans people certainly seem to believe that they can change their gender. That leads me to believe its somewhat constructed by us.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't believe cultural identity is a social construct.

    However why the op is bringing a poor woman's condition into this debate is beyond me. It seems in poor taste.

    Cultural identity is pretty much the quintessential social construct. It's completely artificial. I'm not saying that it;s trivial, just that it's something that people invented solely themselves.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 vaginitis



    You think this completely debunks race being a social construct? This one case?
    content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

    From a time when the media was not woke, plenty more examples to be found for those who have open eyes and are not wearing blinkers


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Achebe wrote: »
    People who say "nothing is a social construct" are just demonstrating their own ignorance.
    some things are. but a lot of the things which are claimed to be are not.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,386 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Well trans people certainly seem to believe that they can change their gender. That leads me to believe its somewhat constructed by us.

    With alot of drugs and surgery though No?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Nothing is a social construct, not race(used as a colloquial short hand for ethnicity), not gender, nothing and for anyone that learned that it was in collage or gender studies class then I am sorry but you have wasted your time.

    Social constructs exist because humans name things. The problem is with believing that because we name something we create or “construct” it. This is literally what the post structuralists believe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    vaginitis wrote: »
    content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

    From a time when the media was not woke, plenty more examples to be found for those who have open eyes and are not wearing blinkers



    So you don't my question, just ramble on about wokeness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    So, naming a child as a boy or girl at birth on a cert does two things:

    1) it legally creates a gender. The legal gender is totally a social construct. For example a legal female couldn’t vote, had different rights historically. This is clearly social - something only humans do.
    2) it acknowledges the underlying sex of the child.

    Of course some social construction does act on humans even outside the legal system, if a female child is expected to act more demurely than her nature or a male child more agressive than his nature. Post structuralists think all differences are totally social and deny (don’t even mention, really) biology. Men act male because they are socialised to do so, and women act female because of socialisation.

    (I personally can’t see how this theory explains trans myself, as people should br trapped by social construction).

    However, in reality, humans evolved like other animals and there are sex differences in humans as with many species and denying this leads to the absurdity of biological males in female sports.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    With alot of drugs and surgery though No?

    Would that not be changing/trying to change their sex?

    Some man could go out tomorrow and say they identify as a female and adhere to the socially constructed idea of what it is to be of the female gender without all that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Would that not be changing/trying to change their sex?

    Some man could go out tomorrow and say they identify as a female and adhere to the socially constructed idea of what it is to be female without all that.

    In law that’s now true in Ireland. There’s no need to really act female though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    vaginitis wrote: »
    Totally debunked
    bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-49599148/this-leukaemia-sufferer-is-searching-the-world-against-the-odds-for-a-stem-cell-donor

    This leukaemia sufferer is searching the world against the odds for a stem cell donor
    A half-Nigerian, half-German woman is desperately searching the world for a stem-cell donor.
    Astrid has leukaemia. However, due to her mixed race, her chances of finding a match are extremely unlikely.
    That's because global stem cell registries do not reflect the world's diversity. The majority of registered donors are white. Only 3% of stem cell donors worldwide are mixed race.

    A simple google search for "mixed race organ transplant" will bring up many results saying the same thing, organ transplants between races is not successful, so why is "Race is a social construct" being pushed as fact?
    Is this another example of feeling being preferred over facts, it feels better to say we are all the same , when the facts state differently.

    Socially we should all be the same. There are cultural differences but we are all human. Biologically there are obvious differences even within the same families.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Even the biologists are in on the anti biology action

    https://twitter.com/thealiceroberts/status/1171727840116649986?s=21


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,986 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Race is a social construct. Ethnicity is not. The latter is what is making it so hard for this woman to find a donor.

    Except that you have the meaning of the two words swapped.

    Race is biologically determined.

    Ethnicity is socio-culturally determined.


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