no income tax cuts from irelands "right wing" party

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99problems1

godtabh wrote: »

We need another recession to put MNC back in their place? Seriously? Do you not remember the last recession and the impact that it had on the average person?

Cop yourself on

A hard recession would be good, empty out the country again as the services we have are not able for it. Buses, trams, trains wedged! Roads clogged! Trolleys piling up! Schools overcrowded! People living in hotels!

Irish Praetorian

There might be one silver lining from this policy, namely our National Debt is approaching the level it was at before the Great Recession, at least when expressed as a proportion of GDP.

Also, when people talk about how there tax money is spent and on things they do and don't like it being spent on, I'd advise them to consult the following site:

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/2019/

I know the temptation is to see government money as being nothing more than a giant pot getting pissed away on the usual suspects, but the biggest item in the Social Protection budget by far is pensions at 8bn - that's not far off what we spend on managing the debt (9.6bn) or funding our entire education system (10.8bn) and we have ourselves an ageing population.

99problems1

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I’d be happy with no tax cuts, and no social welfare increases. Stick the money into improving transport.

lol

The money is going to overspends on childrens hospitals and broadband and health overruns and going straight into consultants pockets.

Very naive.

THE_SHEEP

kneemos wrote: »

Who do you suggest people vote for?

Independents ? Or , maybe don't vote at all ? Just vote in the European elections , seeing as " they " really call the shots 😊

14dMoney

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

Eric Cartman

Why will nobody cut taxes here, we don’t have a single party that has any interest in helping working people, its just bend over get shafted

Eric Cartman

14dMoney wrote: »

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

Yeah , start making lower income people py a share, woden the tax band, professionals and high earners pay all the tax here

pjohnson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why will nobody cut taxes here, we don’t have a single party that has any interest in helping working people, its just bend over get shafted

Are Renua not the great hope no?

They normally get championed at budget time.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

14dMoney wrote: »

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

You’ve changed, man.

99problems1

Fine Gael must be laughing how things worked out with Brexit.

Idiots in the UK making them look good by default. Fianna Fail won't pull the plug.If things do go tits up the EU will do whatever it takes to help us.

lan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why will nobody cut taxes here

Cause our public services are chronically underfunded and that would just make it worse?

is_that_so

99problems1 wrote: »

A hard recession would be good, empty out the country again as the services we have are not able for it. Buses, trams, trains wedged! Roads clogged! Trolleys piling up! Schools overcrowded! People living in hotels!

Can't say there is any political entity that would see this as a good platform to campaign on. Even Irexit have more sense!

piplip87

We need a recession to hurt the MNC companies in Ireland ? What about the hundreds of thousands of jobs that would be at risk ?

While I agree the dole is too high. There is no need to be on it for more than 6 months while between jobs. After that one thing this government does well is courses and retraining for the unemployed.

This is not a dole bashing thread as I have very recently found myself jobless but as I said it's only used as an emergency between jobs.

99problems1

is_that_so wrote: »

Can't say there is any political entity that would see this as a good platform to campaign on. Even Irexit have more sense!

Nah because they'll just go "we're investing in public transport blah blah blah".

Oh yeah...ye are....wow, one ****ing carriage more in 2021 for the maynooth commuter line. It's already jam packed and one carriage isn't going to cut it by 2021.

These fools don't know how to run a country and provide services so the less people in it the better. I'd rather have a crash and be able to drive on a road or send a kid to school in comfort. None of this fake investment, bending working people over.

THE_SHEEP

99problems1 wrote: »

Fine Gael must be laughing how things worked out with Brexit.

Idiots in the UK making them look good by default. Fianna Fail won't pull the plug.If things do go tits up the EU will do whatever it takes to help us.

If things go tits up, we just blame the good olde " guys on the dole " !!

enricoh

westcork67 wrote: »

If you are a hard working private sector PAYE worker in this country earning over €40k there is no political party from an economic perspective that deserves your vote - the rush to the left by our politicians to appease the socialist media in this country is scary - spend what we don't have and to hell with the consequences! Where have we seen this happen before?!?!?!

Fine Gael and Varadkar have been such a disappointment on this - I would have voted for them believing that they wanted to incentivise work and get to grips with the significant portion of the population who contribute little more to the country than a sense of entitlement - I am left with a protest vote option next election at this point

Same as that, voted for them the last time but not the next time.
Gave nothing to private sector workers the last few years n increased stealth taxes.
Wont reduce compo payouts that are 4.5 times the payouts in the uk. Something that would make car premiums drop n stop businesses going wallop.
Cull the quangos? They probably set up a quango to look into it!
Incapable of getting value for money spending taxpayers money.

Its not all negative though, leo is very photogenic n good looking too apparently! So that should even things out!

pjohnson

99problems1 wrote: »

Nah because they'll just go "we're investing in public transport blah blah blah".

Oh yeah...ye are....wow, one ****ing carriage more in 2021 for the maynooth commuter line. It's already jam packed and one carriage isn't going to cut it by 2021.

These fools don't know how to run a country and provide services so the less people in it the better. I'd rather have a crash and be able to drive on a road or send a kid to school in comfort. None of this fake investment, bending working people over.

Cant bend over working people if they are unemployed.

Moghead

99problems1 wrote: »

Ah and so the dripfeeding of budget changes are leaked to the media so there's no major headlines and thus no unified outrage. Pack of **** FG. Bring back FF.

No doubt social welfare and pensions will go up. Absolute cretins.

Makes me sick seeing people praise FG for Brexit when they aren't even doing anything, only preserving the good friday agreement and doing what the EU says.

If you're unhappy with the current government I don't know why you'd want FF back, they wouldn't have done anything differently over the last few years.

jimwallace197

Look, lets cut the sh*t.

The parties with any chance of being elected know where their bread is buttered.

Social welfare, public sector (unions), pensioners, immigrants (now standing at 825,000 who now havent been born here, lgbt community. Get these on side and you will win a majority, no doubt

Forget about any help if you are a private sector worker or god forbid self- employed. Forgetting that we make up 2/3's of the overall workforce but hell, we are not a big enough voting block collectively, probably too busy paying taxes and trying to survive each one of us

A country get the government it deserves usually. Could be worst, could be living in the UK

Fan of Netflix

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I’d be happy with no tax cuts, and no social welfare increases. Stick the money into improving transport.

Lets be honest they aren't going to improve public transport either, just bring in a carbon tax and probably once again public transport charges will increase.

14dMoney

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Look, lets cut the sh*t.

The parties with any chance of being elected know where their bread is buttered.

Social welfare, public sector (unions), pensioners, immigrants (now standing at 825,000 who now havent been born here, lgbt community. Get these on side and you will win a majority, no doubt

Forget about any help if you are a private sector worker or god forbid self- employed. Forgetting that we make up 2/3's of the overall workforce but hell, we are not a big enough voting block collectively, probably too busy paying taxes and trying to survive each one of us

A country get the government it deserves usually. Could be worst, could be living in the UK

It doesn't matter. Bottom line is that the welfare of our citizens must come first.

screamer

I don’t really care about a tax cut. I care that this god forsaken rock will somehow survive Brexit and the international turmoil all around us. I don’t ever, no, I can’t ever go back to the devastation of the last recession.
I have little faith in the FG clowns either, after all they are in a large way responsible for the Brexit mess we find ourselves in, as they were the ones who handed the north of Ireland to the UK.
I hold little hope that any budget plastic o donoghue will keep us afloat in what is coming.

Eric Cartman

lan wrote: »

Cause our public services are chronically underfunded and that would just make it worse?

Chronically mismanaged,

Renua have their abortion hangup which makes them unviable

We have a 20 billion quid welfare budget due a slash

James Brown

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Lets be honest they aren't going to improve public transport either, just bring in a carbon tax and probably once again public transport charges will increase.

TBF, you don't know that uncle Dinny won't want to start building roads. They'll practically mix the cement for him.

Fr_Dougal

FG: no real ideas, but generally stable with no popularity contests when it comes to budgets.
FF: no real ideas, will promise the sun, moon, and stars to workers, and the unemployed to get elected; with no way of funding it. Of course they only want to get elected after Brexit so they can blame FG if it all goes pear shaped.
SF: Higher taxes, more to social welfare, and generally clueless.
Greens: ideas are to tax everything, at the cost of economic output.

Eric Cartman

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FG: no real ideas, but generally stable with no popularity contests when it comes to budgets.
FF: no real ideas, will promise the sun, moon, and stars to workers, and the unemployed to get elected; with no way of funding it. Of course they only want to get elected after Brexit so they can blame FG if it all goes pear shaped.
SF: Higher taxes, more to social welfare, and generally clueless.
Greens: ideas are to tax everything, at the cost of economic output.

RENUA : great ideas like a flat tax and tax cuts for all aslong as you can stomach a side of BABY KILLERS BABY KILLERS GOD JESUS LORD BAN ABORTIONS.

Galwayguy35

14dMoney wrote: »

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

So in other words you want to hammer those of us who already have to pay for everything even more.

Your post sounds like something Boyd Barrett would come out with.

jimwallace197

14dMoney wrote: »

It doesn't matter. Bottom line is that the welfare of our citizens must come first.

Welfare of our citizens will deteriorate fairly rapidly without a strong functioning private sector workforce to serve it. Something which has been long forgotten.

lan

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FG: no real ideas, but generally stable with no popularity contests when it comes to budgets.
FF: no real ideas, will promise the sun, moon, and stars to workers, and the unemployed to get elected; with no way of funding it. Of course they only want to get elected after Brexit so they can blame FG if it all goes pear shaped.
SF: Higher taxes, more to social welfare, and generally clueless.
Greens: ideas are to tax everything, at the cost of economic output.

Right, so to everyone then