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Ah, poor RTE is playing we have no money.....

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Sorry you're just cherry picking.

    The point is that many countries have licence fee that fund stations that also show ads just like here.

    As are you. Personally RTE lost all credibility in my eyes the night that the bank guarantee was turned into sovereign debt. Whilst TV3 explained the consequences and reasons behind the Dail action, RTE put on a film called 'Dinner for Schmucks'. Schmuck is a Yiddish word meaning 'jerk' or 'idiot'. Sums up what RTE takes the public for. RTE like the Irish Times should disappear behind a paywall those that want to watch the crap on it pay for it. Simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    They should scrap RTE 1 and 2, keep TG4 going as the only national license fee supported channel with no ads and just ensure that it does the news and weather in English straight after the Irish one each day.

    This means we could reduce the license fee substantially while still having more funds to increase the volume of some of the already excellent programming that TG4 broadcast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭bladespin


    There are so many 'institutions' here that need proper reforms, not a light dusting over to make them pretty, a proper roots up re-organisation RTE is a prime example.
    I don't understand why the govt haven't ordered this before, but now is definitely the time, I can appreciate with Health etc there will always be a reluctance to do anything as the minister will always get the blame and public opinion will go against them but TBH the general public have a very poor opinion of RTE, licence fee etc, it's open season.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    bladespin wrote: »
    I don't understand why the govt haven't ordered this before...

    A sitting government's top priority is always to win the next general election and stay in power. And who covers election issues and decides whether parties and politicians are represented favourably or unfavourably? RTE, of course.

    Threatening to dismantle RTE would only invite its producers, presenters, etc., to sway public opinion against the government, potentially tipping the narrow balance of power that keeps the government in office.

    On an individual level, any politician who tilts his or her lance at RTE is less likely to get positive media exposure.

    I'd guess many TDs have their private opinions on RTE. But it's notable how they never come out in favour of the taxpayer, always paying lip service to the idea that RTE is underfunded and needs more money, despite the fact that Tubridy earns nearly three times what Varadkar makes as Taoiseach.

    RTE is a bloated, antiquated behemoth. But you won't find many TDs who will risk their seats in the next GE by saying so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭bladespin


    A sitting government's top priority is always to win the next general election and stay in power. And who covers election issues and decides whether parties and politicians are represented favourably or unfavourably? RTE, of course.

    Threatening to dismantle RTE would only invite its producers, presenters, etc., to sway public opinion against the government, potentially tipping the narrow balance of power that keeps the government in office.

    My point is, that with the negative view the vast majority have against RTE, wouldn't it be more of a vote gain than loss nowadays?
    Bit like adding more duty on cigarettes, drink driving laws etc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    NIMAN wrote: »
    - Cooking in prison
    - Monkey tennis
    - Inner city sumo

    'Keeping Up with the Kinahans' could be a new reality show.
    Or 'Hanging with the Hutches'.


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.thejournal.ie/legislation-cap-salaries-of-rte-presenters-4807278-Sep2019/

    Ronan Mullen is capable of rational thought after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    bladespin wrote: »
    There are so many 'institutions' here that need proper reforms, not a light dusting over to make them pretty, a proper roots up re-organisation RTE is a prime example.
    I don't understand why the govt haven't ordered this before, but now is definitely the time, I can appreciate with Health etc there will always be a reluctance to do anything as the minister will always get the blame and public opinion will go against them but TBH the general public have a very poor opinion of RTE, licence fee etc, it's open season.

    The Labour party is close to RTE and the public sector unions. Way I see it, Labour probably would not let Fine Gael make reforms in RTE during the 2011-2016 coalition government. Now the public finances have improved so there is no longer a crying need for cutbacks (not that I wouldn't support a roots up re-org of RTE, I certainly would).

    In my experience , the older generation does not have a poor opinion of RTE but still relies on it for news, so they are getting RTE's slant and propaganda without realising that it is basically propaganda. My own mother is somewhat IT literate, has a computer, email, etc yet will still turn on the evening news on RTE at 6 or 9pm out of habit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,488 ✭✭✭✭lawred2



    must be a hole in the time space continuum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    lawred2 wrote: »
    must be a hole in the time space continuum

    ha ha politics is funny that way. :p

    No matter what side of an argument you pick you must be prepared to have strange bedfellows.

    Good healthy politics is always about issues rather than people anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    tdf7187 wrote: »
    The Labour party is close to RTE and the public sector unions. Way I see it, Labour probably would not let Fine Gael make reforms in RTE during the 2011-2016 coalition government. Now the public finances have improved so there is no longer a crying need for cutbacks (not that I wouldn't support a roots up re-org of RTE, I certainly would).

    In my experience , the older generation does not have a poor opinion of RTE but still relies on it for news, so they are getting RTE's slant and propaganda without realising that it is basically propaganda. My own mother is somewhat IT literate, has a computer, email, etc yet will still turn on the evening news on RTE at 6 or 9pm out of habit.

    Sure they had rabitte on about it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,578 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    El_Bee wrote: »
    It annoys me when people think we shouldn't criticize anything if it happens elsewhere, by that logic people should shut up about the the homeless and housing crisis because other countries have it worse.

    A poster was saying that it only happens in Ireland that stations are funded by both Licence fee and advertising , and I was pointing out that it's not the case.

    Simple as that. I did not say RTE is perfect or should not be criticised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,280 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I... agree... with... Ronan... fucking... Mullen... on something?

    I think I need a shower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Its time for the liquidators. Nice people from Toilette and Douche.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon



    I dunno, something about a stopped cock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,800 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    As are you. Personally RTE lost all credibility in my eyes the night that the bank guarantee was turned into sovereign debt. Whilst TV3 explained the consequences and reasons behind the Dail action, RTE put on a film called 'Dinner for Schmucks'. Schmuck is a Yiddish word meaning 'jerk' or 'idiot'. Sums up what RTE takes the public for. RTE like the Irish Times should disappear behind a paywall those that want to watch the crap on it pay for it. Simple.

    Didn't TV3 give an ultimatum to the then finance minister regarding publishing his cancer diagnosis?

    Yeah, really classy journalism right there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Didn't TV3 give an ultimatum to the then finance minister regarding publishing his cancer diagnosis?

    Yeah, really classy journalism right there.

    No idea what you on about, except can you address my comment instead of engaging in whataboutery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,800 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    No idea what you on about, except can you address my comment instead of engaging in whataboutery.

    TV3 gave Brian Lenihan 24 hours (Christmas Day if I recall correctly) to tell his children he had terminal cancer.

    Praising a newsroom that engages in such disgusting practices is the last thing any of us should be doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,313 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think that RTE should take a step back and fundamentally reassess how they fit into the media landscape in 2019. Things are very, very different to how they were in 1989. Back in those days, much of the country could only get RTE. Now, we have computers, we have smartphones, we have tablets, we have the Internet. So much stuff is now at our fingertips. As a result of this, people are now very independent in their viewing habits.

    RTE have to decide what things they can uniquely provide, and shift focus to doing those services in a quality way. I believe there is a place for RTE, because it's still the nearest thing we have to a unified cultural voice in Ireland, so RTE in my view, still has a societal role to play, otherwise we're all off watching vloggers and American boxsets.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Didn't TV3 give an ultimatum to the then finance minister regarding publishing his cancer diagnosis?

    Yeah, really classy journalism right there.

    That was horrible. A real low point for Irish journalism. Their newsroom has always tended towards the gutter, but Vincent Browne's show was the sort of analytic (often to the point of being quite turgid) current affairs broadcasting that RTE should be doing, rather than anodyne shite like Claire Byrne Live and that awful Brendan O'Connor show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    What about R.T.E.s Mission to Prey?
    Pure ****e where they jumped the gun, slandered a decent priest despite he offering to prove his innocence by doing a D.N.A. test.
    Typical R.T.E. arrogance ignored this and ended up paying hundreds of thousands in compensation and legal fees. The usual gob****es of licence fee payers footed the bill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    That was horrible. A real low point for Irish journalism. Their newsroom has always tended towards the gutter, but Vincent Browne's show was the sort of analytic (often to the point of being quite turgid) current affairs broadcasting that RTE should be doing, rather than anodyne shite like Claire Byrne Live and that awful Brendan O'Connor show.

    Browne is another lefty rich **** all for John Connors and his clan but no Hiace pulled up outside his house while the driver and pals rip off senior citizens. And the ***** who think he is good are worse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Edgware wrote: »
    Browne is another lefty rich **** all for John Connors and his clan but no Hiace pulled up outside his house while the driver and pals rip off senior citizens. And the ***** who think he is good are worse

    Thanks for the random incoherent rant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,681 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    howiya wrote: »
    in a couple of minutes times there'll be someone wheeled out to summarise the newspapers on morning Ireland. They'll return at 08:12 for another few minutes. Why can't Dobbo or one of the presenters do this segment. Far too many people working on one two hour long show.

    You'll love this :rolleyes: they were (may still be) contracting someone on a daily rate for that segment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    Main evening news by State broadcaster:

    RTE
    2 (opposite sex) news readers. 1 sports reader. Studio crew presumably. At least 4 ad breaks of ~5 mins. Repeat headlines after each break. Going live to reporters scattered around the country. Weather sponsored and provided by separate State body. 1 hour slot for 30 minutes work.

    BBC
    1 news reader. Remote control cameras on rails in studio. 1 sports reader. Weatherman. No ads or sponsorship. Main evening news done in no more than 20 minutes (then regional news).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,325 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Why is the HQ on the most expensive real estate in Dublin? Sell that and relocate somewhere else it must be worth well north of 100 million.

    Or just privatise it if there is any interested buyer.
    It's only the older generation watch it, it won't be missed if it went to the wall, not in this day and age where media is on demand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Few things bring out the ire of mouth breathers more than the subject of RTÉ. A strong and independent state broadcaster is one of the strongest signals of a healthy democracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Few things bring out the ire of mouth breathers more than the subject of RTÉ. A strong and independent state broadcaster is one of the strongest signals of a healthy democracy.

    Do you actually think your attempt of provocation is relevant? It's a forum for comment , seriously what does your pathetic replies contribute?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,857 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    rob316 wrote: »
    Why is the HQ on the most expensive real estate in Dublin? Sell that and relocate somewhere else it must be worth well north of 100 million.

    Or just privatise it if there is any interested buyer.
    It's only the older generation watch it, it won't be missed if it went to the wall, not in this day and age where media is on demand.


    Moving the HQ a half hour outside this might result in 'contractors' and 'lifer' staff having to spend an additional 20 minutes in their car going to their completely free and unsustainable parking place, the unions would block it like they do performing any actual work outside the news during summer school holidays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,471 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    That was horrible. A real low point for Irish journalism. Their newsroom has always tended towards the gutter, but Vincent Browne's show was the sort of analytic (often to the point of being quite turgid) current affairs broadcasting that RTE should be doing, rather than anodyne shite like Claire Byrne Live and that awful Brendan O'Connor show.


    Brown was an insufferable tyrant that abused his guests (unless he agreed with them).
    Asking the same question for ten minutes and obviously not getting an answer ain't analytical.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    They should stop paying the likes of Marian Finucane, Joe Duffy, Ryan Tubridy, Ray Darcy etc. astronomical wages. What do they do that is so important to justify their wages? Their jobs certainly don't warrant their salaries and the same applies to everyone else who works in RTE. Sort that out and then maybe that would be a start towards RTE saving money.
    Their wages should reflect their earning power. Tv stations make money on advertising. If your show pulls in enough viewers to pay your 400,000 a year salary, I've no problem with it. If it doesn't, off with you. They say they have to pay their "talent" top money otherwise they'll go elsewhere but that's sh!te. The ones like Graham Norton who can make it in the UK are few and far between. The rest of us peasants have to cut our cloth and RTE should be the same. Reduce the salaries and they wouldn't have to rely on license fees. Plenty of tv stations manage to run just fine without public assistance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    A strong and independent state broadcaster is one of the strongest signals of a healthy democracy.

    Yeah but this thread is about RTE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Aceso


    There are doctors getting paid less than Lottie Ryan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    Their wages should reflect their earning power. Tv stations make money on advertising. If your show pulls in enough viewers to pay your 400,000 a year salary, I've no problem with it. If it doesn't, off with you. They say they have to pay their "talent" top money otherwise they'll go elsewhere but that's sh!te. The ones like Graham Norton who can make it in the UK are few and far between. The rest of us peasants have to cut our cloth and RTE should be the same. Reduce the salaries and they wouldn't have to rely on license fees. Plenty of tv stations manage to run just fine without public assistance.


    The Director General should lay it down very simply to the big names - Given RTE's budgetary constraints, we're cutting salaries by 50%.

    That leaves you with three options:

    1) Go to Virgin Media / Other Commercial entity - Enjoy lower production values, lower audience share, less support staff and considerably less job security.

    2) Try your luck in Britain - Where many of the RTE talent would be fortunate to end up presenting the graveyard shift on BBC East Anglia & their performance will be subjected to far greater levels of scrutiny from station bosses, the press and public alike.

    3) Agree a new contract with RTE and be thankful you're doing a cushy enough job, for many multiples of the average industrial wage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,852 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Aceso wrote: »
    There are doctors getting paid less than Lottie Ryan.

    Yeah, but those doctors hadn’t a famous daddy who was well tied in to RTE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Few things bring out the ire of mouth breathers more than the subject of RTÉ. A strong and independent state broadcaster is one of the strongest signals of a healthy democracy.

    I would say a strong, independent, and pluralist public broadcaster might be a good thing (being independent is nice and all, but if that independence leads to people who all think in the same way coopting each other and being allowed to have a publicly funded broadcaster only represent a small subset of opinions within the country in the name of that independence, I don’t call it public service and it is therefore not qualified to receive public funds anymore).

    IMO RTÉ is neither independent nor pluralist, and might be beyond the point whereby the issues can be fixed. This is why even though I am in favour of having a public broadcaster in principle, I would be happy to have a referendum on scrapping RTÉ to apply maximal pressure on them and give them a last chance to reflect and change drastically before the vote, and I would not hesitate to vote to scrap it if I was not satisfied with the changes.

    At the end of the day we are paying for RTÉ and if a majority of the country doesn’t think they are doing a good job, there is no reason to keep it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Wonder did Miriam feel any shame when the piece finished and it came back to her to finish the show?

    I'd say not. She probably thinks she isn't being paid enough, what with being one of the nation's darlings.

    She is a traitor to the planet for her contributions to overpopulation and over consumption.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    rob316 wrote: »
    Why is the HQ on the most expensive real estate in Dublin? Sell that and relocate somewhere else it must be worth well north of 100 million.

    Or just privatise it if there is any interested buyer.
    It's only the older generation watch it, it won't be missed if it went to the wall, not in this day and age where media is on demand.

    Thats a sensible idea. None of that talk allowed.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There was a competition on the Late Late show last night for a trip to New York, and the video promo for the competition had Tubridy at Dublin airport flying to New York just to stand outside a hotel and say you could stay here. They did the same with Marty Morrissey a couple of week ago during a GAA match. What a fierce waste of money, and no doubt they flew business class. Surely there's a green screen in Montrose that could have been used instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Bob24 wrote: »
    IMO RTÉ is neither independent nor pluralist, and might be beyond the point whereby the issues can be fixed.

    I agree with public broadcasting but think rte should be scrapped. Not sure we can really do it in this country tbh...2 words...lottie ryan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    There was a competition on the Late Late show last night for a trip to New York, and the video promo for the competition had Tubridy at Dublin airport flying to New York just to stand outside a hotel and say you could stay here. They did the same with Marty Morrissey a couple of week ago during a GAA match. What a fierce waste of money, and no doubt they flew business class. Surely there's a green screen in Montrose that could have been used instead.
    Are you saying they flew to New York?
    If so, was that to show the plebs that New York actually exists? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Are you saying they flew to New York?
    If so, was that to show the plebs that New York actually exists? :)
    They still haven't sent me the tickets to tir na og and the 5000 Schilling.....won the prize fairly. Told lottie to pull me out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Why is a television license paying for:

    RTRadio One
    RTRaidi Gaeltachta
    RTLyric FM
    RTPerforming Groups
    Broadcasting Authority of Ireland levy
    BCI Sound and Vision fund
    Collection Costs from An Post/Communications and Social Protection Departments

    Not to mention the orchestras!!!

    Don't forget their ridiculous website that hoovers up all the Irish online advertising, annihilating any potential competition. I also dislike their reportonf style and the Mrs tells me there's loads of 'entertainment' news about shows on Virgin Media...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are you saying they flew to New York?
    If so, was that to show the plebs that New York actually exists? :)

    Oh yes, Ryan standing outside a hotel in Manhattan, a quick shot of Marty in Times Square. Sure whats 10 or 20 grand to RTE anyway, they'd be mad not to send the lads over to the big apple for a weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    randd1 wrote: »
    - Irish version of Takeshi's Castle/Wipeout, with genuinely funny and difficult obstacles, and without the bleeping for the cursing.
    - A series based on how alcohol affects you doing every day things. They do the thing normally first, then everyone has a feed drinks and then tries to them. Episodes would include driving (obviously on a race track and not at speed), 5 a side soccer, writing a business letter, making a dinner, riding a bike. A bit of a laugh and a bit educational too.
    - Satirical news show along the lines of Waterford Whispers.
    - Spoof comedy along the lines of Fr Ted based around a Sunday league team.
    - Simple question based game show where players start with 100 points and take points off each other until they eliminate each other.
    - For the sports enthusiast, a GAA magazine show during the summer. Talk to obscure clubs and players, local characters instead of the usual 10 or so people.
    - Visual programme about Irish wildlife/scenery. The TV3 drone over Ireland programme as a template.
    - Set aside 30 minutes a weekday evening for independently home produced programmes who are shown based on a competition. Meets the "assist Irish arts" criteria and costs them nothing bar a fraction of some of the higher ups wages in prize money.

    Set up work experience programmes with various universities and IT's to take in a set number of media students every year to help run the programmes and cut costs. Can provide fresh blood/talent to the station as an aside

    Some programmes and an idea for new blood/lower costs pulled out of my arse in the space of 5 minutes. Surely they can do actually better with a bit of planning.

    These are all* great ideas. Get this man a job.

    *Apart from the football comedy. I vaguely recall a BBC Scotland show along these lines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Few things bring out the ire of mouth breathers more than the subject of RTÉ. A strong and independent state broadcaster is one of the strongest signals of a healthy democracy.

    Our democracy is ****ed then


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭zeebre12


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Yeah, but those doctors hadn’t a famous daddy who was well tied in to RTE

    What is Lottie Ryan on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    What is Lottie Ryan on?

    I'm not sure I'm strong enough to resist this opening...


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Aceso


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    What is Lottie Ryan on?

    Erm....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    What is Lottie Ryan on?

    For her sake, not what daddy was on.


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