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Boggles

jay0109 wrote: »

I will of course do the heavy lifting for you! You just hold on there and I'll be right back:rolleyes:

Some sort of evidence or proof of claim is hardly heavy lifting is it?

Just common manners I would have thought.

Wibbs

Seathrun66 wrote: »

They have no doctors or engineers?

They do, though doctors and engineers tend not to be on rickety boats plying their way across the Mediterranean looking to sneak into the EU. They don't have to. They apply or are headhunted and rock up here legally.

eagle eye

Boggles wrote:

Some sort of evidence or proof of claim is hardly heavy lifting is it?

What's your opinion on things? I'm following the thread and all I see from you is smart arse comments and criticising others but nothing of any substance.

Boggles

jay0109 wrote: »

I will of course do the heavy lifting for you! You just hold on there anùd I'll be right back:rolleyes:

Edit...It's a nice day out and I'm in a good mood so why not do my good deed for the day. Here's an oldie but a classic that I found in Google as the very 1st search result...top of the page, can you Adam and Eve it!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/influx-of-asylum-seekers-causes-concern-1.75682
Just the 90% applying did so at the offices in Dublin.

PS...I love the bit that says we were only getting about 100 asylum seekers a yr in the early and mid 90s. Sometimes there's a lot to be said for being a relatively poor country!

Ah Jaysus not only is it pay walled it's over 21 years old.

So not so well documented as you claimed.

Boggles

eagle eye wrote: »

What's your opinion on things?

On Things?

Could be here a while with that one.

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm following the thread and all I see from you is smart arse comments and criticising others but nothing of any substance.

Good for you lad.

At least you are adding sterling contributions.

eagle eye

Boggles wrote:

Could be here a while with that one.

On this particular subject.

Boggles wrote:

At least you are adding sterling contributions.

Nothing new here, same as always. Does anybody actually like you IRL?

Boggles

eagle eye wrote: »

Nothing new here, same as always. Does anybody actually like you IRL?

Took me a while to get IRL.

Keep trucking lad, super stuff.

Seathrun66

jay0109 wrote: »

I will of course do the heavy lifting for you! You just hold on there anùd I'll be right back:rolleyes:

Edit...It's a nice day out and I'm in a good mood so why not do my good deed for the day. Here's an oldie but a classic that I found in Google as the very 1st search result...top of the page, can you Adam and Eve it!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/influx-of-asylum-seekers-causes-concern-1.75682
Just the 90% applying did so at the offices in Dublin.

PS...I love the bit that says we were only getting about 100 asylum seekers a yr in the early and mid 90s. Sometimes there's a lot to be said for being a relatively poor country!

Your article shows nothing to back up the claim you made about an illegal route via Northern Ireland. If well-documented please give us a source instead of just throwing up some random post about asylum seekers from 1997. You're struggling, let me help. There's no such documentation and you're again inventing stuff.

Seathrun66

topper75 wrote: »

Racists make up a tiny minority of British society.
I don't feel any need to control the colour of skin of people entering Ireland. I am very much concerned with numbers though. Our EU membership however prevents us controlling the numbers. We saw the Brussels money and didn't think it through. It also foists obligations on us to accept illegals arriving on Med beaches, that would otherwise be nothing to do with us. Expect more 're-distributions' soon. Say given to the people of Ireland on the matter - nil. Obligations for Britain in that regard this winter - nil.

That so? Then why the 52% for Brexit whose campaign was founded on a heavy dose of xenophobia. Some scratching under the surface and the fear of the other seeped through very quickly.

Regarding refugees we signed up to that.

Regarding EU nationals freedom of movement (again signed up to) means we accept all citizens of the other 27 states who have right of residence for three months without conditions under Directive 2004/38/EC. After three months residence is allowed as long as the person has sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence. There are exemptions to this (particularly sickness) but basically it allows states to deport EU nationals who are not contributing to the country they are newly resident in. Most states choose not to act upon this because the vast majority of new arrivals are net contributors to the state (€2,300 per annum more from EU citizens than UK citizens to the UK Treasury). However, Belgium chose to ant others could follow. Long story short - we're not powerless to act.

Seathrun66

Wibbs wrote: »

They do, though doctors and engineers tend not to be on rickety boats plying their way across the Mediterranean looking to sneak into the EU. They don't have to. They apply or are headhunted and rock up here legally.

Source please. Preferably a breakdown of the occupations of Sudanese, Eritrean & other nationalities fleeing wars and persecution. If no information then better not to post random thoughts backed up by cloud formations.

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

That so? Then why the 52% for Brexit whose campaign was founded on a heavy dose of xenophobia. Some scratching under the surface and the fear of the other seeped through very quickly.

Regarding refugees we signed up to that.

Regarding EU nationals freedom of movement (again signed up to) means we accept all citizens of the other 27 states who have right of residence for three months without conditions under Directive 2004/38/EC. After three months residence is allowed as long as the person has sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence. There are exemptions to this (particularly sickness) but basically it allows states to deport EU nationals who are not contributing to the country they are newly resident in. Most states choose not to act upon this because the vast majority of new arrivals are net contributors to the state (€2,300 per annum more from EU citizens than UK citizens to the UK Treasury). However, Belgium chose to ant others could follow. Long story short - we're not powerless to act.

To call everyone who voted for Brexit racist is frankly pathetic.

Jeremy Corbyn was strongly EU sceptic until recently and possibly or probably voted leave as did many more on the far left.

enricoh

We're constantly told all the asylum seekers are itching to get out of direct provision n get out working and contributing.
Have any of the many quangos involved ever done a follow up n filled us in on what percentage are working away, say, 5 or 10 years after getting asylum or leave to remain?
If not, why not?
Surely it'd be a good news story for the asylum industry?!!

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

To call everyone who voted for Brexit racist is frankly pathetic.

Jeremy Corbyn was strongly EU sceptic until recently and possibly or probably voted leave as did many more on the far left.

To summarise - not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist. But every racist voted for Brexit.

Corbyn campaigned heavily for and voted for Remain (not something the right-wing press there are keen to report on), he's not a huge EU fan but he's in favour of it. If you can produce any reportage on him saying he wanted or wants Brexit then I'll accept that. He this week agreed to push for a second referendum with Remain as an option.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

////Preferably a breakdown of the occupations of Sudanese, Eritrean ....

Strange as these two countries you named so quickly don't even feature on the top5 over recent months:



Only locations such as war-torn? S.Africa (Cape town is real nice this time of year, not too warm, just a colling brezze on the beachs and boardwalks) maybe you missed the recent tourism ad campaigns.

And the 'highly organised' Albanians, sure maybe they're fighting some sort of undisclosed inter-galactical space war with the clingons up in the clouds.

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

To summarise - not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist. But every racist voted for Brexit.

Corbyn campaigned heavily for and voted for Remain (not something the right-wing press there are keen to report on), he's not a huge EU fan but he's in favour of it. If you can produce any reportage on him saying he wanted or wants Brexit then I'll accept that. He this week agreed to push for a second referendum with Remain as an option.

And the number of racists in Britain is miniscule.

There's a difference between being a racist and someone who wants to control who comes into the country. A huge difference. I wouldn't want a caucasian serial rapist coming into this country for example.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Strange as these two countries you named so quickly don't even feature on the top5 over recent months:



Only locations such as war-torn? S.Africa (Cape town is real nice this time of year, not too warm, just a colling brezze on the beachs and boardwalks) maybe you missed the recent tourism ad campaigns.

And the 'highly organised' Albanians, sure maybe they're fighting some sort of undisclosed inter-galactical space war with the clingons up in the clouds.

Why would Albanians cross the Mediterranean, unless very lost? They've a land route and an Adriatic route should you require a geographical link. I'll note that alongside your grammar, spelling and erratic sources.

The countries named were those with recent wars and a refugee issue. I could add in Libya, Syria and others too.

topper75

Seathrun66 wrote: »

That so? Then why the 52% for Brexit whose campaign was founded on a heavy dose of xenophobia.

Is being a sovereign state xenophobic by definition in your take?
I don't see how taking powers from an entity outside your country and restoring them to your own government could be so. The outcome may upset us here unfortunately but I have to grudgingly admire their determined efforts to restore sanity when things have clearly gone too far. They are drinking coffee when Ireland's political alarm clock hasn't even sounded.
Maybe 1916 could be regarded as xenophobic the way you appear to view things?

I don't think we need academic peer-reviews article to prove to anyone that doctors and engineers are not on life rafts paddling across the Med in order to declare "here I am, I'm your problem now". The work visa route is wide open to any such qualified people. What is arriving sadly is the dregs. Been near any train stations in Italy of late?

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

To summarise - not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist....

Correct, we'll you'd hope so as there was 17.4m of them.

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And the number of racists in Britain is miniscule.

There's a difference between being a racist and someone who wants to control who comes into the country. A huge difference. I wouldn't want a caucasian serial rapist coming into this country for example.

Proof of the first?

And who would? You do realise that Ireland is entitled to block any convicted criminals?

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Correct, we'll you'd hope so as there was 17.4m of them.

Nice to see you get a figure correct as opposed to the wrong years of US administrations.

And you're back to the spelling stuff. Please read back your own post about uneducated and illiterate refugees. Ironic in retrospect.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

The countries named were those with recent wars and a refugee issue. .

So you can clarify yes, why the top 5 countries in the last few months aren't 'war-torn' (as you appear keep dropping this term at every opportunity)?

Seathrun66

topper75 wrote: »

Is being a sovereign state xenophobic by definition in your take?
I don't see how taking powers from an entity outside your country and restoring them to your own government could be so. The outcome may upset us here unfortunately but I have to grudgingly admire their determined efforts to restore sanity when things have clearly gone too far. They are drinking coffee when Ireland's political alarm clock hasn't even sounded.
Maybe 1916 could be regarded as xenophobic the way you appear to view things?

I don't think we need academic peer-reviews article to prove to anyone that doctors and engineers are not on life rafts paddling across the Med in order to declare "here I am, I'm your problem now". The work visa route is wide open to any such qualified people. What is arriving sadly is the dregs. Been near any train stations in Italy of late?

Taking what exact powers?

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nice to see you get a figure correct as opposed to the wrong years of US administrations.

Ah yes the famous 'POTUS2021' as it isn't know, or ever referred to.

Great to see you change the subject again, while you run your regular nazi spell checks (empty vessels sure do make the most noise), good lad, sure you'd make a good Drillmaster walking around with a bigstick.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So you can clarify yes, why the top 5 countries in the last few months aren't 'war-torn' (as you appear keep dropping this term at every opportunity)?

Please report a source for this. And the percentage of those applications refused. Or look back at mine. Are you telling me that South African & Nigerian nationals are crossing the Mediterranean in boats rather than flying in? If so give me some documentation or links on that.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Ah yes the famous 'POTUS2021' as it isn't know, or ever referred to.

Great to see you change the subject again, while you run your regular nazi spell checks, good lad sure you'd make a good drillmaster.

Relevant given the adjectives you used regarding the literacy and education of refugees. Maybe choose your words carefully when criticising others. Otherwise karma may bite you yet again.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Strange as these two countries you named so quickly don't even feature on the top5 over recent months:



Only locations such as war-torn? S.Africa (Cape town is real nice this time of year, not too warm, just a colling brezze on the beachs and boardwalks) maybe you missed the recent tourism ad campaigns.

And the 'highly organised' Albanians, sure maybe they're fighting some sort of undisclosed inter-galactical space war with the clingons up in the clouds.

Just checked the countries again. Are you aware where any of them are? And how unlikely it is they'd use the Mediterranean. Georgia is in Eurasia. Again a land route. And Zimbabwe, next door to South Africa. Those guys ain't covering the continent to get a boat.

https://www.worldatlas.com/

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Relevant given the adjectives you used regarding the literacy and education of refugees. Maybe choose your words carefully when criticising others. Otherwise karma may bite you yet again.

So you only substance of any worth so far is to focus on an occasional typo, my oh my what a real intellectual we have here, don't tell us, your in Mensa too?

Go on tell me all about this 'karma', (an unproved woo-woo hocus pocus principle), read about it in a big book with pictures of lads flying about on carpets? Thought so.

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

And who would? You do realise that Ireland is entitled to block any convicted criminals?

Many who voted for Brexit don't either and it could be a French, German or Spanish rapist for all they care. Its about controlling borders.

There are likely no more racists in the UK per capita than any other country.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Just checked the countries again. Are you aware where any of them are? And how unlikely it is they'd use the Mediterranean. Georgia is in Eurasia. Again a land route. And Zimbabwe, next door to South Africa. Those guys ain't covering the continent to get a boat.

Didn't have to check a map (like yourself). Only asking you why it is (irrelevant of the Med), that the top5 IPO applicants aren't even war-torn.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So you only substance of any worth so far is to focus on an occasional typo, my oh my what a real intellectual we have here, don't tell us, your in Mensa too?

Go on tell me all about this 'karma', (an unproved woo-woo hocus pocus principle), read about it in a big book with pictures of lads flying about on carpets? Thought so.

Another one. I've never pulled anyone up on grammar or spelling before but necessary here with your reactionary adjectives regarding the literacy and intellect of refugees. Karma there as the exact thing you criticised them for (without any factual basis) is exactly what you've displayed on this thread. Glass houses and all....

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Many who voted for Brexit don't either and it could be a French, German or Spanish rapist for all they care. Its about controlling borders.

There are likely no more racists in the UK per capita than any other country.

You said the numbers are miniscule. From what research?

Regarding criminals the point remains the same. All EU countries are entitled to block them. You do know that, don't you?

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And the number of racists in Britain is miniscule.

How do you define minuscule, have you a number?

What data are you basing your assertions on?

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Didn't have to check a map (like yourself). Only asking you why it is (irrelevant of the Med), that the top5 IPO applicants aren't even war-torn.

Well, you nailed me there.

And refugee status has never been dependent on war. Political, racial, sexuality persecution, etc, etc. You're fully aware of that surely?

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

You said the numbers are miniscule. From what research?

Regarding criminals the point remains the same. All EU countries are entitled to block them. You do know that, don't you?

Yes they are. Very difficult and virtually impossible to fully enforce as the UK found out.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/mar/29/eu-dangerous-criminals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Another one. I've never pulled anyone up on grammar or spelling before but necessary here with your reactionary adjectives regarding the literacy and intellect of refugees. Karma there as the exact thing you criticised them for (without any factual basis) is exactly what you've displayed on this thread. Glass houses and all....

So you're confirming the suggestion of empty vessels (making noise and all...)

Listen if you've nothing worthwhile to put forward, why not get schooled yourself by all these Doctors, Programmers & Engineers in their 'undisputed' perfect 'grade A' English.

Jumping out of light crafts (after handing 6-10k to criminal trafficking gangs). Here's a top tip: double check their Phd papers using UV light for true authenticity.

Seathrun66

Anyway, I'm offline now to meet with more harmonious people. Hopefully I'll check in tomorrow and find some posts with good sources, research and factual arguments that put me in my place and justify some of the reactionary dislike of foreigners and refugees here. I live in hope. don't let me down guys.

Harvey Weinstein

Seathrun it should be said is someone who's on the gravy train. Pulling in big money to shill for refugees immigration etc
Likely has a background in the legal profession, possibly some flirtation in the past with a political career. Almost certainly working for a large scale NGO

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Yes they are. Very difficult and virtually impossible to fully enforce as the UK found out.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/mar/29/eu-dangerous-criminals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

No, not at all. Read the article before posting. You've just successfully argued against your own case here. Thanks for saving me the bother.

Mr. teddywinkles

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Relevant given the adjectives you used regarding the literacy and education of refugees. Maybe choose your words carefully when criticising others. Otherwise karma may bite you yet again.

If these places are so wartorn or poverty stricken is it not right to say education would be there last priority. So which is it. Great education or wartorn and broken countries.

ToBeFrank123

Boggles wrote: »

How do you define minuscule, have you a number?

What data are you basing your assertions on?

Yep

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

The BNP won a whopping 1.9% at the 2010 election. The national front won an impressive 0.04%!

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

And refugee status has never been dependent on war

So why are you always banging on about these 'war-torn' folks, don't you even bother to read your own posts after spewing them out?

Maybe to busy running to the Speak and Spell game.

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

No, not at all. Read the article before posting. You've just successfully argued against your own case here. Thanks for saving me the bother.

I read the article. In theory they can keep out criminals. In reality dozens got in.

I prefer to deal with the reality if thats ok?

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So you're confirming the suggestion of empty vessels (making noise and all...)

Listen if you've nothing worthwhile to put forward, why not get schooled yourself by all these Doctors, Programmers & Engineers in their 'undisputed' perfect 'grade A' English.

Jumping out of light crafts (after handing 6-10k to criminal trafficking gangs). Here's a top tip: double check their Phd papers using UV light for true authenticity.

You obviously don't get the Glass Houses proverb. Easily checked and not too intellectually challenging. Give yourself a few minutes.

My schooling is long done. And much of it by people from some of the nations you have such disdain for. Many of whom (in their second or third language) could help improve your own. Pro bono if you drop the hatred.

Mr. teddywinkles

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So why are you always banging on about these 'war-torn' folks, don't you even bother to read your own posts after spewing them out?

Maybe to busy running to the Speak and Spell game.

We're the uneducated ones. We can't spell

Seathrun66

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

If these places are so wartorn or poverty stricken is it not right to say education would be there last priority. So which is it. Great education or wartorn and broken countries.

What was Irish education like before and during the War of Independence/Civil War.

What was the British/German/French education standard before and during WWI and WWII?

You surely realise that most of these refugees of working age were already educated pre-war?

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Yep

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

The BNP won a whopping 1.9% at the 2010 election. The national front won an impressive 0.04%!

With no xenophobic representation in the Conservative Party? From today's Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/20/conservative-members-suspended-for-online-islamophobia

And 2010? Nothing more current?

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So why are you always banging on about these 'war-torn' folks, don't you even bother to read your own posts after spewing them out?

Maybe to busy running to the Speak and Spell game.

Examples, my dear boy, examples.

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I read the article. In theory they can keep out criminals. In reality dozens got in.

I prefer to deal with the reality if thats ok?

Negligent policing. Not negligent legislation.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

My schooling is long done.

Sure is.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

And much of it by people from some of the nations you have such disdain for.

You can withdraw that.
I'm pro-migration. Legal migration that is, if that's not too offensive to you.
But sure, maybe you're one of the beneficiaries of the trafficking system, or the expenses racket that evolves out of it, maybe you run the catering, hotel, or some other lucrative contracts that lines pocket.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Many of whom (in their second or third language) could help improve your own.

So anyone that can speak more that one language is suddenly working with an upper range advanced IQ? Well this is certainly fresh news to the wider academia.

Spelling check to commence in 3,2,1....

Seathrun66

Anyway, adieu lads. You've got twelve or more hours to come up with something more substantial than an anecdote about foreigners stealing your beer or women or something like that. Use some research or facts and win the argument.