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oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

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    #872
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    And you honestly believe that.

    'wise up'.

    What percentage of people refused asylum are actually deported?


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    #873
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Geuze wrote: »
    Is there any way AS claims could be dealt with in airports / ports, within 7 days, so we could then end direct provision?

    There are tons of ways but the whole point of the current system is to make it horrendous, based on the notion that these people are just scroungers here to live off social welfare or derkerrjerbs.

    Ironically, anyone willing to go through all that sh1t to essentially be a prisoner in a foreign country has surely proven the seriousness of their situation but still they get no rights.

    I used to work beside the Immigration place on Mount St and people threatened with deportation regularly threatened to hang themselves or set themselves on fire on site. A bit of an extreme reaction when faced with losing your dilapidated chalet in Mosney and €19 a week I would have thought. Don't think it ever made the news mind...


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    #874
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    Ironically, anyone willing to go through all that sh1t to essentially be a prisoner in a foreign country has surely proven the seriousness of their situation but still they get no rights.


    Prisoner?

    AS are free to leave DP at any time.

    Some are waiting for their first decision. These need to be done faster.

    The rest choose to appeal, and appeal, and appeal.

    They are not "stuck in DP", they choose to appeal the decision.


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    #875
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,281 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    What percentage of people refused asylum are actually deported?

    Anything below 100% is unacceptable


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    #876
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Geuze wrote: »
    Prisoner?

    AS are free to leave DP at any time.

    Some are waiting for their first decision. These need to be done faster.

    The rest choose to appeal, and appeal, and appeal.

    They are not "stuck in DP", they choose to appeal the decision.

    They're appealing to not be deported back to the place they fled, not because they love direct provision so much.


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    #877
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    And you honestly believe that.

    'wise up'.

    That’s what actually happens. What do you believe happens?


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    #878
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    What percentage of people refused asylum are actually deported?

    All that don’t leave under their own steam - which is the majority.


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    #879
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    alastair wrote: »
    All that don’t leave under their own steam - which is the majority.

    Hahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha.

    Wait, are you serious?


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    #880
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Geuze wrote: »
    Is there any way AS claims could be dealt with in airports / ports, within 7 days, so we could then end direct provision?

    The delay in asylum applications is in investigating the claim. It doesn’t matter when the application begins.


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    #881
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Hahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha.

    Wait, are you serious?

    Yes. That’s what happens. You think there’s a bunch of refused asylum seekers living underground, with no means of employment or support, that nobody notices?


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    #882
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    alastair wrote: »
    Yes. That’s what happens. You think there’s a bunch of refused asylum seekers living underground, with no means of employment or support, that nobody notices?

    Your naivete is astounding in this day and age.


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    #883
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Your naivete is astounding in this day and age.

    I’m not the one propagating fairy tales. Where are these supposed refused asylum seekers then? Because they’re certainly not evident to the Gardai, who only had to enforce deportation orders on 10% of those served notice.


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    #884
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Your naivete is astounding in this day and age.

    He no more believes that's what actually happens than I do.


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    #885
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    He no more believes that's what actually happens than I do.

    Your alternate belief is based on what, exactly?


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    #886
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    Of course you arent:rolleyes:

    Nope. Evidence to the contrary?


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    #887
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Hahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha.

    Wait, are you serious?

    No one could be that naive, surely?


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    #888
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    alastair wrote: »
    Nope. Evidence to the contrary?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/case-of-bray-boy-facing-deportation-not-tenable-just-or-fair-1.3670568

    Refused asylum, refused leave to remain. Still in Ireland. Took all of 2 seconds.


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    #889
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    What percentage of people refused asylum are actually deported?

    They up n leave of their own free will don't ya know after coming from fook knows where.
    What exactly is the acceptance for asylum here. Two guys from same country. 1 rejected other not. Theres a war in his town but not the other fellas?


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    #890
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    They're appealing to not be deported back to the place they fled, not because they love direct provision so much.



    Please note many AS are bogus, they are Asian males fleeing, wait for it.......................the UK.

    Yes, please see section 3.4 here:


    https://www.esri.ie/system/files?file=media/file-uploads/2018-06/RS72.pdf


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    #891
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    What percentage of people refused asylum are actually deported?

    Many people refused asylum are given "leave to remain".


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    #892
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/crackdown-on-illegal-immigrant-taxi-drivers-37191230.html

    Illegall immigrants making a good living driving us around in taxis.


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    #893
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,967 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    They up n leave of their own free will don't ya know after coming from fook knows where.

    Yeah they do.
    Any person who is the subject of a deportation order is legally obliged to remove themselves from the State.
    Figures show that a total of 181 people chose to return home voluntarily in 2017. Of that number, 96 were assisted by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM), with funding provided by the Department of
    Justice and Equality


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    #894
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    I know a guy. Let's just say he's 'Asian'. He's got full citizenship now. But for a good while he was here and not permitted to work. He wound up taking a job in one of these oriental restaurants getting paid something like €3-4 and hour.

    I'm not derailing this into a discussion about business ethics but suffice to say surviving here under the radar can be done. Easily seemingly.

    I don't think he was here as an asylum seeker. In fact I'm pretty sure he wasn't. But the point stands.


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    #895
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Geuze wrote: »
    Please note many AS are bogus, they are Asian males fleeing, wait for it.......................the UK.

    Yes, please see section 3.4 here:


    https://www.esri.ie/system/files?file=media/file-uploads/2018-06/RS72.pdf

    They are pouring in over the border from the North. Sure didnt that maniac that stabbed the japanese guy in Dundalk come in via Larne.

    I wonder how hes getting on.


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    #896
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/case-of-bray-boy-facing-deportation-not-tenable-just-or-fair-1.3670568

    Refused asylum, refused leave to remain. Still in Ireland. Took all of 2 seconds.

    Perhaps you should have invested more than two seconds? Nobody was refused asylum in that case - since none was claimed. Leena Mei Mei Xue isn’t a refused asylum seeker.


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    #897
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Geuze wrote: »
    Many people refused asylum are given "leave to remain".

    Nope. Some are, and they’re included in the stats for approvals.


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    #898
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    I know a guy. Let's just say he's 'Asian'. He's got full citizenship now. But for a good while he was here and not permitted to work. He wound up taking a job in one of these oriental restaurants getting paid something like €3-4 and hour.

    I'm not derailing this into a discussion about business ethics but suffice to say surviving here under the radar can be done. Easily seemingly.

    I don't think he was here as an asylum seeker. In fact I'm pretty sure he wasn't. But the point stands.

    Over 180 that we know of were driving taxis. And they are just the ones we know about. Illegal immigrants driving public service vehicles.


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    #899
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    They up n leave of their own free will don't ya know after coming from fook knows where.
    What exactly is the acceptance for asylum here. Two guys from same country. 1 rejected other not. Theres a war in his town but not the other fellas?

    Nope - they’re served with deportation orders. They leave under those orders.


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    #900
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    alastair wrote: »
    Perhaps you should have invested more than two seconds? Nobody was refused asylum in that case - since none was claimed. Leena Mei Mei Xue isn’t a refused asylum seeker.

    "Eric's mother Leena Mei Mei Xue, was 19 when she arrived in Ireland illegally in 2006." - My mistake she was just a plain old illegal alien.


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    #901
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    I know a guy. Let's just say he's 'Asian'. He's got full citizenship now. But for a good while he was here and not permitted to work. He wound up taking a job in one of these oriental restaurants getting paid something like €3-4 and hour.

    I'm not derailing this into a discussion about business ethics but suffice to say surviving here under the radar can be done. Easily seemingly.

    I don't think he was here as an asylum seeker. In fact I'm pretty sure he wasn't. But the point stands.

    Well it doesn’t. Because he wasn’t issued with a deportation order, was he? All refused asylum seekers are, and your pal was most likely working a student visa, as most illegal Asian workers here are. It allows legitimate entry here which isn’t particularly under the radar.


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