oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

topper75

Boggles wrote: »

Firstly why do you think all Albanians want to come here and draw the dole, did it not occur to you they may want to come here and work.

Possibly yes, but why engage with abuse of the asylum system instead of seeking a regular work visa if they have skills we need. Doesn't add up, unless by work you mean traffic jam windscreen washing.

It is worth noting that these guys in particular have now outstripped the Syrians if you don't mind with claims in Ireland. There is no war in the country oddly.

4068ac1elhodqr

Boggles wrote: »

It's not that easy.
But again why do you think all Albanians are feckless?
You must have some evidence to back up such an assertion.
Or is it just unfounded prejudice?

Why do you think thery're all Saints?

Not 'all' are 'feckless' of course, but you can draw some assumptions and trends from evidence via stats from just across the water in the uk:

‘They’re sophisticated, clever – and they always deliver’: from the ports of Europe to the streets of London, one criminal network is now at the top of the UK’s £5bn trade

Such antics help explain why Albanians are the third largest foreign nationality in UK prisons. The figure is even more startling when considering the tiny number of UK organised criminals the NCA believes are Albanian – 0.8%.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/kings-of-cocaine-albanian-mafia-uk-drugs-crime.
That's some factor surely.

It even puts another group/ideology (the religion of peace) with their 300% over-representation of the average prison population in the uk in the shade.

malinheader

topper75 wrote: »

Possibly yes, but why engage with abuse of the asylum system instead of seeking a regular work visa if they have skills we need. Doesn't add up, unless by work you mean traffic jam windscreen washing.

It is worth noting that these guys in particular have now outstripped the Syrians if you don't mind with claims in Ireland. There is no war in the country oddly.

Why would they seek out a work Visa. The asylum route is better. You get fed, clothed, health care, shelter and heat and even a bit of pocket money why your sussing things out.

Wibbs

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

At this stage, I'm convinced you are on one long wind up.

Well Albanians present a problem to the multiculturalist acolytes; they're as White as we are. So having the oul racism dig, indirectly or overtly, by way of "argument" doesn't exactly work. One last arrow in their scant quiver.

Plus while Albania is poor enough by European standards it's a growing economy, with a free health service, education and other social safety nets. Not unlike Romania most of the ones coming here are not their best by any means, hence the vast majority get fecked out if they do go through the proper channels.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its irrelevant if they are feckless or not. If they work, they are working illegally.

It is completely relevant to your stated belief, which is they are all here or trying to get in here for Welfare

I'm simply asking you how do you know this and what are you basing it on.

My personal experience of Eastern Europeans is they are all hard working people who just want to get on with life - like the rest of us, admittedly I only know one Albanian.

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Why do you think thery're all Saints?

Where did I say I think they are?

malinheader

Cordell wrote: »

This time I fully agree, simply cutting the dole is not the viable solution. And I don't have a solution meself
But the point that it's too generous still stands.

I agree cutting the dole is not the solution but Also giving someone the dole from leaving school to retirement is also definitely not a solution. Big changes needed.

Boggles

malinheader wrote: »

Why would they seek out a work Visa. The asylum route is better.

The asylum route is the hardest way to get into most countries. Take the Syrians out of the equation and we have a rejection rate of around 90%. Albanians are around 95% plus with a large portion never getting through the airport, because Albanian is deemed a "safe country" so different rules apply.

Again the vast vast majority of illegals are over stayers.

If you want to remain in a country illegally do not claim asylum, try get a visa and overstay is the best chance they have.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/Local_Guy2/status/1174514794994569216

Boggles

TV poll?

Well that is just as good as science isn't it.

malinheader

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Local_Guy2/status/1174514794994569216

Something we all know. Still 5% with there Head in the sand

Boggles

malinheader wrote: »

Something we all know. Still 5% with there Head in the sand

Or 95% of little Englanders sitting at home with nothing else to do but vote into TV Polls.

malinheader

Boggles wrote: »

Or 95% of little Englanders sitting at home with nothing else to do but vote into TV Polls.

Or perhaps just ordinary people who are sick of the way their country is being destroyed

suicide_circus

multiculturalism, in so far as it increases the amount of cultures within a state, is a success.

multiculturalism, in so far as it creates a blend of cultures, is not a success. People largely stick with their own - especially those who espouse the virtues of multiculturalism.

Boggles

malinheader wrote: »

Or perhaps just ordinary people who are sick of the way their country is being destroyed

It's not been destroyed by Europe.

As was posted yesterday European immigrants were the only net benefactors to the UK.

If only they stuck that on the side of a bus.

The hilarious irony being old Blighty will have to further tap the former colonies to make up in the shortfall.

Something they always had control of.

Not my opinion by the way, the opinion of their own home office.

suicide_circus

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Local_Guy2/status/1174514794994569216

what tv show is that from? is that owen jones i see?

Sand

Boggles wrote: »

TV poll?

Well that is just as good as science isn't it.

Well, European governments will never allow that question to be put to a referendum. So TV poll is what we got.

It does align with pretty much all polling on the subject. Back in 2017 a Chatham House polling across 10 European countries found that a majority of Europeans surveyed (10,000) supported a Trump style ban on further Muslim immigration to Europe. Mass migration, multiculturalism etc - it has has always been imposed top-down.

alastair wrote: »

Once again - a war is not a prerequisite for claiming asylum. Successful asylum seekers may well remain here permanently. They are entitled to.

The point is that they should not be entitled to remain here permanently. Once the conditions which they are fleeing have sufficiently abated, they should return home. In Germany there was a report where it became apparent that Syrians granted asylum in Germany were taking holidays....back in Syria.

Boggles

Sand wrote: »

Well, European governments will never allow that question to be put to a referendum. So TV poll is what we got.

It does align with pretty much all polling on the subject. Back in 2017 a Chatham House polling across 10 European countries found that a majority of Europeans surveyed (10,000) supported a Trump style ban on further Muslim immigration to Europe. Mass migration, multiculturalism etc - it has has always been imposed top-down.

All polling or just one poll you managed to find online?

Anti muslim sentiment in 2017 was still pretty high given the attacks, so it's hardly surprising.

The only poll that counts though is a general election, plenty parties now banging the fear drum. Lets see how they do going forward.

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You are beginning to sound like Angela Merkel and her plan to bring millions of migrants to Germany.

There is a limit to what we can cope with.

We have seen the types of issues starting to build in most western European countries because of too much migration.

By all means help migrants from warzones but only a number that is sustainable.

We're underpopulated. Have been for 170 years.

Reaction to refugees became an issue after the financial crisis of 2008. A handy distraction for politicians and bankers to avoid the focus on themselves. The intake of refugees from Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Iran, Sri Lanka, etc was not an enormous issue before then.

Seathrun66

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would asylum seeker be here long term?? When did seeking asylum mean an unlimited visa? No war lasts forever.

Some will return. Some will make homes here due to family/school/other ties here that make it difficult to return.

A Syrian that came here at the onset of the war in 2011, married an Irish national and had kids that are now at school here won't wish to return there whenever the war end. Take into account also how long the rebuilding will take and how many have lost their physical homes. Were the civil war to end today it would still take years for most refugees to have a viable return.

Seathrun66

Geuze wrote: »

Nearly half the population are on welfare.

If that isn't a welfare state, what is?

Accurate when you include pensions, carers allowance and those receiving child benefit.

Absurd when you don't. 4.75 million population. 399,000 on jobseekers, disability or invalidity allowances (2018 Irish Examiner figures). 8.33% of the population. And if my family members or pals get sick, are made redundant or have a major accident I hope they're taken care of. They, and I, have contributed enough in taxation to ensure that happens.

jackboy

Seathrun66 wrote: »

We're underpopulated. Have been for 170 years.

What ever about the migrant discussion this is not true. We are not underpopulated. Why do people keep implying that the pre famine population was optimal for the country.

Seathrun66

jackboy wrote: »

What ever about the migrant discussion this is not true. We are not underpopulated. Why do people keep implying that the pre famine population was optimal for the country.

The space is there.

suicide_circus

Seathrun66 wrote: »

The space is there.

so it must be filled? the space is in areas with good clean air and no services.

eagle eye

A mole fav is we are a nation of whingers, moaners and cowards.
If we don't like something we whinge and moan but we won't stand up and be counted and fight for or against something.
The media are telling us how we should think, I thought their job was to report news.
We all heard the comments of Grealish at the meeting in Oughterard but it wasn't reported that he was asked to withdraw his comments by many others at the meeting. The people who went marching were likened to the French yellow vests by the media which is absolutely ludicrous.
Realistically protests won't do anything, the Government won't listen. It'll take something like what happened in Rooskey to prevent those refugees or asylum seekers from taking up residence in Oughterard.

jmreire

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Some will return. Some will make homes here due to family/school/other ties here that make it difficult to return.

A Syrian that came here at the onset of the war in 2011, married an Irish national and had kids that are now at school here won't wish to return there whenever the war end. Take into account also how long the rebuilding will take and how many have lost their physical homes. Were the civil war to end today it would still take years for most refugees to have a viable return.

Even if they wanted to return to Syria, many will never be able to go back, even if the infrastructure was there,at least while the Assad Regime is in power.

Seathrun66

suicide_circus wrote: »

so it must be filled? the space is in areas with good clean air and no services.

Build up. Not out.

Mr. teddywinkles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

5.5% to 94.5% isn't exactly a great start now is it.

It's still a huge number in front of the genuine ones fleeing war. People fleeing wars should come first. End of.

What exactly are they fleeing. Crime n punishment I'd say.

TeaBagMania

eagle eye wrote: »

Realistically protests won't do anything, the Government won't listen.

and thats why ireland needs a 2nd amendment.

the gov. is there for the peolpe, not the other way around

suicide_circus

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Build up. Not out.

Boggles

eagle eye wrote: »

Realistically protests won't do anything, the Government won't listen.

The mass protest against the cash grab that was Irish Water says you are incorrect.