oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

Seathrun66

BumperD wrote: »

Good god. There is a special needs school, St Joseph’s, next door to educate together.

That’s right, a special needs school.

You are confused or more likely, spreading more nonsense. I rest my case, you have no clue what you’re talking about and I’m beginning to think you live “next door” ie In Donegal or the moon for that matter as you certainly don’t know Galway. Have a good night.

Don't divert with sidetracking responses. Am in the city on the N59 road to Oughterard/Clifden.

So, if you please, follow up on the schools that you claim are more than 50% African. You've seen the census figures so tell me how that mathematically works.

Gatling

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Final point. Census figures 2016.
Galway City population - 76,953
Black or Black Irish - 2,373 (3.08% of the city population).

That 3% includes those from a Caribbean or South American (prominently black Brazilians) background alongside those born in Ireland. Many also resident international students.

But just for arguments sake, say that the entire 3% are from Africa. How then are they to make up over 50% of the intake at two (or more according to the poster) Galway schools?

According to the census figures suggest just over 980 of people living in the whole county of Galway are from Africa
(How you claimed 50% of enrollment of Africans was possible in a school when the population is quite small)

didn't do your homework did you

The figures released by the Central Statistics Office in the ‘Migration and Diversity’ report show that on Census Night 2016, 18.6% of Galway City’s population were non-Irish nationals, with a figure of 8.4% in the county.

In the State overall, non-Irish nationals account for 11.6% of the population.

A breakdown of the figures shows that in Galway City, 13,620 are non-nationals, with the largest group being Polish at 3,872, followed by the UK at 1,415.

A total of 2,529 had arrived in the year to April 2016, with 78.5% (1,984) born outside Ireland.

For the county, there are 14,939 non-nationals, the biggest group being 4,654 from the UK, followed by Polish at 3,631.

According to the report, almost half of non-Irish nationals resident in the county were either Polish (7,503) or UK (6,069) nationals. Lithuanian, Brazilian and United States nationals completed the Top Five non-Irish nationalities, and accounted for 12% of all non-Irish nationals.

“Gort, with a population of 2,951, had a non-Irish population of 785 (26.6%), just over half of whom were Brazilians. Of the ten towns (of 1,500 or higher population) with the highest percentage of non-Irish nationals, Gort was ranked ninth.

“In the year prior to Census 2016, some 4,621 people moved into the county, an increase of 1,484 (47.3%) on the year prior to the census in 2011. Of these, 3,248 (70.3%) were born outside of the country,” the report reads.

https://connachttribune.ie/galway-city-irelands-capital-multi-culture-077/

Boggles

Sand wrote: »

But you acknowledge you are prioritising legalistic obligations, over what is best for the Irish people? If we see bad laws, we should reform them

Jesus Christ.

I didn't make the laws nor is it in my remit to reform them.

This isn't very hard to follow TBF.

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote: »

814

Crime rates in Galway, Ireland

Level of crime

28.03 LowCrime increasing in the past 3 years

57.46 ModerateWorries home broken and things stolen

30.97 LowWorries being mugged or robbed

21.54 LowWorries car stolen

19.40 Very LowWorries things from car stolen

32.46 LowWorries attacked

27.61 LowWorries being insulted

33.96 LowWorries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin colour, ethnic origin or religion

15.30 Very LowProblem people using or dealing drugs

43.66 ModerateProblem property crimes such as vandalism and theft

39.93 LowProblem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery

22.76 LowProblem corruption and bribery

29.30 Low Safety in Galway, Ireland

Safety walking alone during daylight

90.67 Very HighSafety walking alone during night

63.06 High
Contributors: 68
Last update: August 2019
These data are based on perceptions of visitors of this website in the past 3 years. If the value is 0, it means it is perceived as very low, and if the value is 100, it means it is perceived as very high.


That's a copy and paste of the survey. It says contributors 68. Can you highlight where it is based on the opinion of 814 contributors?

Boggles

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Nevermind here, she's no longer a popular figure even in her native Germany lol. Following her devastating defeat in Berlin state elections.

The CDU remained the 2nd largest party.

Seathrun66

Gatling wrote: »

According to the census figures suggest just over 980 of people living in the whole county of Galway are from Africa
(How you claimed 50% of enrollment of Africans was possible in a school when the population is quite small)

didn't do your homework did you

The figures released by the Central Statistics Office in the ‘Migration and Diversity’ report show that on Census Night 2016, 18.6% of Galway City’s population were non-Irish nationals, with a figure of 8.4% in the county.

In the State overall, non-Irish nationals account for 11.6% of the population.

A breakdown of the figures shows that in Galway City, 13,620 are non-nationals, with the largest group being Polish at 3,872, followed by the UK at 1,415.

A total of 2,529 had arrived in the year to April 2016, with 78.5% (1,984) born outside Ireland.

For the county, there are 14,939 non-nationals, the biggest group being 4,654 from the UK, followed by Polish at 3,631.

According to the report, almost half of non-Irish nationals resident in the county were either Polish (7,503) or UK (6,069) nationals. Lithuanian, Brazilian and United States nationals completed the Top Five non-Irish nationalities, and accounted for 12% of all non-Irish nationals.

“Gort, with a population of 2,951, had a non-Irish population of 785 (26.6%), just over half of whom were Brazilians. Of the ten towns (of 1,500 or higher population) with the highest percentage of non-Irish nationals, Gort was ranked ninth.

“In the year prior to Census 2016, some 4,621 people moved into the county, an increase of 1,484 (47.3%) on the year prior to the census in 2011. Of these, 3,248 (70.3%) were born outside of the country,” the report reads.

https://connachttribune.ie/galway-city-irelands-capital-multi-culture-077/

Same census figures as mine. 2016.

And 980 people from Africa in the whole of the county yet a poster here claiming two (or more) schools in Galway City have more than 50% African pupils. As the Yanks say - Go Figure.

ToBeFrank123

Wibbs wrote: »

No matter, they'll be ignored, as they were in Lisdoonvarna.

From the Irish Times article posted above:

"As in Oughterard, locals learned about the plan through rumour and word of mouth. When a vote was taken at a public meeting in the town in February 2018, on whether the people would accept a reception centre, the result was 197 against and 15 in favour. But the hotel subsequently opened to women and children seeking asylum". They neglected to report that both the local authorities and hotelier in Lisdoonvarna publicly stated that they wouldn't go against the townspeople's vote.

Before the vote, Mr White said he would abide by the locals’ decision: “If the village is not able to accommodate 115 people, so be it. I’m not going to do something to hurt this town.”

But it was a fait accompli as it turned out regardless of the local democratic vote of nay.

Responding, the RIA said the Department for Justice had agreed a year-long contract with the hotelier which “should not put an undue strain on existing resources and services” in the village.

Oh and that year long contract gave a handy 1.24 million euro to the same Mr White of Lisdoonvarna. Nice work if you can get it. Oh and on that topic the payouts are worth a look:

Much attention was also given to the arrival of a group of Syrian refugees at the Abbeyfield Hotel at Ballaghaderreen in Co Roscommon, and the figures show that the owner of the hotel, Next Week & Co, received payments of €3.16 million in 2018.

Along with Mosney Holidays , one other business received payments of more than €7 million last year. Alan Hyde’s Barlow Group received fees of €7.5 million for accommodating asylum seekers in Cork and Waterford.

Millstreet Equestrian Services – which provides accommodation for more than 500 asylum seekers in Cork and Waterford – received payments of €6.53 million. Between 2000 and 2018, the company received a total of €82.5 million in fees from the State.

Aramark’s Campbell Catering last year received €5.89 million for operating State-owned direct provision centres at in Co Clare, Co Cork and Co Meath where over 825 asylum seekers are accommodated.
Ballyhaunis centre

Bridgestock caters for about 500 asylum seekers in Ballyhaunis, Co Mayo, and Sligo town. The €5.8 million it received last year brings to €97 million the firm has received in payments between 2000 and 2018.

Fazyard, which operates the largest direct provision centre in the capital, Clondalkin Towers Hotel, last year received €5.5 million.

East Coast Catering, which accommodates about 600 asylum seekers in Dublin and Louth, last year received €4.4 million.

Maplestar, which accommodates 200 asylum seekers at the Eglington hotel at Salthill, Galway, received €3 million in payments.

That's a lot of millions. Over 200 million euro of a lot. With that kinda cash up for grabs is it any wonder local concerns are handily brushed under the oul carpet?

Note too in the earlier quoted article how vague the reports are and the school principles are not available for comment, but "people" say the kids have had a wonderful impact. The only other locals mentioned are the elderly Christy and Peggy and the latter states that they weren't listened to and it went ahead anyway and that it caused division, but overall it's nothing to see here.

NB all the above are Irish Times links too as this outlet is apparently "acceptable" and unlikely to be "putinist".

They should be building new centres on publicly owned land rather than throwing away dead money on rent. There's substantial profiteering going on here.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They should be building new centres on publicly owned land rather than throwing away dead money on rent. There's substantial profiteering going on here.

I thought you wanted to force people to sell houses?

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

A small number of families in each town spread out across the country, with help and assistance from local communities and volunteers. That is the way to go. There are tens of thousands of vacant houses across the country that should be CPO's for this.

Also rent isn't dead money.

alastair

Sand wrote: »

But you acknowledge you are prioritising legalistic obligations, over what is best for the Irish people? If we see bad laws, we should reform them. You're not interested in doing so because its convenient to whatever your actual priority is.

And we are all going to be replaced Boggles. Even you. Plenty of supposedly irreplaceable people in graveyards all over the world. The only question is what we hand over to future generations.

Load of bollocks. The population, sans immigrant figures, is growing here. Nobody is being ‘replaced’. Wise up.

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

Crime rates in Galway, Ireland

Level of crime

28.03 LowCrime increasing in the past 3 years

57.46 ModerateWorries home broken and things stolen

30.97 LowWorries being mugged or robbed

21.54 LowWorries car stolen

19.40 Very LowWorries things from car stolen

32.46 LowWorries attacked

27.61 LowWorries being insulted

33.96 LowWorries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin colour, ethnic origin or religion

15.30 Very LowProblem people using or dealing drugs

43.66 ModerateProblem property crimes such as vandalism and theft

39.93 LowProblem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery

22.76 LowProblem corruption and bribery

29.30 Low Safety in Galway, Ireland

Safety walking alone during daylight

90.67 Very HighSafety walking alone during night

63.06 High
Contributors: 68
Last update: August 2019
These data are based on perceptions of visitors of this website in the past 3 years. If the value is 0, it means it is perceived as very low, and if the value is 100, it means it is perceived as very high.


That's a copy and paste of the survey. It says contributors 68. Can you highlight where it is based on the opinion of 814 contributors?

Scroll down. 814 in past 18 months.

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They should be building new centres on publicly owned land rather than throwing away dead money on rent. There's substantial profiteering going on here.

Fully agree. As will most, if not all here.

ToBeFrank123

Boggles wrote: »

Also rent isn't dead money.

Only someone with a financial interest in leasing out DPCs or related to someone doing the same, would come out with something like that.

Bullocks

Can the Oughterard people keep up their protest unhindered? There was a bigger crowd their this morning than yesterday.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Only someone with a financial interest in leasing out DPCs or related to someone doing the same, would come out with something like that.

Or someone that isn't a clinic moron.

Topgear on Dave

Bullocks wrote: »

Can the Oughterard people keep up their protest unhindered? There was a bigger crowd their this morning than yesterday.

The attention these folks are getting is interesting, it is VERY COMMON for people to object to large changes to their community..
There was an announcement of social housing getting built in my small rural home town last year and there was a public meeting to discuss it straight away. National media attention: Zero

I also see a labour councillor objecting to apartments getting built in Dundrum in Dublin because they are all rentals. (Perhaps he has not heard of the shortage of rentals:rolleyes:)

Build the apartments and stick all the asylum seekers in Dundrum I say. I want to see his reaction.

ToBeFrank123

Boggles wrote: »

Or someone that isn't a clinic moron.

What on earth is a clinic moron? That's a new one on me!

The fact you don't understand rent equals dead money says it all really.

ToBeFrank123

The average asylum seeker (Syrian exempted) overstayed their visa and then made up some bullsh*t claim about being persecuted back home, came here illegally without registering in the first country they came through or came here via the UK where they were denied asylum. They shouldn't be here, their claims shouldn't even be entertained. First flight or boat out of the country. We shouldn't be paying private landlords and former hotel owners to house them.

galwayllm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

What on earth is a clinic moron? That's a new one on me!

The fact you don't understand rent equals dead money says it all really.

French and Germans would disagree with you there!

Topgear on Dave

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

What on earth is a clinic moron? That's a new one on me!

The fact you don't understand rent equals dead money says it all really.

Rent is not dead money.

"Rent is dead money" is an overly simplistic and stupid phrase that I'd like to see banned. It landed a large number of my friends in large and inescapable mortgage debt.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The fact you don't understand rent equals dead money says it all really.

I understand it perfectly, it's an absolute nonsense.

It was a term pushed by sneaky Real Estate Agents in the "good times" to sell houses.

If you rent something you get something in value back. It's not "dead money". No more when you rent a car, or a company rents it's fleet.

Now you might have had an argument if you said renting may be more expensive, but considering your plan is to force-ably buy up houses all around the country and build DPs from scratch, with the added costs of running, upgrading and maintaining them.

Without seen costings for these I couldn't tell you.

But no renting is not dead money and in certain circumstances can actually be better and cheaper in the long run.

mynamejeff

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

What on earth is a clinic moron? That's a new one on me!

The fact you don't understand rent equals dead money says it all really.

here you go

In the obsolete medical classification these people (morons and feeble-minded) were said to have "mild mental retardation", "mild mental subnormality" or "high-grade defect" with IQ 50–70.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)

ToBeFrank123

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Rent is not dead money.

"Rent is dead money" is an overly simplistic and stupid phrase that I'd like to see banned. It landed a large number of my friends in large and inescapable mortgage debt.

You can call it anything you like.

If you rent somewhere for 30 years you still don't own it at the end and can be turfed out on the street.

If you pay a mortgage for 30 years, you will eventually own your own home.

enricoh

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The average asylum seeker (Syrian exempted) overstayed their visa and then made up some bullsh*t claim about being persecuted back home, came here illegally without registering in the first country they came through or came here via the UK where they were denied asylum. They shouldn't be here, their claims shouldn't even be entertained. First flight or boat out of the country. We shouldn't be paying private landlords and former hotel owners to house them.

Too many snouts in the trough for that, quangos, taxpayer funded homeless charities, housing charities etc etc.
1 in 5 in dublin homeless list is non eu now, 1 in 3 non irish n those percentages are rising. God only knoes what its costing the taxpayer

alastair

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The average asylum seeker (Syrian exempted) overstayed their visa and then made up some bullsh*t claim about being persecuted back home, came here illegally without registering in the first country they came through or came here via the UK where they were denied asylum. They shouldn't be here, their claims shouldn't even be entertained. First flight or boat out of the country. We shouldn't be paying private landlords and former hotel owners to house them.

Asylum seekers are not visa over-stayers.
Asylum seekers are under no obligation to make their claim in a first safe country. There’s nothing illegal with making a claim here, having travelled through other safe countries.
No asylum seeker denied a claim (or even starting a claim process) in the UK or any other EU country will be able to make a claim here. The EU system is integrated and fingerprints are taken at the start of the process.

Boggles

enricoh wrote: »

1 in 5 in dublin homeless list is non eu now

A link for that in your own good time my good man.

Topgear on Dave

alastair wrote: »

No asylum seeker denied a claim (or even starting a claim process) in the UK or any other EU country will be able to make a claim here.

Isn't that what Ellie Kisyombe did?

alastair

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Isn't that what Ellie Kisyombe did?

Nope. She tried to start a claim in the UK having been registered here. Her claim was referred back to here.

4068ac1elhodqr

Boggles wrote: »

A link for that in your own good time my good man.

Thought this was common knowledge by now (depending on exact wording to nitpick at e.g. new, families).

The Dublin Regional Homeless Executive says that of the new families presenting as homeless, 21% were non-EU nationals.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/21-of-dublins-homeless-in-emergency-accommodation-are-from-outside-eu-914651.html

Which is even higher than the 12% from other actual EU countries. Irish thus only 67%.

Topgear on Dave

alastair wrote: »

Nope. She tried to start a claim in the UK having been registered here. Her claim was referred back to here.

Sorry, hers is a confusing story and i was trying to make sense of it.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ellie-kisyombe-direct-provision-dublin-4619870-May2019/

"The newspaper outlined how she first arrived in Ireland on a student visa in 2011, before travelling to the UK where she then applied for asylum. The articles states that she then applied for asylum in Ireland before being arrested in the UK in 2014 suspicion of illegal entry. "

alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Thought this was common knowledge by now (depending on exact wording to nitpick at e.g. new, families).


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/21-of-dublins-homeless-in-emergency-accommodation-are-from-outside-eu-914651.html

Which is even higher than the 12% from other actual EU countries. Irish thus only 67%.

You understand that ‘new family families presenting as homeless in Dublin’ is only a subset of ‘Dublin homeless’?

The last figures I saw had non-nationals (including EU nationals) as 15% of dublin’s homeless population.