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Seathrun66

Gatling wrote: »

A total of 9,197 deportation orders have been made since 2011 while only one in five of those who received these orders – 1,857 people – have been deported from Ireland.

And how many have left voluntarily?

Edit - already answered by Boggles as Gatling deliberately neglecting to answer.

eagle eye

You are talking stats here. This is about a small town which doesn't have the resources to deal with a large influx of people.
No Garda station, no school spaces, no pavement from the town to the proposed centre. Their parish priest retired and they have one very old priest now, I'm not religious btw. A traveller with over 200 criminal convictions was housed there a few months ago. He is still there. They've had enough.

Boggles

eagle eye wrote: »

Their parish priest retired and they have one very old priest now

How old?

Anyway.

Priest urges community to 'welcome those in need of refuge' amid protests against possible direct provision centre

Demonized in 1.......2..........

creeper1

Whether it’s Higgins or a priest I come back to the facts on the matter

https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics

They don’t need “international protection “ in most cases and STOP guilt tripping us for our existence.

Seathrun66

eagle eye wrote: »

You are talking stats here. This is about a small town which doesn't have the resources to deal with a large influx of people.
No Garda station, no school spaces, no pavement from the town to the proposed centre. Their parish priest retired and they have one very old priest now, I'm not religious btw. A traveller with over 200 criminal convictions was housed there a few months ago. He is still there. They've had enough.

Talking about resources without stats is futile. The town will receive funding for school places and infrastructure. Other posters have commented on planning for a new estate being granted without any objection regarding the increase in population that would bring.

Satellite towns near Galway are all going to greatly enlarge in the next few decades.

Seathrun66

Boggles wrote: »

How old?

Anyway.

Priest urges community to 'welcome those in need of refuge' amid protests against possible direct provision centre

Demonized in 1.......2..........

Love it.

Wibbling wonder

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Talking about resources without stats is futile. The town will receive funding for school places and infrastructure. Other posters have commented on planning for a new estate being granted without any objection regarding the increase in population that would bring.

Satellite towns near Galway are all going to greatly enlarge in the next few decades.

Planning wasn't granted for the new estate. The local authority announced their intentions but they are only that at the moment. As I've referenced before, An Bord Pleanala recently rejected a planning application for 13 local authority houses in the village on 3 grounds 2 of which referenced a lack of infrastructure and services and the other proximity and potential effect on the SAC.

The_Kew_Tour

Why do the always pick these Right Wing, Racist, Fascist towns to house these people?

Why can't they house them next to all the people who want them. Amazing isn't it. Something so simple, yet seems be impossible to do

WB Yokes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Why do the always pick these Right Wing, Racist, Fascist towns to house these people?

Why can't they house them next to all the people who want them. Amazing isn't it. Something so simple, yet seems be impossible to do

Truth be told, no one wants to live near a direct plantation centre.

ShamNNspace

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Why do the always pick these Right Wing, Racist, Fascist towns to house these people?

Why can't they house them next to all the people who want them. Amazing isn't it. Something so simple, yet seems be impossible to do

One would imagine they would be a perfect fit

Eric Cartman

ShamNNspace wrote: »

One would imagine they would be a perfect fit

the only people who want them there live in parts of south Dublin too expensive to build or buy anywhere to put them

a direct provision centre on the green las line might enlighten these people to the reality though.

Patrick2010

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the only people who want them there live in parts of south Dublin too expensive to build or buy anywhere to put them

a direct provision centre on the green las line might enlighten these people to the reality though.

I see Michael D has made his usual speech about how we have to be welcoming to migrants, our history of emigration and that there is no link it affects jobs or housing lists

Seathrun66

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the only people who want them there live in parts of south Dublin too expensive to build or buy anywhere to put them

a direct provision centre on the green las line might enlighten these people to the reality though.

Am in Galway and happy to have another DPC here. Wish the Warwick Hotel had been converted for that use instead of a nursing home. Same applies to the Westwood Hotel in Dangan which is being rebuilt as student accommodation.

Both better options than Oughterard, but extremely expensive for the exchequer and the government would get hammered for the cost.

Alastair stated that he lives in inner city north Dublin and you can ask other posters where they're based but none from leafy south Dublin thus far.

Eric Cartman

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Am in Galway and happy to have another DPC here. Wish the Warwick Hotel had been converted for that use instead of a nursing home. Same applies to the Westwood Hotel in Dangan which is being rebuilt as student accommodation.

Both better options than Oughterard, but extremely expensive for the exchequer and the government would get hammered for the cost.

Alastair stated that he lives in inner city north Dublin and you can ask other posters where they're based but none from leaft south Dublin thus far.

going to take it you're living near Galway city too. I suppose considering how our cities are full of crime anyway its nothing new, to the people of oughterard it certainly will be.

Seathrun66

Eric Cartman wrote: »

going to take it you're living near Galway city too. I suppose considering how our cities are full of crime anyway its nothing new, to the people of oughterard it certainly will be.

Not so in Galway. From two months ago:

https://connachttribune.ie/crime-rate-in-galway-drops-by-10-percent-600/

Patrick2010

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Am in Galway and happy to have another DPC here. Wish the Warwick Hotel had been converted for that use instead of a nursing home. Same applies to the Westwood Hotel in Dangan which is being rebuilt as student accommodation.

Both better options than Oughterard, but extremely expensive for the exchequer and the government would get hammered for the cost.

Alastair stated that he lives in inner city north Dublin and you can ask other posters where they're based but none from leafy south Dublin thus far.

Why would you prefer the government to build accommodation for people just arrived in the country rather than accommodation for people who have lived here all their life especially senior citizens who have contributed all their life.

eagle eye

Seathrun66 wrote:

Love it.

Still here I see, haven't stopped posting yet. Did you get to talk to a Garda yet? I suppose you'll have the same view when he tells you about the gang. You'll say he couldn't tell you how man were in it or something ridiculous like that to try and prevent us from calling you a liar.

Eric Cartman

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Why would you prefer the government to build accommodation for people just arrived in the country rather than accommodation for people who have lived here all their life especially senior citizens who have contributed all their life.

its about optics, the only thing these people have ever seen of Syrians is the friendly guy who works in the kebab shop in a nice part of town etc... however they've seen a scrounger or 2 on the dole and know it can get messy, so the migrants take priority in their head because its all going to be sunshine and rainbows. Thats why I think these people should have to see the reality.

Seathrun66

Eric Cartman wrote: »

going to take it you're living near Galway city too. I suppose considering how our cities are full of crime anyway its nothing new, to the people of oughterard it certainly will be.

From the Irish Examiner. Pay particular attention to the second paragraph - Galway the only county with a major urban centre to fall into the lower half of the crime rankings.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/crime/crimebycounty/galway/

Seathrun66

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Why would you prefer the government to build accommodation for people just arrived in the country rather than accommodation for people who have lived here all their life especially senior citizens who have contributed all their life.

No shortage of nursing homes. It's a tidy business.

JohnMc1

Boggles wrote: »

How old?

Anyway.

Priest urges community to 'welcome those in need of refuge' amid protests against possible direct provision centre

Demonized in 1.......2..........

The parish priest here in Kilkenny was virtue signalling to the papers over the mosque last year. Calling everybody who was against it racist [the usual "I can't defend my policies so I'll just name call like child" Plus last Christmas during Advent went on a Pro refugee and pro Sharia spiel [referred to them as Angels sent from Heaven and should we follow the laws of God or the Laws of Man] So I sent him a letter stating that if he believes that they are Angels sent from heaven then he and the other priests should have no problems letting them live with them. They kept their mouth shut ever since [the dwindling collection plates probably sent the message to STFU as well. Plus one of the local journalists saying he had dirt on the local priest and he would reveal it if he kept his tirades up.

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote:

Not so in Galway. From two months ago:

So still plenty of crime. Just less crime. And some serious jumps in certain crimes. I don't think a three month snap shot is much of a reflection of the overall picture either. Agree with your other point these centres should be in the city. Or a lot closer to the city. Bushy Park or the likes.

Seathrun66

eagle eye wrote: »

Still here I see, haven't stopped posting yet. Did you get to talk to a Garda yet? I suppose you'll have the same view when he tells you about the gang. You'll say he couldn't tell you how man were in it or something ridiculous like that to try and prevent us from calling you a liar.

Still on about the mythical gang terrorising the city? The gang the press and locals know nothing about. That same gang of crazy outlaws?

So under the radar than only a privileged few know of their existence. Why not sell the inside scoop to the Mail or Star, lots of back-clapping and cash heading your way?

Seathrun66

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The parish priest here in Kilkenny was virtue signalling to the papers over the mosque last year. Calling everybody who was against it racist [the usual "I can't defend my policies so I'll just name call like child" Plus last Christmas during Advent went on a Pro refugee and pro Sharia spiel [referred to them as Angels sent from Heaven and should we follow the laws of God or the Laws of Man] So I sent him a letter stating that if he believes that they are Angels sent from heaven then he and the other priests should have no problems letting them live with them. They kept their mouth shut ever since [the dwindling collection plates probably sent the message to STFU as well. Plus one of the local journalists saying he had dirt on the local priest and he would reveal it if he kept his tirades up.

No shortage of gossiping ninnies on this thread.

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

So still plenty of crime. Just less crime. And some serious jumps in certain crimes. I don't think a three month snap shot is much of a reflection of the overall picture either. Agree with your other point these centres should be in the city. Or a lot closer to the city. Bushy Park or the likes.

So an urban centre in a county with low crime in a country with a low crime rate is high crime to you. Nope, that's inaccurate.

11th lowest homicide rate of the 51 countries in Europe.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ireland-has-11th-lowest-homicide-rate-in-europe-un-report-1.3956453?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fireland-has-11th-lowest-homicide-rate-in-europe-un-report-1.3956453

Patrick2010

Seathrun66 wrote: »

No shortage of nursing homes. It's a tidy business.

Unlike direct provision centers?

Bullocks

Happyilylost wrote: »

Seathrun66 wrote:

Not so in Galway. From two months ago:

So still plenty of crime. Just less crime. And some serious jumps in certain crimes. I don't think a three month snap shot is much of a reflection of the overall picture either. Agree with your other point these centres should be in the city. Or a lot closer to the city. Bushy Park or the likes.

Bushypark would be much handier for them alright. Footpath all the way into the city. Plenty of land around Dangan could be used for building a hub for them

Seathrun66

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Unlike direct provision centers?

40 DPCs - Irish Times, 13/02/2019
Nursing Homes - over 460 according to Nursing Homes Ireland, the national representative body for NHs.

Seathrun66

Bullocks wrote: »

Bushypark would be much handier for them alright. Footpath all the way into the city. Plenty of land around Dangan could be used for building a hub for them

Plenty of land, only issue would be getting the University to sell it.

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote: »

So an urban centre in a county with low crime in a country with a low crime rate is high crime to you. Nope, that's inaccurate.

11th lowest homicide rate of the 51 countries in Europe.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ireland-has-11th-lowest-homicide-rate-in-europe-un-report-1.3956453?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fireland-has-11th-lowest-homicide-rate-in-europe-un-report-1.3956453

Where did I say high crime? Stop making things up.